Scales Solve the Continuous vs. Discrete Paradox by Ray B Munroe

Dear Dr. Ray,

Thanks for your response.If you need any (you definitely need) clarification,please, inform me.Iam obliged to respond.The paper is surely long, for it has got to be, as in it I have tried to bridge the gap between GR and QM on entirely new concepts and this takes a little bit of time to assimilate them.Merging GR and QM, which leads to the theory of QG, also means formulating a TOE. The theme of the paper is,' by distorting GR how it is made to comply with all the forces of the quantum world'. QM, in the paper, is understood on entirely different grounds as it is to comply with the dictates of QG but is in complete agreement with its current interpretation.So this is an additional 'angle' from which you view QM.

Looking forward to hear more discussion on this.

Regards

Sreenath.

Ray, I just realize an amazing property of the plant world. You'll understand, just now in my garden, I guided a creeper, a clematis. These plants cling to the air with a kind of spiral. Last year, I tour it with a link store-bought. These littlwe chains for plant are recovered with PVC and within a thin metal leash. Ray you know what, these little chains in metal recorved by pvc make the same than the plant,it is crazy! The information is given with this metal link and the contact I think, I su^ppose it's proportional with the r , the nature of the metal and this and that, it's relevant for the biological conductivity ....

regards

Steve

In all case it's bizare I am going to see if it is true or false by a serie of tests. It's interesting if the information is given ...That seems bizare .

For my results of experiments for substratums....all grows in the compost Ray, I have tested on many families of plants...after it's just a check of esternal parameters(H2O,Q,hv,...)Furthermore the natural resistance is increased.The argilo humic complex is fascinating.

Steve

Dear Steve,

Your background is Horticulture - a field that I have never studied. Perhaps the plant is picking up the metal pattern in similar fashion to the replication of DNA? Perhaps you could test that hypothesis?

Have Fun!

Hi Dr Cosmic Ray,

Horticulture is a passion,my background is never finished Ray, we learn all days , it is my reason of life, learning the foundamentals and its pure deterministic rationalities in all centers of interest.The biology shows us the mass and its evolution and its stability.The number of spheres thus is correlated.

The biology and the ecology is fascinating, really, all is in the spherical law.I have tested many many things in this topic.The physics dance in the biology dear Ray. The photosynthesis, the vegetal multiplication and its totipotence, the composting, the substratums, the in vitro(merystem),....biology is so wonderful.

For the test about this hypothesis, I think it's few probable, but it's relevant to see more far.The contact between metal and the vegetal can be interesting for the transfert of informations of polarization ond evolution in a pure toplogical geometry and its rationalities I insist.

For my new equations, I am persuaded it's right Ray, it's logic, these spheres possesse 3 motions mainly , linear, spinal and orbital....of course we can complete with the superimposings of the volumes also the function is analytique. For mvV it's the same logic for this constant, we can extrapolate thus in remplacing m for example with this simple relation. E/(c²o²s²).v1.v2. V =constant thus Ray(v1 vel.spinal,v2 vel.orbital .V volume....we can continue with the others general laws.The mass Ray is fascinating in fact and its evolutive polarity hv/m is so incredible in its pure complexification in 3D.

Now if you cahnge the sense of rotation for the light that explains many things......

ps .....Don't forget Dr Cosmic Ray that this constant is for all real physical spheres , quantics and cosmologicals.

Steve

For Japan if this equation is good , that can help...for the states of light and mass ...see the the radioactive particles.If all is under these equations, we can, betyter understand the mass and the light and its comportments.The aim is the neutralization in fact of theses emissions if we can check these 3 motions, we can check its comportments it's logic at my humble opinion.Now of course the magnetic fields are probably correlated with the volumes of the pure entanglement and their rotations implying rule of complemenatrity. The reactor has accumulated light and it rejects simply the radiations but unfortunally the velocities have changed due to gravity......it's for the future I think, at this momment the best is the cooling and the isolation of the reactor...best solution ....all countries must helps and all experts quickly.Each second is important.I don't understand how it's possible.

Regards

Steve

Ray!

Look what I just found! I just discovered that Descartes had been toying with the very same ideas about Archimedes screws in 1644, and was one of the very first to draw the field lines of a magnet using this methodology.

It implies that the atomic nucleus dipole emits both gravitons and anti-gravitons and that all modern physics based on Newton's equation are simple incorrect, despite Einstein's attempt to rectify the situation (he just made it worse in fact, oh dear(!)).Attachment #1: 1_Descartes_magnetic_field.jpg

I've done a quick doodle which shows how the gravitons/anti-gravitons should have been travelling in straight lines and that it's the combination of the forces which gives the resultant field lines seen in iron filings.Attachment #1: 2_Simple_Dipole.jpgAttachment #2: 2_Simple_Dipole_Magnet.jpg

Hi Alan,

You are in good Philosophical company with Archimedes and Descartes. I also have ideas as to how an Archimedes screw (or twisted rope) may be modeled. I see at least a couple of interesting questions:

1) At first, I worried about the idea of "anti-gravitons", but the Weak force has W bosons and their anti-particles the W-. Perhaps we have photons (the attractive nature of Electrostatics?) and anti-photons (the repulsive nature of Electrostatics?) that perfectly cancel each other out - perhaps due to conservation of electric charges and currents.

We cannot separate these natures out in magnetic applications because magnetism requires movement of both photons and anti-photons, therefore a magnetic monople is a twistor-like hybrid of a photon and anti-photon.

Somehow anti-gravitons (the repulsive naure of gravity?) do NOT perfectly cancel out gravitons (the attractive nature of gravity?), and thus gravity is weakly attractive. It is odd that any "non-conservation of gravitational charges and/or currents" may be of order 10^(-40). IMHO, this requires a Scale for stability because it is mathmatically improbable and philosophically illogical to have fine-tuning on the order of 10^(-40).

2) Your screw threads need to vary in fineness based on the strength of a field. A simple example is the inverse-distance-squared dependance of simple gravitational and electrostatic fields. This variation in thread fineness requires these photons, anti-photons, gravitons, and anti-gravitons to have effective masses (so that longitudinal modes exist that may mix with transverse modes to produce the field equivalent of mechanical "screw threads"), and yet inverse-distance-squared field dependances imply zero rest-mass bosons. Perhaps the answer is Einstein's Mass-Energy Equivalence Principle, whereby a graviton (or anti-graviton or photon or anti-photon) of zero rest mass carries an effective mass due to its energy content (E=h*f for a photon).

I think that these questions are much bigger problems to tackle than how we might model an Archimedes' screw.

Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

Hi Ray,

Yes, I'm pleased to be aligning myself with Archimedes and Descartes, it's a wonderful feeling.

I had the idea that photons/anti-photons are manifestations of graviton/anti-graviton configurations. I don't have an exact picture just yet though. I came to the conclusion that a magnetic monopole wasn't necessary incidentally. I deduced previously that the fine-tuning or 'non-symmetrical' emission of gravitons and anti-gravitons is due to the Mobius twist of a proton (and neutron?) toroid structure. If the toroid is composed of opposite pairs of 'fractal helical threads', then they can we woven in different configurations. This difference will have an effect on the interaction of particle radiation around the junction area. Edwin seemed to like this idea and mentioned that his C-field could be similarly imagined (I think).

I still don't quite understand your use of the phrase "fineness of thread" when talking about gravitons/anti-gravitons. I imagine that gravitons are all pretty much identical with their characteristics being due to their inherent speeds of spin which will all decay at the same rate over time. Photons on the otherhand, being larger structures -would- be able to have a different 'thread fineness', which is just another way of talking about their wavelength.

The inverse-square law needs to be treated carefully imo. The emission of photons from a straight tungsten filament coil is -not- the same in all directions. There's slightly less emission at the two ends in relation to along the length of the coil. This is very relavant to quantum particles where this difference is greatly exaggerated compared to the macroscopic world.

We're almost on the same page I think Ray, which is encouraging. Thanks so much for your input and help. This competition is so much more than I first imagined.

Kind regards,

Alan

Ray Ray Ray well well well ....study the simplicity and after you shall understand the real details.....business VS rationalism.....winner of course ther realism fortunally......the simplicity and the complexity are the same.Sometimee people try to say details of complexity but it's not details of complexity simply.

Don't let lead the system and this sad earth take your mind Ray!!!

Steve

Hi Ray,

Sorry to hear about your unfortunate predicaments last week. Hope the next are better for you.

You say "A courser screw thread transfers longitudinal "change in velocity" faster than a finer thread does." which is interesting point which I had yet to consider. Then you say "But varying field strength requires varying screw threads", but I also see that the flux density of screw threads is more important and could potentially explain all of the variation in field strength perhaps.

I have just modelled the 'threeness' and the toroid helical shape of the protn and neutron. It's a totally mechanical model with the three helical ring donuts interlocked in a dynamic cog configuration. It works extremely well and I'm keen to scan and attach my scribbles showing the structures, but I have to wait until Tuesday when the library opens again.

It will fill in the gaps of my verbal model with much more authority hopefully.

P.S I had the idea of re-scoring the competition with all the low scores upgraded to a respectable 6. This means the top 35 are selected only on their 7 to 10 scores. Sounds fairer to me. What do you think. The 35 already selected can stay eligible for the judging but the new scoring would give a few more for the judges to choose from.

Alan

Hi Alan,

So you would vary the screw density rather than the screw thread...

I think that either approach could yield a reasonable mathematical model, but varying screw density might lead to discontinuous field lines. This is OK where spacetime behaves discretely, but not really appropriate for the regions where spacetime behaves continuously.

On the other hand, continuously varying screw thread could represent a field line (or a string) and a continuous spacetime. The discrete spacetime representation would be the "bolt head" end of the screw - like Lawrence Crowell's and Philip Gibbs' Qubits, and this discrete end of the screw might be spinning (and "twisting" rope) like one of Vladimir Tamari's tetrahedra.

I think I get your 3-twisted rope torus - it sounds similar to some of Peter Jackson's comments on his thread.

So you were "Lord Whats-his-name". Sorry, but I don't read that thread anymore - it is so long that it bogs down my browser. There are a lot of ways to tweak the system so that it might work better (but perhaps a popularity contest can never work perfectly). I liked Philip Gibbs' suggestion of treating it like an "American Idol" or "Survivor" type show whereby people are voted off on a regular basis (say 25 essays every week?), and the votes from those who were voted off are discounted (say they only count as half of a vote) relative to the votes from the "surviving" contestants. This might peak interest in the contest a little longer, and might be a fairer cut in that it is several smaller "finer" cuts rather than one giant "coarse" cut. The Judges seem to have full control over the results now, so it might not much matter how many contestants make the final vote - we could have 35 or 50 essays - it is a greater burden on the Judges and will take longer to get results.

I am still dumb-founded by the fact that someone can fly off the road in a 30 mph (50 kmph) speed zone and hit a truck that was parked in its own driveway and minding its own business...

I still have two other dogs (my 65 pound/ 30 kg mixed pit-bull-lab year-old "puppy" sleeps with my wife and I), and knew that my older dog had been getting weaker for the past few months.

Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

Hi Ray,

I like the idea of a 'head and tail' configuration to the proposed screw-like emissions. It's very similar to advanced programming techniques I seem to remember. It could be more of a 'slinky' like imagery to start with, rather than singular Archimedes screws. Only after the inevitable interactions after emission is the structural helix broken down into smaller discrete units perhaps.

I don't think you have the image of the 'cogs' I mentioned just yet. This is the interconnection of three donut helix rings, mechanically locked together in one respect. The three rings come together in a circle which will lock-up the spins, so to speak, like putting a spanner in the gears of a piece of machinery. This the neutron configuration. The proton is almost the same, but the shape is a 'U' with the two uprights being the same spinning donut rings which have a common direction of graviton emission. Have a quick think and I'll post the pictures tomorrow morning to see whether you were on the same track.

Yes, the blog thread is tiresome to say the least, hence the bit of sillyness on my part. It takes sooo long to be able to post anything..The arguments just continue and continue... like science in all of history I suppose. It's down to the judges now, like you say.

The car accident reminded me of the pick-up truck driver who ploughed into Stephen King (the author) as he walked along the side of the road. Thank heavens it wasn't something as bad as the incident with that drunk driver. Best wishes to your family and dogs,

Alan

Hi Ray,

Here's the doodles of a mechanical protn and neutron I was talking about.Attachment #1: 1_Mechanical_Proton.jpgAttachment #2: 1_Mechanical_Nucleus.jpg

Here's an animation of the dipole fluctuating between direction to the other, which is a part of the dynamics of the proton and will hopefully help with the overall picture of reality.

Hi Alan,

I have to think on it some, but these ideas look wrong to me. With 3 tori, you need 3 different charges (such as red green blue = white) to make these configurations stable - two charges of graviton and anti-graviton won't be sufficient. I was thinking more along the line of a 3-twisted rope that connects with itself on the ends to form a twisted torus.

Have Fun!

Hi Ray,

Okay, it's good that you have a problem with this basic layout. I don't have an indepth knowledge of quark charges or colors and so my models are very abstract still. I have decided to explore the non-twisted torus shapes for a while.

BTW I had the brainwave that an electron -isn't- a particle which circles the nucleus. This is yet another hangover from Newton's equation imo. It makes more sense to me to imagine that the electron orbit is an effect due to the lensing of a base quark, see attached. Why not imagine a proton creating the electron due to it's lens effect, which forms a focus some 35,000 times further away than it's diameter?

AlanAttachment #1: 2_Quark_Lens_Creates_Electron.jpg

Hi Alan,

My experience with physics modeling is that it is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration. Over the years, I have also had a lot of "interesting" ideas, but I think it is safe to say that most didn't work out exactly the way I expected.

I'm also having second thoughts about the twisted torus - it would have chirality. Of course we need chirality, but if a model already has chirality through spinning tetrahedra and/or rope, then it doesn't need a second chirality for the torus. On the other hand, I could see a 3-twisted rope torus yielding 3 colors (and an SU(3) Strong force), and its scaled reciprocal yielding 3 generations (and the CKM and PMNS matrices) - similar to some of Edwin Klingman's ideas and my interpretations of his ideas.

Have Fun!