Author Anton W.M. Biermans wrote on Mar. 1, 2011 @ 03:36 GMT

Dear Dan,

I admit that I haven't understood you essay completely because my knowledge of GR is very limited. I do see that your FPC in some respects is equivalent to a Self-Creating Universe. However, as in a SCU the grand total of everything in it, including space and time itself, remains nil, it cannot have a beginning as a whole, so if with cosmic time you mean the time since the bang,...

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Dear Dan,

I admit that I haven't understood you essay completely because my knowledge of GR is very limited. I do see that your FPC in some respects is equivalent to a Self-Creating Universe. However, as in a SCU the grand total of everything in it, including space and time itself, remains nil, it cannot have a beginning as a whole, so if with cosmic time you mean the time since the bang, then you've lost me. A universe which as a whole has a beginning must have been created by some outside intervention, is a caused universe. The flaw of causality, however, is that if we understand something only if we can reduce it to a cause, and we can understand this cause only as the effect of a preceding cause etcetera, to end at some primordial cause which cannot be reduced to a previous cause, then causality ultimately cannot explain anything. For short: a universe which as a whole has a beginning cannot by definition be understood rationally, so any bigbang scenario must be wrong, however much observations seem to be in favor of it. You propose that

"mass-energy doesn't actually "fall into" a BH, as orthodox BH theory indicates, because it ceases to have any distinguishable meaning at the event horizons. [..] as it expands the mass-energy that was lost to BH's is eventually recovered in the new cycle"-

I don't believe that there's mass/energy lost to BH's. As it eats a star, the mass of the BH increases, its energy exchange with all other objects within its interaction horizon, so there's no mass lost, taken out of circulation, whereas the energy which is radiated away as the star is consumed likewise isn't lost. To explain what I mean, I'm afraid I have to sketch the mechanism of self-creation (see also the UPDATE 1 post at my thread).

If in a cloud of gas particles behave in such a manner that they always feel an equally strong force from all directions, then the force on a particle from its own cloud can only increase if it increases as much from the opposite direction, from neighboring clouds, so stars in statu nascendi only can contract in concert. The force between the particles within the stars then increases as much as it does between the stars. The result is that the energy of the particles increases, the frequency they exchange energy at, so the mass of the stars should increase as well. Though this agrees with the uncertainty principle, this is contrary to official lore according to which the mass of the cloud decreases as it contracts to a star, which agrees with the (false) assumption that the mass of particles doesn't depend on their interactions but only is their source. Whereas before contracting, the position of the mass centers of the clouds was ill-defined so the force between the clouds is weak, as they contract to stars the distance between the (mass centers of the) stars becomes less indefinite. As the force between them increases (and is as attractive as it is repulsive), their mass increases. However, if the gravitational field also increases as a cloud contracts to a stare and the field is an area of contracted spacetime, then as measured within their field, the distance between the stars in statu nascendi increases, expanding as they contract, so there's spacetime created as well as energy. So any increase, any creation of mass/energy IS a creation of a proportional quantity of spacetime: one cannot increase, be created without the other, so the contraction of matter, the creation of mass/energy powers the creation, the expansion of the universe and vice versa. However, since we calculate their distance from their positions with respect to surrounding stars, we find a smaller value than if we could measure their distance within their field, so we underestimate their mass. Though the effect of this expansion is small at the scale of stars and even galaxies, it is observable in the motion of clusters of galaxies with respect to each other, in the continuous creation of spacetime between them. This expansion then isn't a remnant of the velocity particles got at the hypothetic bigbang, but is powered by the contraction, the creation of mass/energy inside the clusters, in galaxies and stars, by the increase of the mass of more or less virtual particles to real ones as they contract to stars. This also explains why the expansion of the universe doesn't decelerate under the influence of gravity as the bigbang scenario predicts, but keeps accelerating. So in a SCU there's no need for dark energy. It is because we assume the mass of particles to be only the source of their interactions that we've come to believe that stars burn their mass, loose mass even if we ignore things like solar flares. It is the energy exchange between the particles, combined with the fact that an energy increase tends to conserve itself in time (unlike a decrease), which powers this combined contraction and expansion. Since in a SCU particles (stars, galaxies ...) move, contract in such a manner that the force they feel is equal from all directions, this automatically produces the homogeneity and isotropy we see, so here there's no need for the far-fetched cosmic inflation hypothesis the bigbang tale needs to appear to make sense itself.

Though a galaxy contracts in the sense that its stars slowly spiral towards its central BH, it is not that it starts out with a definite, finite quantity of matter as the bigbang tale has it. As stars go down the galaxy's 'drain', new particles 'crystallize' (UPDATE 1) where the gravitational field is strong enough to separate real particles from their more virtual siblings, restricting their behavior, forcing them to assume more discreet properties, energies. Whereas virtual particles have much freedom to act as they like, making their position and behavior less definite so they only interact weakly, keeping their mass small, to become real particles, to increase their rest energy to the required level, they must coordinate their behavior, limit their energy exchange to certain discrete values. By radiating the associated, disorderly frequencies, they loose much of the freedom they had as virtual particles. The same happens in as their star implodes to a neutron star or BH, though as their freedom of behavior then becomes much more limited, they'll radiate away much more energy at the supernova, in much higher frequencies.

So it is not that a part of the mass which disappears into a hole is converted to energy: this radiation actually destroys order elsewhere, while the mass of the hole increases, its energy exchange with all other masses. In the water-drain picture of a galaxy, real particles (water) then are created, separated from virtual particles (vapor) where the field is strong enough, contracting to stars, forming a 'head of foam' circling around the drain, new ones appearing as old ones go down the drain.

Whereas the rest energy of particles increases as they subsequently are part of a star, neutron star, BH, IMBH and SMBH, there's an equal energy flow in the opposite direction as in every subsequent step they radiate more disorder away. This radiation keeps empty space empty, restoring its potencies. So we have a spectrum with SMBH's at one end, where the rest energy of particles increases towards its center, the energy difference between neighboring particles smaller as their density is greater, without ever becoming zero as the hole keeps absorbing mass, at the same time by radiating disorder away, keeping empty spacetime empty. As the oscillation of the particles in a BH is more stringently coordinated as its mass is greater, it may behave in many respect as a Bose Einstein condensate. Anyhow, as far as I can see, there's no need for a cycle in this perpetuum-mobile like self-creation process. A cycle suggests (bigbang) that there's a finite quantity to go around, which it is not in a SCU which cannot stop creating itself.

The problem of black holes is that they are the product of our belief that particles have been created, that they only are the cause, the source of their interactions, which they would be in a bigbang universe: only then the force between them can become infinite. As in a SCU the force between them also is the product of their interactions, it never can become infinite, so there's no singularity at the center of what for this reason I've called Black-Hole Like Objects (BHLO's) in my essay. So there also is no infinite curvature of spacetime: though there's no limit to the curvature, to the mass and mass density of a BHLO, it always is finite: there are no singularities in a SCU. Black holes then are the product of our naïve belief that the mass of particles depends on nothing, that it only is the source of the force between them, and hence becomes infinite at infinitesimal distances.

If (as I argued in the UPDATE 2 post at my thread), the speed of light isn't a velocity but rather a property of spacetime, then we cannot say that photons cannot escape from behind the 'event horizon' of the BH, so it cannot have such a horizon either. If it would have a horizon, then gravitons similarly wouldn't be able to escape the hole and express the mass inside of it as gravity outside of it, implying a zero horizon radius. Another objection is that if the hole's field contains mass (as I argue in my essay), then the Schwarzschild equation for the horizon radius should contain a term for the distance the hole is observed from, which it doesn't. Perhaps this field mass of objects, consisting of the more or less virtual (that is: non-baryonic) particles discussed above causes the effects we summarize as dark matter?

So to me terms like 'black/white hole', 'dark energy/matter' and 'singularities' belong to the language of fairy tales, not physics. A problem with calling a quantity infinite(simal) is that this requires the speaker to omit to state with respect to what that quantity is infinite(simal). As any measurement is a comparison to some arbitrarily chosen unit, we should abstain from using these terms in physics. If they pop up in a text, then you know for sure that you've entered wonderland.

Our present confusion comes from the assumption that the mass of an object is an objective, interaction-independent property, that we treat it like a mathematical quantity, a number the size of which is undisputed, that is, doesn't depend on the 'calculation' it is used in. Though we can use the mass 'number' of an object in our equations, we too easily forget that the physical quantity mass only exists in its expression, in the interactions between objects and not as something which has a reality on its own. This is why I insist that the universe as a whole has no physical reality, why a statement like "The mass of the Universe is 1.8x10^54 kg" doesn't mean anything. As to your question

-"is the universe in a continual mode of creation? I came to the conclusion that it had to be cyclical due to 1) constancy of a finite velocity of light for all observers in the universe, 2) the simplest explanation for redshift is cosmic expansion, 3) the isotropic distribution of unusual astronomical objects only at high red-shift"-

As indicated above, the speed of light is not a velocity (see UPDATE 2). As to the redshift argument, I have argued above that this doesn't necessarily prove any expansion (other arguments can be found in the (short) chapter 1.2 'Mass: a quantum mechanical definition' at my Quantumgravity.nl site). As to 3) and "the two separate sets of empirical correlations between SMBHs and their galaxies", I have no idea as yet. As a universe in which particles have to create each other paints a totally different picture of the universe, many phenomena (CMB, BH's, quasars, GRB's, dark energy and matter) need to be rethought before we may accept observations as proof for one hypothesis or the other.

-"The SMC views the CMB as the signature remnant of the expansion at the beginning of time, but has not adequately been able to explain the events leading to this expansion, especially the singularity. Our model incorporates the singularity as a limit in cosmic time of the previous cycle. " -

As to the CMB, this indeed is no fossil, remnant radiation but is produced at present (see UPDATE 2) As to the origin of the CMB, it obviously cannot explain any singularity if there are none. As to "not adequately been able to explain the events leading to this expansion", this seems an understatement as the bigbang model doesn't explain anything at all: it only tries to infer the state we get if we extrapolate back in time. That is, if we assume that the particles have been created at the bang with all their properties they have today, if they only are the source of their interactions.

However, if we extrapolate back in time assuming that particles create each other and don't causally precede stars and galaxies, then we get a completely different scenario, along the lines sketched above. As far as it makes sense to speak of a beginning in a SCU, this would be an indefinite state where particle masses are extremely small, their position ill defined, as would be spacetime itself.

-"Extrapolation of the expansion of the Universe backwards in time using GR yields an infinite density and temperature at a finite time in the past. This singularity signals the breakdown of general relativity."- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang 28-2-2011 In a SCU there's no break down of spacetime nor of the laws of physics: they always apply. Spacetime only is ill-defined until the energy of particles begins to increase as they contract to form more massive objects, as their mass increases, objects which in their field make positions physically different, defining, creating, expanding spacetime.

Regards, Anton

    Dear Anton,

    I believe we have made much progress in understanding each others positions, and I think we are much closer in agreement than I first thought, although we still have our differences.

    You wrote: "so if with cosmic time you mean the time since the bang, then you've lost me."

    No, cosmic time only means that all mass-energy, all spacetime, everything that we define as the universe expands and evolves together, regardless of time dilation differences due to motion or gravity, (i.e.regardless of local time).

    You quoted me: "the mass-energy that was lost to BH's is eventually recovered in the new cycle"

    This is poor wording by me. By "mass-energy that was lost", I don't mean that it was actually destroyed. As you stated, the mass of the BH increases. Agreed. More about this later, because BHs are the key to my model.

    You wrote: "Though the effect of this expansion is small at the scale of stars and even galaxies, it is observable in the motion of clusters of galaxies with respect to each other, in the continuous creation of spacetime between them."

    Agreed.

    You wrote: "... the expansion of the universe doesn't decelerate under the influence of gravity as the bigbang scenario predicts, but keeps accelerating."

    Agreed

    You wrote: "So to me terms like 'black/white hole', 'dark energy/matter' and 'singularities' belong to the language of fairy tales, not physics."

    If you want to be taken seriously, IMO you must work within the incorrect paradigm, with the given terminology, and explain why your theory/model/paradigm is better than the status quo. The burden is on us to convince those who accept the Standard Model that a better model exits. My understanding of the 'black/white hole', 'dark energy/matter' and 'singularities' is different the Standard Model, but I'm going to rejected, without any consideration, if I refer to them as "fairy tales, not physics".

    Let's return to BHs, because they are fundamental. This how I explained it to a friend on the "time travelers" blog: "What do you think the expansion of the universe is? It's a form of anti-gravity. Gravity is not the major influence on the universe on the large scale, expansion is. Think in terms of your frequency shifted photons, how long does it take for them to cross the event horizon for a observer outside of the BH's sphere of influence? It takes until the end of the universe! Now, if the universe is undergoing an accelerated expansion, what is happening to the frequency of the photons that are waiting to cross the event horizon for a observer outside of the BH's sphere of influence? The photons are having their frequency shifted in opposition to the gravity of the BH! If you wait long enough BH's will no longer be perfect sinks, but perfect sources, that is until they receive the feedback from other BHs (that are in the same state) which will transition them all back once again to perfect sinks. This is the mechanism for a eternally expanding cyclical universe."

    As for what I refer to as the singularity, it is a time in the history of the universe, when viewed from a long distance, therefore in the extreme distant future, the universe (if we were able to observe it at its most distant past), appears point-like. It never was a point in the mathematical sense (as in the BBT), it would only appear point-like compared to the vastly expanded universe we presently inhabit. This has a very different meaning than that of the BBT.

    You wrote: "As to the CMB, this indeed is no fossil, remnant radiation but is produced at present (see UPDATE 2)"

    I'm sure I will have to disagree with you on this, but before I respond I will read your update.

    Finally, you admitted: "I admit that I haven't understood your essay completely because my knowledge of GR is very limited."

    Even the experts have difficultly with the mathematics of Einstein's Equations, because they are very difficult to solve and obtain exact solutions! That doesn't mean that you can't learn the concepts of GR and then use them against those who prefer the status quo. Those of us who would like to see the Standard Model replaced could always use another ally, but as I stated previously, IMO you won't be taken seriously, unless you work within the incorrect paradigm to change it.

    Dan

    Dear Dan,

    Your ideas sounds like a variation of other credible ideas I've heard before.

    You said: "Thus, the direct application of the FPC w.r.t. the extreme future of a BH allows us to infer that the light and matter that "falls into" a BH will be recycled into the extreme future of expanding cosmic spacetime, rather than entering into a state of nonexistence at the BH's singularity, as orthodox BH theory presently indicates."

    So you're saying that black holes collect all of the energy and eventually recycle the energy by creating a new universe.

    You said: "Nothing ever crosses the event horizon, although as the null surface approaches to within one Planck length of it, the horizon and the null surface become indistinguishable. All forms of matter and energy are transformed into gravitational potential energy and then retransformed into matter and energy in a reverse process after sufficient cosmic expansion."

    I agree with you that gravity acts like an energy sink or an energy bank. What you're suggesting is progressive within the accepted physics paradigm. I tried to follow your explanation of dark matter as being caused by black holes at the galactic center; also the frame dragging of the entire galaxy (which produces a miscalculation that looks like dark matter).

    From the point of view of the scientific community, it's a very good paper.

    Unfortunately, I think the paradigm of the physics community is an ideological dead end. Nobody is thinking about how to build FTL spaceships so that we can fly out to a black hole, drop in a probe, and test our hypothesis close up. More accurately, physicists are too squeamish to acknowledge the mounting evidence of alien spacecraft sightings. Admittedly, it's neither proof nor experimental evidence.

    It's more like a hint that the laws of physics allow this kind of technology.

    What I do know is that you have quite a bit subject matter knowledge. We have much to discuss about gravity.

    Jason,

    I thought it might interest you. I really appreciate your feedback. My next step is to get it up to peer review standards. I don't think I did too bad for my first attempt. I'll need the follow up to be more rigorous though. It's tough with the character limit, but it's a good thing, too. Reading all these essays is exhausting.

    Thanks,

    Dan

    Dear Dan,

    If I understand your term 'cosmic time' correctly, then black holes are much older than the 14 billion years of light-emitting objects: the heavier, the older they are.

    "Gravity is not the major influence on the universe on the large scale, expansion is."

    As to fairy tales, in my essay (and posts to your forum) I try to show that gravity is responsible for both the contraction of masses, the creation of energy at one scale and the simultaneous creation, the expansion of spacetime between the mass concentrations: they are the two sides of the same coin. In my view (weak) gravity powers or is powered by this expansion so we need no dark energy to explain why that expansion doesn't slow down. It is only the bigbang tale which needs inflation and dark energy to keep standing.

    As to paradigm's, I think that a lot of theories have been built upon some fundamental misconceptions, theories on which have been built more theories, the latter theories granting the former ones a false respectability nobody dares to doubt anymore. So I find it hard to learn and use the lingo of the present paradigm without succumbing to the same errors. If to dispute the present paradigm requires me to learn it, to believe in assumptions which to me are misconceptions, then I cannot from within that paradigm attack it: I can only ignore it or point to the many contradictions it contains. As I've become suspicious about many statements of present physics, I had no other choice but to try to re-invent physics, starting from the assumption that QM and relativity theory describe the engineering principles of a self-creating universe. I find it easier to start afresh, to try a different approach since following the beaten path apparently hasn't led to any useful idea. As far as I'm concerned, string theory and the Higgs boson are useless as the problems they are supposed to solve are based on some fundamental misconceptions. To study, to learn all the intricacies of these theories knowing that they won't solve anything but are part of the problem, to me seems a waste of time.

    Regards, Anton

    Anton,

    "If I understand your term 'cosmic time' correctly, then black holes are much older than the 14 billion years of light-emitting objects: the heavier, the older they are."

    In general I would agree with this statement. There is no method to actually determine the age of a BH. For example, an IMBH could have a recent origin from the merging of two or more less massive BHs or it could be quite old. I would say that most SMBHs are old.

    "As to fairy tales..."

    You should read the third reference from my essay, I think you would really enjoy it. Here a copy of the reference and the link: [3] American Scientist, September-October 2007,聽Volume 95, Number 5, Modern Cosmology: Science or Folktale?, by Michael J. Disney, http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/pub/2007/9/modern-cosmology-science-or-folktale

    "So I find it hard to learn and use the lingo of the present paradigm without succumbing to the same errors."

    I meant that in response to your statement: "I admit that I haven't understood you essay completely because my knowledge of GR is very limited."

    GR is fundamental. IMO, it has some misinterpretations that have lead to incorrect understanding in cosmology and BH theory. These misinterpretations are what I'm exposing in my theories.

    "I had no other choice but to try to re-invent physics, starting from the assumption that QM and relativity theory describe the engineering principles of a self-creating universe."

    You've done a more than admirable job in presenting an alternative. But, my essay would be more comprehendible with a better understanding of GR. How do you know if your lack of GR knowledge hasn't caused you to omit something from your theory? That's all I was implying.

    Dan

    Dan,

    You raise many interesting points in your essay. The issue of the mass gap between ordinary and supermassive black holes is intriguing. With regard to your proposal that frame-dragging is the cause of the flat rotation curves for galaxies, I'm wondering if you have calculated the amount of Lense-Thirring procession in the peripheral galactic regions that were analyzed by Rubin and others. All in all, it is a well-crafted essay.

    Best regards,

    Paul

    Paul,

    Thank you for taking time out of your day to read and respond to my essay. The mass gap that you mentioned has been an ongoing astrophysical mystery, that was even more conspicuous until the recent discoveries of IMBHs in GCs and some dwarf galaxies, that has narrowed the gap somewhat.

    As to the Lense-Thirring procession, I have not, as of yet, done any calculations. So this remains as only a contingent hypothesis that needs a more rigorous treatment. DM has always seemed to me to be more than just a particle physics problem. It also seem suspicious that the two empirical correlations between galaxies and their SBMHs have a exponential relationship. As you can see, I have plenty of work to do, but I believe I'm on the right track. Just last night, I came across this statement from the book Cosmos: An Illustrated History of Astronomy and Cosmology by John North;

    "In 1928 James Jeans, searching for the origin of spiral nebula suggested that their centers might be places where matter 'poured into the universe, from some other and entirely extraneous, spatial dimension'."

    In the light of my model, this seems to be almost a prophetic statement.

    Thanks once again for your correspondence, it is much appreciated.

    Dan

    Dear Mister Benedict- Sometimes, when I try to argue with someone that electrons move from place to place over the arc of the curtate cycloid. They tell me I am wasting time with a function out of a high school geometry text book. Have you ever heard of the problems of the Brachistochrone and the Tautochrone? Did you know that the cycloid is the answer to both of these knotty challenges? If I am correct, that electrons motion is, by and large, cyloidal motion. Wouldn't that mean that I have solved the Brachistochrone and Tautochrone problems at the atomic level?

    Good luck in the contest! Joel Mayer (author: Is Reality Digital or Analog?)

    Dear Dan T Benedict,

    Just now I read your essay and I strongly urge you to read not only my essay but also my 'Blog' mentioned in it.Soon after I hear from you,we will discuss the implications of our essay connections.Then you will be able to judge your position much better.

    Thanks for your wonderful (surprising?) essay.

    Good luck and all the best.

    Sreenath B N.

      Dear Dan,

      Thanks for your positive response.The moment I saw your essay last night I called on you because of intimate relationship between our ideas.If you base your views on the basis of QG field,it would be enthralling.

      Regarding why I cannot admit BHs of smaller size than,R= 10^5 cm is because of the intrinsic relationship between micro (quantum) and macro (classical) world according to the relation r/R = 2πGβ/c2 .If the radius of BH is 10^2 cm,then the value of 'r'(Interaction-range) becomes 10^-33 cm,that is the Planck's length.That is why BHs of size smaller than 10^2 cm cannot be admitted (but I commit myself to 10^5 cm).Similarly you cannot go on increasing the gravitational radius above 10^33 cm (in my article I have restricted it to 10^30 cm),because then the value of Interaction-range 'r' correspondingly increases.For example,if R= 10^30 cm then 'r'=10^-5 cm; if R= 10^33 cm then 'r' = 10^-2 cm.Now you see the reason.If this conclusion contradicts (it will) Hawking's idea of 'Baby-BHs',it is natural.It is because his theory does n't limit the size of BHs and that is the flaw of all existing theories on BHs.

      Thanks for your suggestions on my web-article.On your suggestion, I would like to contact "Corda'.I would be glad if you too participate in this.

      Looking forward to hearing from you.

      Best regards and good luck.

      Sreenath.

      Dear Sreenath,

      Thank you for clarifying the small BH issue. I new that you had a reason within your theory, but I meant that since Hawking is seen as the authority, that this might be an issue for a journal. Since your theory seems to be consistent, can you suggest any experiments or observations that would be able to support it if they were conducted? This is another important step to getting acceptance from the mainstream physics community. Since your theory doesn't admit gravity waves (I have had doubts about them, myself), it may be difficult to get any experiment support, due to scale at which QG acts. Nevertheless, I'm glad you have considered my suggestion.

      I had always suspected that there must be some connection between my model and the quantum world, but had never made any connections of my own. You can imagine my surprise, when I read your paper. All of my ideas came from contemplation of the nature of time and from the limited knowledge that I have on GR.

      I plan to reread your paper and will assist you however I am able.

      Sincerely,

      Dan

      Peter,

      Thank you for all of your support. Getting my essay before the judges is very satisfying, especially in light of the competition. It was touch and go there for a while, but now I can relax for a bit. I have read Constantinos' essay and it was quite good. I will read Dr Ionescue's today.

      Sincerely,

      Dan

      Dear Dan,

      Congrats for making it to the last 35 and in sight a hard prize to earn.You deserved that because of a lot of stress and strain you put in to your essay thro' your wisdom and imagination.

      Soon I will be in touch with you.

      Sincerely

      Sreenath.

      Dear Dan,

      Congratulations on your dedication to the competition and your much deserved top 35 placing. I have a bugging question for you, which I've also posed to all the potential prize winners btw:

      Q: Coulomb's Law of electrostatics was modelled by Maxwell by mechanical means after his mathematical deductions as an added verification (thanks for that bit of info Edwin), which I highly admire. To me, this gives his equation some substance. I have a problem with the laws of gravity though, especially the mathematical representation that "every object attracts every other object equally in all directions." The 'fabric' of spacetime model of gravity doesn't lend itself to explain the law of electrostatics. Coulomb's law denotes two types of matter, one 'charged' positive and the opposite type 'charged' negative. An Archimedes screw model for the graviton can explain -both- the gravity law and the electrostatic law, whilst the 'fabric' of spacetime can't. Doesn't this by definition make the helical screw model better than than anything else that has been suggested for the mechanism of the gravity force?? Otherwise the unification of all the forces is an impossiblity imo. Do you have an opinion on my analysis at all?

      Best wishes,

      Alan