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Spiridon DUMITRU :

"ROUTES OF QUANTUM MECHANICS THEORIES"

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The conclusive view of quantum mechanics theory depends on its routes in respect with CIUR (Conventional Interpretation of Uncertainty Relations).

As the CIUR is obligatorily assumed or interdicted the mentioned view leads

to ambiguous, deficient and unnatural visions respectively to a potentially simple, mended and natural conception. The

alluded dependence is illustrated in the attached poster.Attachment #1: 2_Routes_of_Quantum_Mechanics_Theories...pdf

Uncertainty is a result of the fact that measurement is always taking place in the past of the "wave/particle". A measurement of the probability of a location of a particle is resulting in the collapse of the wave function. This collapse is the moment (lapse of time of this moment : Planck time) and the place (length : Planck length) after this observation the wave function of the "particle" is reinstalled, and again the probabilities of a possible location are diverse. That is how the two (and more) split experiment can be explained in a logic way. beyond these untill now minimum lapse of time and minimum length our universe becomes non-causal because there is no place for the cause and event together, so neither of them is reality.(see also Realities out of Total Simultaneity)

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Dear All,

Singularity (soul or conscience or universal i) is the only absolute "string" (source of all the waves) in the universe, this truth can only be known by the self and not observed with our senses. What we observe with our senses is the limited view of this universal string, which results in discrete particle duality or relativity.

Please see the absolute mathematical truth of singularity at

zero = i = infinity

Love,

Sridattadev.

2 months later
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By the way, it is interesting to note that according to conventional quantum mechanics, nowadays physicists still do not know why and how (particle such as) electron can act both wave and particle property! May be knowing the mechanism of wave-particle duality (in paper below) will guide us understanding the mechanism of uncertainty relation!

[link]http://www.vacuum-mechanics.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=17&lang=en[/link]

16 days later
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Dear Sir,

In a paper "Is Reality Digital or Analogue" published by the FQXi Community on Dec. 29, 2010, we have shown that: uncertainty is not a law of Nature. It is the result of natural laws relating to measurement that reveal a kind of granularity at certain levels of existence that is related to causality. The left hand side of all valid equations or inequalities represents free-will, as we are free to choose (or vary within certain constraints) the individual parameters. The right hand side represents determinism, as the outcome is based on the input in predictable ways. The equality (or inequality) sign prescribes the special conditions to be observed or matched to achieve the desired result. These special conditions, which cannot be always predetermined with certainty or chosen by us arbitrarily, introduce the element of uncertainty in measurements.

When Mr. Heisenberg proposed his conjecture in 1927, Mr. Earle Kennard independently derived a different formulation, which was later generalized by Mr. Howard Robertson as: σ(q)σ(p) ≥ h/4π. This inequality says that one cannot suppress quantum fluctuations of both position σ(q) and momentum σ(p) lower than a certain limit simultaneously. The fluctuation exists regardless of whether it is measured or not implying the existence of a universal field. The inequality does not say anything about what happens when a measurement is performed. Mr. Kennard's formulation is therefore totally different from Mr. Heisenberg's. However, because of the similarities in format and terminology of the two inequalities, most physicists have assumed that both formulations describe virtually the same phenomenon. Modern physicists actually use Mr. Kennard's formulation in everyday research but mistakenly call it Mr. Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. "Spontaneous" creation and annihilation of virtual particles in vacuum is possible only in Mr. Kennard's formulation and not in Mr. Heisenberg's formulation, as otherwise it would violate conservation laws. If it were violated experimentally, the whole of quantum mechanics would break down.

The uncertainty relation of Mr. Heisenberg was reformulated in terms of standard deviations, where the focus was exclusively on the indeterminacy of predictions, whereas the unavoidable disturbance in measurement process had been ignored. A correct formulation of the error-disturbance uncertainty relation, taking the perturbation into account, was essential for a deeper understanding of the uncertainty principle. In 2003 Mr. Masanao Ozawa developed the following formulation of the error and disturbance as well as fluctuations by directly measuring errors and disturbances in the observation of spin components: ε(q)η(p) + σ(q)η(p) + σ(p)ε(q) ≥ h/4π.

Mr. Ozawa's inequality suggests that suppression of fluctuations is not the only way to reduce error, but it can be achieved by allowing a system to have larger fluctuations. Nature Physics (2012) (doi:10.1038/nphys2194) describes a neutron-optical experiment that records the error of a spin-component measurement as well as the disturbance caused on another spin-component. The results confirm that both error and disturbance obey the new relation but violate the old one in a wide range of experimental parameters. Even when either the source of error or disturbance is held to nearly zero, the other remains finite. Our description of uncertainty follows this revised formulation.

While the particles and bodies are constantly changing their alignment within their confinement, these are not always externally apparent. Various circulatory systems work within our body that affects its internal dynamics polarizing it differently at different times which become apparent only during our interaction with other bodies. Similarly, the interactions of subatomic particles are not always apparent. The elementary particles have intrinsic spin and angular momentum which continually change their state internally. The time evolution of all systems takes place in a continuous chain of discreet steps. Each particle/body acts as one indivisible dimensional system. This is a universal phenomenon that creates the uncertainty because the internal dynamics of the fields that create the perturbations are not always known to us. We may quote an example.

Imagine an observer and a system to be observed. Between the two let us assume two interaction boundaries. When the dimensions of one medium end and that of another medium begin, the interface of the two media is called the boundary. Thus there will be one boundary at the interface between the observer and the field and another at the interface of the field and the system to be observed. In a simple diagram, the situation can be schematically represented as shown below:

O│ │S

Here O represents the observer and S the system to be observed. The vertical lines represent the interaction boundaries. The two boundaries may or may not be locally similar (have different local density gradients). The arrows represent the effect of O and S on the medium that leads to the information exchange that is cognized as observation.

All information requires an initial perturbation involving release of energy, as perception is possible only through interaction (exchange of force). Such release of energy is preceded by freewill or a choice of the observer to know about some aspect of the system through a known mechanism. The mechanism is deterministic - it functions in predictable ways (hence known). To measure the state of the system, the observer must cause at least one quantum of information (energy, momentum, spin, etc) to pass from him through the boundary to the system to bounce back for comparison. Alternatively, he can measure the perturbation created by the other body across the information boundary.

The quantum of information (seeking) or initial perturbation relayed through an impulse (effect of energy etc) after traveling through (and may be modified by) the partition and the field is absorbed by the system to be observed or measured (or it might be reflected back or both) and the system is thereby perturbed. The second perturbation (release or effect of energy) passes back through the boundaries to the observer (among others), which is translated after measurement at a specific instant as the quantum of information. The observation is the observer's subjective response on receiving this information. The result of measurement will depend on the totality of the forces acting on the systems and not only on the perturbation created by the observer. The "other influences" affecting the outcome of the information exchange give rise to an inescapable uncertainty in observations.

The system being observed is subject to various potential (internal) and kinetic (external) forces which act in specified ways independent of observation. For example chemical reactions take place only after certain temperature threshold is reached. A body changes its state of motion only after an external force acts on it. Observation doesn't affect these. We generally measure the outcome - not the process. The process is always deterministic. Otherwise there cannot be any theory. We "learn" the process by different means - observation, experiment, hypothesis, teaching, etc, and develop these into cognizable theory. Heisenberg was right that "everything observed is a selection from a plentitude of possibilities and a limitation on what is possible in the future". But his logic and the mathematical format of the uncertainty principle: ε(q)η(p) ≥ h/4π are wrong.

The observer observes the state at the instant of second perturbation - neither the state before nor after it. This is because only this state, with or without modification by the field, is relayed back to him while the object continues to evolve in time. Observation records only this temporal state and freezes it as the result of observation (measurement). Its truly evolved state at any other time is not evident through such observation. With this, the forces acting on it also remain unknown - hence uncertain. Quantum theory takes these uncertainties into account. If ∑ represents the state of the system before and ∑ ± δ∑ represents the state at the instant of perturbation, then the difference linking the transformations in both states (treating other effects as constant) is minimum, if δ∑

2 years later

QUANTUM TUNNELLING, CAUSALITY AND RADIOACTIVE DECAY

We're all frightened by radioactivity. We associate it with high level nuclear waste; atomic weapons and the mass destruction of nuclear war; Hiroshima and Nagasaki; Three Mile Island and Chernobyl; radioactive fallout that causes cancer and biological mutations. What I'm most frightened about radioactivity is that there is no rational scientific explanation for it! That's probably because radioactivity resides within the realm of quantum physics, and there's no rational scientific explanation for that either.

In high school science classes, we are told about a class of elements that have nuclei that are unstable; these are the radioactive elements and they emit radioactivity - Alpha, Beta and Gamma radiation. This emission is their attempt to go from an unstable state to a less unstable state and eventually to a stable state. This progression happens at a fixed mathematical progression termed the element's half-life. In class you get an awful lot of the what - what decays; what are the daughter products; what is the measured half-life; what is the significance, etc. But you don't get very much, if any, explanations as to the how and the why of events. That's probably because any attempt to actually explain and how and the why of radioactivity ends up as pure bovine fertilizer.

There are two main anomalies here. Firstly, why would two identical unstable particles in the exact same environment will decay or go poof at different times; secondly why any collection of identical unstable particles will decay or go poof while marching to the beat of a mathematical drum.

DESCRIPTION

Radioactive Decay: We all know about radioactivity (nuclear fission) and how some atomic nuclei are unstable and will at some point decay into more stable forms. So far; so good. The first issue is that nobody can predict when any particular unstable nuclei will go poof. There is no ultimate reason why one nucleus will go poof in five minutes and its next door neighbour won't poof over the next five hundred years. There is no apparent causality involved. That alone is "Twilight Zone" stuff, but wait, there's more. As we learn in high school, though the why is never explained, unstable (radioactive) nuclei decay or go poof in a fixed mathematical way, known by the phrase called the "half-life". An example would be if half of the unstable nuclei went poof in one year; one half of what remains unstable goes poof during the next year; one half of what is still unstable decays in the third year; one half of what remains after that goes poof in the fourth year, and so on down the line until all the unstable nuclei have gone poof. So if you start in the beginning with say sixteen million unstable nuclei, after one year there's still eight million unstable nuclei; after two years there's four million left to go; after three years two million still haven't gone poof; after four years one million; one year later there's still a half million left, and so on and so on.

On a human level, apart from the nasties given in the abstract, radioactivity provides an abundant energy supply without any greenhouse gas emissions as well as a ways and means of dating historical events. On a cosmic level, radioactive decay turns complex unstable parent nuclei into simpler stable daughter nuclei by emitting Alpha, Beta and Gamma radiation, the former two being nothing more exotic than helium nuclei (the Alpha) and electrons (the Beta). Gamma radiation is best avoided since it is extremely high energy photons that can do your body a mischief.

STANDARD EXPLANATIONS

The standard quantum model attributes radioactivity or radioactive decay to a magical phenomenon called Quantum Tunnelling. Translated, radioactive decay happens for absolutely no reason whatsoever. There is no causality. There is no cause and effect. Things go poof - well, things just go poof.

To get your head around the concept of Quantum Tunnelling, imagine one hundred convicts milling around a prison courtyard with twenty foot walls and no external exits. Then, for no obvious reason, fifty of those convicts vanish from inside the courtyard just to reappear somewhere outside the courtyard, and hence quickly make themselves scarce. One second they are confined within the prison walls; one nanosecond later they are scattering in all directions heading for the hills. They have tunnelled their way past the prison courtyard wall without actually physically doing any tunnelling! The escaped convicts in this analogy are of course those bits and pieces confined (or imprisoned) in the quantum realm, the Alpha, Beta and Gamma radiation part and parcel of radioactive decay.

In the quantum realm, though the nuclei might be unstable, the bits and pieces are held in place by an energy barrier, the equivalent of the twenty foot prison courtyard wall. In the macro world, they don't have enough energy to clear the barrier, just like a long fly ball that doesn't have enough oomph to clear the outfield fence and become a homerun - it's just a long out. But in the micro realm, for reasons nobody comprehends, the unstable and restless-to-escape bits of the unwieldy unstable nuclei can cheat and tunnel past the energy barrier even though they don't have sufficient theoretical oomph to do so. Not only can they quantum tunnel through, when they do they so instantaneously. And there's no rhyme or reason behind it. There's no causality. One second they are inside the radioactive nucleus; the next nanosecond after they are free as a bird and outward bound.

Not that in and of itself is absurd, but absurdity is piled upon absurdity when you consider that the 'convicts' don't escape not only for no reason, but they do so in a precise military precision or mathematical sort of way. So our one hundred convicts become fifty in one hour; then twenty-five of those remaining 'tunnel' to freedom in the next hour; thirteen of those twenty-five vanish through the wall in the third hour; six of the remaining twelve head for the hills during the fourth hourly interval; three more go walkabout in the fifth hour; two more vanish in the sixth hour; and the last one standing makes an unexplainable vanishing act in the seventh hour, leaving the prison courtyard in a pristine and very stable state indeed without an inmate in sight.

How can you have both a total lack of causality AND maintain such military or mathematical (half-life) precision? It's pure bovine fertilizer.

PROBABILITY vs. CAUSALITY

The standard model suggests that radioactive decay happens for no apparent reason at all since Quantum Tunnelling happens for no apparent reason at all. It's all pure probability, even if it dances to a precise military/mathematical tune. The idea that Quantum Tunnelling is just pure probability yet results in a really neat graph when plotted goes rather against the grain of common sense.

Dealing with radioactive decay, well we (the observers) say the odds (probability) that an unstable atomic nucleus will go poof in say one hour (just a measure of time which is a human concept) is 50/50. Actually, it's 100% certainty if you replace "one hour" with the phrase "sooner or later". There is no actual probability involved. Now let's go up one level. Each kind of unstable atomic nuclei, be it uranium (U-235 or U-238), plutonium (Pu), Technetium (Tc), Radon (Rn), Radium (Ra) and all those normally non-radioactive elements that have unstable isotopes, like radioactive carbon (C-14), and many others too numerous to mention, has its own unique half-life. That in itself tells you that causality must be operating. All differing nuclei are only different because they have different numbers of protons and neutrons that comprise them. Yet each, say U-235 nuclei, has the exact same number of protons and neutrons. That's what makes U-235, U-235. That's causality, not probability. And U-235 has a specific and unique half-life. That's causality, not probability. The fact that differing configurations of protons and neutrons result in differing half-lives, and any one unique configuration results in one unique half-life, tells you that things are not random. Causality is operating; certainty follows. I have no idea what is the causality behind Quantum Tunnelling, only that I'm certain there is one.

DISCUSSION

Now IMHO that radioactive half-life decay progression makes absolutely no sense. If nuclei go poof for no reason at all, all those that go poof should do so in a totally random fashion - no fixed pattern. Since there is a fixed pattern that suggests to me that the unstable nuclei have to 'know' about this half-life obligation they are required to follow. They are self-aware enough to know when it is their turn to suicide (decay) in order to keep up appearances; maintain the quantum social order, and keep the half-life relationship valid.

Regarding Quantum Tunnelling, well firstly this violates Einstein's cosmic speed limit - the velocity light travels in a vacuum. That's because any gap instantaneously crossed by a particle undergoing Quantum Tunnelling - well, instantaneously means infinity and infinite velocity is greater than the speed of light.

Even scientist and science writer Marcus Chown described quantum tunnelling as "The apparently miraculous ability of microscopic particles to escape from their prisons". When a scientist starts invoking miracles, you know something is weird!

Presumably if it wasn't for that energy barrier holding together the bits and pieces of nuclei, stable or unstable, everything within would escape all at once and the micro world would go to hell in a hand-basket, just like if there were no prison walls all the convicts would flee in the immediate here and now. But if that energy barrier (or prison wall) could be breached (via Quantum Tunnelling) the question arises, if the 'convicts', macro or micro, can dematerialise and rematerialise elsewhere instantaneously, why don't they all escape at the same time?

And I fail to see how invoking the wave property nature of elementary particles helps any since that would apply equally to stable and unstable (radioactive) nuclei. The wavelength would be larger than the nucleus, or in our analogy, the convict would be so spread out such that they would be larger than their prison courtyard. Everything, all the bits and pieces in each and every nuclei, should break out and break apart and escape immediately.

When it comes to radioactivity, apparently nothing chemical or physical can be done that will alter the nature of that radioactivity. Something that's unstable, radioactive, will decay when it damn well feels like it. You can boil it in oil, sledgehammer it, soak it in acid, swear at it, even invoke the name of Jesus and it won't alter anything. That in itself is more than just a little bit anomalous - not the Jesus bit but the fact that nothing you can do to an unstable nucleus in any chemical or physical shape manner or form will cause it to decay before it feels like it.

SUMMARY

Enigma number one is why two identical non-living things in an absolutely identical environment should individually act as something possessing free will, which is acting with seemingly minds of their own. That's just plain bizarre. If they don't have self-awareness, and it's absurd to suggest that subatomic nuclei have consciousness, then the alternative is that things happen for absolutely no reason at all. That's also just plain bizarre. Further heading into "The Twilight Zone", well the mathematical half-life behind the concept of the decay of unstable radioactive nuclei is just not the sort of natural behaviour that you'd expect. All unstable nuclei of the same type and in the same environment should all go poof at nearly, if not exactly, at the same moment. They don't. That too is an enigma, IMHO.

11 days later

QUANTUM UNCERTAINTY: WHERE'S JANE?

Quantum physics is weird for a whole lot of reasons. One of the central reasons is that all things in the quantum realm are stated in terms of probabilities, or uncertainties, or indeterminacy. That's unlike the realm of classical physics, the realm our normal day-to-day lives are lived in. However, I use an analogy from the classical world to illustrate the realm of quantum uncertainty.

The physical universe is pretty predictable. The rising and setting of the Sun, the phases of the Moon, the tides, the positions of the planets and their satellites, eclipses, etc. can all be predicted to a high degree of accuracy centuries in advance. Applies fall from trees. Two parts hydrogen combines with one part oxygen makes water. Pure water boils at 100 degrees Centigrade at sea level. Spring follows winter. Entropy increases. Musical instruments play according to design. Bridges bridge according to design. Airplanes fly according to design and so on and so on and so on. Your macro (classical physics) world is as predictable for the most part as is your death and taxes.

On the micro (quantum physics) scale however, quantum effects rule the roost, and that roost is anything but predictable. In other words, uncertainty rules in the tiny world of the micro, for at the heart of quantum physics lays the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. In other words, when dealing with all things micro, what you know is only probability. In the world of the macro: The sun will rise tomorrow. In the world of the micro: Any specific atom of a radioactive substance may, or may not decay within an hour, even if it's near certain that at least one atom will. You can't predict or know which one. In the world of the macro: You know where the moon is. In the world of the micro: Where is an electron that's 'in orbit' around an atomic nucleus? You don't know to any precise degree, unlike say, a satellite in orbit around the Earth. The very act of observing or measuring something at the micro level changes the very nature or the properties of what you are trying to observe or measure. You may know the general probability of the value of the property (say the location of an electron in the vicinity somewhere around an atomic nucleus), but never the exact value or location.

From the realm of the classical macro, say an observer observes a pebble on the beach. The observation comes about because photons (light) reflect off the pebble, enter the eyes of the observer, carry sufficient energy to jiggle those retina receptors, causing an electrical nerve signal into the brain which does its brain thingy and 'sees' the pebble in a specific place on the beach. The photons, while energetic enough to jiggle the receptors in the retina, aren't energetic enough to budge the pebble. However, if you replaced a revolver bullet(s) for the photon(s), then the pebble would move, probably to an unexpected, indeterminist place, but with a certain probability of being with a certain radius of where it originally was; an even greater probability of being within twice that distance, etc. Instead of the pebble and the bullet, substitute an electron (pebble), which is small enough to be dislodged by a photon (bullet). You need the photon to see the electron, say in 'orbit' around an atomic nucleus, but after that photon enters your eye, the electron has gone walkabout. In other words, the very act of observing the electron changes the position of the electron, so you can't be certain post-observation where the electron is now and what its new velocity and direction might be. It might not even be in 'orbit' any more. That's part of the guts of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and better eyeballs or better measuring equipment won't decrease the level of uncertainty. The other part of the uncertainty phenomena is that the electron is behaving as a wave - the wave-particle duality - and thus the electron is not behaving like a little billiard ball and travelling in a nice straight line, or a standard curved orbit at all but waving all over the place like a flag in a still breeze.

So when comparing the macro and the micro worlds, there are two kinds of probability or uncertainty or indeterminacy - call it what you will. There's uncertainty in the macro world due to lack of knowledge that you in theory could acquire, like is that flipped coin that rolled under the sofa heads or tails? Then there's uncertainty in the micro world due to lack of knowledge that you can not ever acquire, even in theory. In general, the former tends to represent the classical physics of the macro; the latter, the quantum physics of the micro.

To illustrate, I've thought up an example from the world of the classical macro world called 'where is Jane?' The starting point is that apparently, according to information on Facebook, Jane is to leave Adelaide, South Australia for Canberra, Australian Capital Territory at 9 am. That much is apparently certain, but that's all you know. The question is 'where is Jane?' at 10 am?

It's highly probable that Jane will catch a direct flight from Adelaide to Canberra, and knowing the usual speed of a commercial airliner, you can predict where Jane will be at 10 am. BUT, what if Jane missed the flight? What if the flight was delayed? What if the plane hit high headwinds, tailwinds or crosswinds? What if the flight had to go around some nasty weather system? What if the flight was diverted or returned to Adelaide because of a mechanical problem? Then your prediction of where Jane is (latitude, longitude, altitude) at 10 am is fuzzier.

Of course Jane, albeit with less probability, might have flown first to Melbourne hence Canberra. Or perhaps Jane went from Adelaide to Darwin to Brisbane to Canberra - improbable, but not impossible. Even more improbable (but not impossible) is that Jane flew from Adelaide to Perth then on to London via Africa (or the Middle East), hence to New York (or maybe Boston or Washington or Miami) then on to L.A. (or San Francisco) hence to Hawaii, Sydney and Canberra! To predict where Jane is at 10 am, you'd need to consider all those improbably but possible itineraries.

To complicate things further, there's a reasonable possibility Jane went to Canberra not by plane, but by train. Or maybe she drove or took a taxi or bus. Maybe she decided to hitch-hike, or use her bicycle or walk the distance (say to raise and collect money for charity).

So, where's Jane at 10 am? You don't know exactly, although you can assign various probabilities to all the possibilities and take your best guess. Of course if Jane knows you're looking for her, perhaps she deliberately took one of the low probability options - and then decided to head for Hobart instead as her port of call! Now you have an idea of how hard it is to pin down any property, such as the position of an electron, in the world of the quantum micro! In fact, it's even harder than that. You will be indecisive or indeterminate or uncertain that the electron in question is in fact anywhere even near that atomic nucleus it normally 'orbits' around. There's a possibility that the electron went totally walkabout. In our analogy, what if Jane went up - straight up. Maybe, just maybe, however improbable, our Ms. Jane took a suborbital rocket flight from Adelaide to Canberra, perhaps maybe via the Moon, or maybe she is currently heading outward bound towards Mars (and points beyond)!

Actually, to satisfy your curiosity, Jane woke up, decided to hell with going to Canberra, rolled back over and went back to sleep!

REFLECTIONS ON A PANE OF GLASS: IT'S A QUANTUM PAIN IN THE QUANTUM PANE

In quantum physics, you often deduce that those residents of the micro realm, those elementary particles, have some very strange properties bordering on a quasi-free will. They sort of possess a 'mind' of their own. They seemingly have the ability to 'know' things about their external world and their relationship to that. They make decisions with respect to those relationships and act accordingly. They are not just little inert billiard balls. There are observations to back this up that include an observation you can make at home to verify this. Look outside your window. What do you see? A very big mystery is what you see, if your window is anything like my window or most windows.

Even if you don't know or understand very much about quantum mechanics, or quantum physics (same difference), you have probably associated it with weirdness. Unlike the certainty and causality domination of your day-in and day-out macro world, the realm of the quantum is centred on probability, chance and randomness where things happen for absolutely no reason at all and identical scenarios will yield different results. One oft given example you can (and have) witnessed - how light (photons) interacts with a common pane of window glass.

GENERAL DESCRIPTION

Here is a common happening that you have experienced at home or in the office or in the car that you probably never gave a second thought to. That unregistered oddity you experienced is seeing the reflection of AND the passing through of light waves (photons) with respect to a pane of glass simultaneously. What's so odd about that? Well, what's odd is that light is both passing through and reflecting from the same pane of glass at the same time. Why both? Why not one or the other scenario? What's odder still, assuming you are inside, is that not only can you see your reflection or the reflection of what's in your background but what's also outside and through your own reflection. You see your reflection and the outside image, both superimposed on top of each other. So photons are both passing through the glass (you can see the outside while you are inside) from the outside to the inside and at the same time reflecting from the inside to the inside (you can see the inside from the inside) both happenings at the same spot on the glass.

And if you go outside the reverse is also true. The outside is partly reflected by the glass surface back to you while you are outside looking in while at the same time light photons from the inside are passing through the entire glass so you can see inside your room though you are standing outside, both inside and outside as superimposed images.

Further, the ratio of pass through to reflection also depends on the thickness of the glass, so presumably the photon 'knows' in advance what that thickness is and acts accordingly. If all of that doesn't strike you as odd, nothing will, though it's so commonplace it probably doesn't strike you as odd.

OTHER EXAMPLES

This 'do I or don't I' oddity doesn't just apply to panes of glass. This applies to a wide range of transparent, even translucent stuff. The same pass through vs. reflect back applies for example to your eyeball. Some photons enter your eye and deliver their message; some photons hit the identical spot but are reflected back, but can then hit a mirror and reflect back again this time entering your eye so that you see your eye that reflected in the mirror.

Speaking of eyes, you can 'see' an external bright light even with your eyelids shut, yet some of the light is also being reflected off the external surface of your eyelids.

Sunglasses are another obvious example. You can see your reflection in the outer side of the lenses, but clearly the sunglasses let through without any obstruction photons too.

You can see your reflection in still water and the bottom beneath the surface too if the water is pretty clear and the bottom is fairly shallow. This should also apply to say a polished diamond or other similar gemstones or crystal(s).

Another visual example - you see sunlight reflected off of the tops of clouds when in an aircraft that's flying above them. As you descend through them and land, though the day is now overcast, clearly some sunlight photons are passed through the clouds. It's the same clouds; and the same sunlight; and the same observer; but differing outcomes. So the pass through vs. reflection enigma applies equally to translucent objects (like clouds) too.

Though this is an obviously visual puzzle, well that in itself is obvious since we can only see visible light photons. However, photons come in a wide range of forms, from ultraviolet to radio; infrared to microwave; gamma rays to X-rays. Presumably this pass through vs. reflection phenomena takes place with non-light photons too. The most obvious example is that radio, TV or cell phone reception tends to be better outside than inside - one reason for your TV aerial or antenna. So, some radio/TV/cell phone photons are reflected off of the outside of your solid building but some pass through too, but this has nothing to do with frequency or wavelength since these transmissions are on a very narrow bandwidth.

In a similar vein, it's been advocated for decades that the ideal location to do radio astronomy and/or SETI, searching for alien radio signals, is on the far side of the Moon because the Moon's bulk is 100% opaque to terrestrial and human generated radio signals that just add unwanted noise to the signals the astronomers are looking for.

One clue that the pass through vs. reflection conundrum must be density related, not just thickness related, comes from X-rays. We've all seen X-ray photos of the human hand. The bones stand out; the wedding ring more so, but the flesh is visible too though less so. So some X-ray photons were reflected, greater reflection related to the density of the stuff the X-ray photon was hitting. Yet clearly some X-ray photons passed through since the image of the fleshy bits isn't as strong as the bones and the bones weren't as solid an image as the ring. Yet it was the exact same X-ray dose that hit all three substances - flesh, bone and metal.

THE STANDARD SOLUTIONS

The basic postulate postulated by quantum physicists is that the photon pass through vs. reflection anomaly is an anomaly because it all happens for absolutely no reason at all. It's all random. It's all probability. Some photons pass through via the luck of the draw; other photons get reflected by that same random luck of the draw. How is that possible given that we have, in the original example, one identical pane of glass with identical photons impacting? Well, if you don't invoke causality, you can just about get away with anything anomalous.

The other accepted answer is that any one photon is in a superposition of states. It can be in two places at the same time, so it can both reflect, and pass through the pane of glass at the same time. Either that or the photon has awareness of its external surroundings; it has a mind of its own and decides what it wants to do!

Superposition of state has been experimentally demonstrated via the classic quantum double slit experiment whereby particles, like a photon (but any type of particle will do, like an electron) fired one at a time at two parallel slits, will pass through both slits and thus will interfere with itself and cause a classic wave interference pattern on a target board behind the slits. The only logical conclusion has to be that one particle was in two places at the same time. Personally, I find that absurd, but it's hard to debate hardcore experimental results.

The one flaw I find in that standard pane of glass situation explanation is that if the photon is in two places at the same time, then both the inside reflected image and the external image - the pass through the glass image - should be equally as vivid. Usually the pass through the glass image is the more obvious of the two superimposed images assuming just one light source, say external sunshine, or the reflected image is the stronger, assuming the prime light source is inside, like say at night.

CAUSALITY & CERTAINTY vs. PROBABILITY & CHANCE

I need state the obvious here - all photons are identical; the pane of glass in question is obviously identical to itself. Therefore, knowing that and only that, one could only conclude that when photon meets window pane, one and only one outcome is possible.

We, the observer say the photon has such and such a probability of going through, or being reflected from, the pane of glass. If seven out of ten photons go through the glass window, then there's a 70% probability the next photon will go through. Wrong. As far as that photon is concerned, we, the observer, are irrelevant, and it's 100% certain to either go through the glass or be reflected by the glass. We can be pretty damn sure that a group of photons won't gather together in the middle of the glass pane and do an impromptu performance of a Wagnerian opera. There's no probability involved. It's one or the other. There's no superposition of state. The photons aren't in two places at once - passing through and being reflected.

Another way we can be sure causality is operating, albeit going up one level, is that every time you go to the inside of your window pane looking outside, you see both outside and a faint reflection of you and the interior. Not once in a while; not sometimes 100% outside and no reflection; not sometimes a 100% reflection but you can't see outside (your window isn't a mirror after all), but 100% of the time, each and every time, you see both the exterior outside the pane and the interior reflected inside the pane.

SUMMARY, DISCUSSION & RESOLUTIONS

In summary here, some photons from the inside pass through a pane of glass to the outside; some outside photons pass through that glass to the inside; some photons from the inside reflect off the glass back inside and some outside photons reflect off the glass back outside. The big question is, how does the photon decide what to do? Here comes Ms. Photon heading toward the pane of glass. She has to make up her mind whether to pass on through or reflect back: decisions, decisions. To reflect, or not to reflect, that is the question! IMHO, photons should all go through, or all reflect, from the same pane of clear glass at the same time.

We note from the outset that the glass hasn't been tinted or polarized - not that that would alter the general picture. What we have here is just an ordinary pane of glass.

Further, no external forces are apparently at work here. Both the photons and the glass are electrically neutral. Gravity plays no role and the strong and the weak nuclear forces are only applicable inside atomic nuclei.

To make a long story shorter, causality rules IMHO! Photons are not in a state of superposition; they are not in two places at the same time. Clearly photons are not in a position to 'know' anything. Photons have no decision-making apparatus; they have no consciousness of any kind, no free will to be or not to be. That can be demonstrated by adding a little extra thickness and/or density and/or energy.

But first, one could easily suggest that since even seemingly 'solid' stuff is 99.999% empty space, that a photon passing through the glass is passing through that entire void, and a photon reflected has hit a glass molecule and bounced back. One exception to that is that the reflection takes place at the surface of the glass pane, none from the interior of the glass. A second exception would be that reflections off of a solid molecular bit in the mainly empty glass pane would be totally scattered in many directions which is what we don't see. Basic optics - the angle of incidence equals the angle of reflection. Yet clearly if photons are being reflected, they are bouncing off something. Or, perhaps they are being absorbed by the electrons within the glass matrix and then re-emitted, though the photon that's re-emitted might not be the exact same photon - but that's of no consequence since all photons are identical.

We note that the greater the thickness or the greater the density the more the pass through to reflection ratio changes. If you look through the exact same pane of glass, but this time edgewise, no photons pass through from one edge to the other edge. The X-ray case study above shows the role of increasing density. Both are an illustration that ultimately things become so thick and/or so dense that while there might not be total reflection, there would be any pass though either. The option for the photon might then be reflection vs. partial penetration. Of course that in itself doesn't explain the either this or that option the photon takes, at least until such time that it becomes one or the other. In a vacuum it's 100% pass through and 0% reflection; in the case of a metre thick lump of lead, a light photon will 100% reflect and 0% pass through. Restrictions placed in the photon's way by density and thickness just tends to confirm an earlier notation that stuff is 99.999% void such that pass through equals boldly going through that void; reflection is a collision with that rare bit of stuff that sometimes gets in your way.

But that's not the entire story. Thickness is also related to opaqueness though they are not the same thing. Photons can pass through Earth's entire atmosphere from the fringes of outer space to ground level, yet if you dab a smear of black paint on your pane of glass, well that will strop the photons from passing through albeit black paint is a lot less thick than the Earth's atmosphere.

Energy plays a role too. X-ray photons are more energetic than visible light photons, which is why X-rays are better for detecting structural flaws (like tooth cavities and bone micro-fractures) which are concealed by external surfaces which are opaque to light.

Air and glass are transparent to light photons, but are generally fairly opaque to the less energetic infrared photons. That's the general principle or concept behind both the botanical greenhouse and the environmental greenhouse effect, although in the later case not all the components found in air are equally as opaque.

Ultimately invoking variations in properties like density, thickness, energy levels and opaqueness doesn't totally explain why identical particles, with all other factors being equal too, have this Jekyll and Hyde property whereby some do and some don't; some will and some won't.

But we see that while things aren't totally explained yet, we're well on the way to determining the real factors that decide the photon's fate, and it's not photon's free will either.

    What if light is wave and not particle (photon), would that alleviate your quantum pain?

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    Akinbo,

    No, that wouldn't cut the mustard since in each and every physics book I've looked at, the photon has been defined as a particle. The photon is part and parcel of the standard model of particle physics. The photon might wave, but my hand can wave too and it's not a wave-wave. Regarding the particle nature of photons, there's the photoelectric effect. Photons have been used in entanglement experiments. Photons have been fired one at a time in double-slit experiments. An electron migrates to a higher energy level or orbit because it absorbs a photon. I somehow think that eliminating the particle nature of a photon from physics as we know it would cause so much despair among the physics profession that - well perhaps we'd better not cause any undue angst. We wouldn't want to be responsible for any unfortunate incidents.

    John Prytz

    QUANTUM PHYSICS: PROBABILITY vs. CERTAINTY

    It is absolutely impossible to read any popular account on quantum physics without running into the words "probability" or "uncertainty" if not in each and every paragraph, then at least on each and every page. Quantum physics and probability fit together like a left hand and a left handed glove! But it's all bovine fertilizer since the concept of probability is a human concept that has no real application in Mother Nature's realm.

    It is claimed that quantum physics is based not on certainty (i.e. - causality) but on probability, and therefore Mother Nature places the cosmos ultimately under wraps, under a restriction that there just are some secrets that are Hers and Hers alone to know, and not for us mere mortals. However, truth be known, Mother Nature is just as restrictive at times even when probability doesn't enter into the equation. Therefore, quantum physics isn't some be-all-and-end-all of failing to come to terms with cosmic certainties. In any event, the concept of probability is a human concept, and quantum physics pre-dates human concepts. Quantum physics maybe full of probabilities to us mortals, but not to Mother Nature.

    Probability and quantum physics: the issue here is not whether quantum physics works - it's been proven 100% accurate down to the 12th decimal place and then some. It is ultimately responsible for over 1/3rd of the global economy in technological gizmos and applications. The issue is rather does quantum physics play the game and operate under fixed and final rules of causality or does it play by its own on-a-whim 'rules' which aren't really rules since they are meant to be broken.

    Either causality operates or it doesn't. If it does, then quantum physics does not, cannot, strut its stuff willy-nilly without any cause-and-effect in operation. If causality doesn't operate then certainty doesn't operate at any level since the certainty we associate with the macro is built on the uncertainty of the micro.

    Quantum uncertainty, or the opposite side of the coin, probability, is usually made explicit by the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle which basically states that through no fault of your own or your instrumentation, it is literally impossible to know various contrasting properties about a fundamental particle. The more you pin down and know about one property, the fuzzier another property becomes, and vice versa. You can never know both properties absolutely to a 100% certainty. In fact you can never know either property to the 100% certainty level. That's because the very act of observing or of measuring changes the properties that you are trying to observe or measure. Mother Nature has forced or placed this not-to-be-negotiated and no-correspondence-will-be-entered-into restriction on you, the observer, or on your sidekick, your measuring gizmo. So there! Or is it really so? The key is that you, the observer, or your measuring doohickie device, is in the bloody way. You can't know the precise state of affairs of the system you are interested in if you are part of that system. You are not part of the solution; you are the problem!

    Probability is nothing more than a statement that you, the human you, don't know something for absolute certain. That's it. Once you find out for certain, it's no longer probability but certainty. If you can't find out, and the very act of observing or measuring can alter the properties of what you are trying to observe or measure (and that's really what the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is all about), what transpires or eventuates if there is no observation or measurement?

    In every definition or explanation I've ever seen about the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle it is either implied o explicitly stated that an observer and/or measurement is being attempted or considered.

    Probability remains probability if you can't ever know in practice or even in theory. However, one can postulate that an omniscient (all-knowing) deity must know all things not only in practice but in theory too. No person who believes in an all-knowing God could put any stock in quantum physics as operating in the realm of probability; ditto the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. However, I really don't need to go down that pathway since I state with certainty that there is no God, all-knowing or otherwise.

    Even if you don't know, but it is possible to know in theory, well that too results in at least theoretical certainty.

    But what if it is not possible to know, even in theory, a.k.a. the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle? Well, that too, doesn't of necessity rule in probability and rule out certainty.

    As another example of so-called quantum probability, take radioactive decay which is alleged to be lacking is causality - it happens for no reason at all. As far as an observer is concerned, a radioactive atom, or its nucleus, will decay, but exactly when and under what conditions is unpredictable, maybe in 10 seconds, maybe not for a billion years. It's all probability.

    This is an example of Mother Nature hiding skeletons in Her closet. The observer is thwarted in coming to terms with radioactive decay other than through, or by computing, probabilities. Therefore, quantum physics is probability. But that's only if you accept the lack of causality premise. I totally reject that and suggest that radioactive decay does have a cause - we just don't know what it is. Thanks to Mother Nature's closet, we are restricted or prevented with absolutes or limitations to our vision of reality. There are lots of examples of skeletons in Mother Nature's closet that don't involve probability (see below), so why should radioactive decay be an exception to the rule?

    If a human observer is present, she might say based on computing probabilities, that the radioactive atomic nucleus has a 50-50 chance of going poof in one hour. But, if there is no human observer, the radioactive nucleus will go poof (absolutely certain) - eventually. There's no probability involved because there are no artificial time units involved - time units are a human concept or invention not part of Mother Nature's vocabulary. So probability in quantum physics is observer dependent (or dependent on there being an observer) - no observer, no probability, just certainty.

    Mother Nature has imposed lots of other absolutes or limitations on us. Jump into a Black Hole and you're not coming out again, even if you were born on Krypton. No probability here.

    You cannot travel at the speed of light - period! No probability here.

    If you are inside a closed room (no windows) you have no way of telling if you are on Earth and in Earth's 1-G gravity field or in space being accelerated at 1-G. No probability here.

    Akin to the above, you have no sense of motion while you are sitting comfortably on your sofa. Yet, the Earth is spinning on its axis; the Earth is orbiting around the Sun; the Sun is orbiting around the Milky Way Galaxy; and the Milky Way Galaxy and the Andromeda Galaxy are on a collision course (relax, not to intersect for another five billion years). Equally, if you were in a spaceship with no windows (no fair peeking outside), and that spaceship were travelling at a constant rate of speed, you wouldn't feel it and thus you wouldn't be aware that you we travelling at a rapid rate of knots. No probability here.

    Mother Nature doesn't require you to be hatched; She does require you to die. No probability here.

    You are on a train stopped at the railway station. On your left is another train also stopped at the railway station. That other train starts moving to your rear, or, are you moving forward leaving the other train behind. Which is it? It's soon going to be obvious, but just for a few seconds, you didn't know. If all that existed were just the two trains and you with no other frames of reference, you'd never know if the other train was moving, or if your train was moving, or both. No probability here.

    You cannot observe any part of the Universe that resides over the horizon that marks the observable boundary that contains the observable Universe (just like you can not observe a ship that has sailed over the horizon of the spherical Earth). No probability here.

    When you look out into the night sky at the distant stars and galaxies, you are looking back in time, since it takes time for the light of those objects to reach us. But you cannot observe the cosmos further back than 300,000 years post that Big Bang event. That's because the cosmos was still too thick with stuff to allow viewing. It's akin to the fact that you cannot view the centre of the Sun because there's too much sun-stuff in the way. In fact it takes extremely lengthy amounts of time for a photon to struggle its way from the centre to the surface of the Sun. So, 300,000 years is the limit, which is why it's nonsense for cosmologists to dictate with absolute certainty what the structure and substance of the Universe was like prior to that time, especially that nonsense that a nanosecond after the Big Bang the Universe was just the size of a pinhead - they are just guesstimating and bad guesstimating at that. No probability here.

    You cannot change the past. No probability here.

    You cannot build a perpetual motion machine. Many have tried; all have failed. No patent office will grant you a patent for one. They know better. No probability here.

    Finally, without our modern technology, the 'Naked Ape' could not detect gamma rays, or X-rays, or radio waves, or microwaves, cosmic rays, neutrinos, and a host of other bits and pieces that are part and parcel of the Universe. No probability here.

    So you see that Mother Nature has imposed all manner of absolute obstacles in our way of looking up her skirt and uncovering her 'private' nature as it were. That doesn't mean the anatomy doesn't exist, only we're not allowed to peek and there's not a damn thing we can do about it. So, her anatomy is uncertain or probably is this, or that or the next thing but only to us, the wannabe observer.

    Finally, consider and reconsider the quantum mantra: Anything that isn't forbidden is compulsory; anything that can happen will happen. Does that sound like a probability statement to you?

    In summary and in conclusion, references to quantum physics are full of the word "probability". They are also filled with terms linking probability to someone like me or to someone like you - an observer. Remove or eliminate the observer and you remove or eliminate the probability in quantum probability.

    CAUSALITY: FOUNDED ON BEDROCK, OR IN QUICKSAND?

    Every effect has a natural cause which preceded it in time. You live your entire life confident in the reality of that principle. If you do (or don't do) such-and-such, a further down-the-track such-and-such will (or won't) happen. If any violation of that principle happened to you, you'd come to doubt your reality, thinking instead you'd entered "The Twilight Zone" or the world of "Alice in Wonderland"! Yet, sometimes scientists will tell you that something happens for no reason at all.

    The logical connection between cause and effect (causality) is one of the, if not the, most fundamental principles in the physical sciences*. If A happens, B follows. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. If an electron meets a positron - ka-boom! If sodium reacts with chlorine, you get table salt - not some of the time, but all of the time. Stars larger than a certain mass will end their stellar lives in a supernovae explosion. Solar and lunar eclipses, the tides, sunrises and sunsets can be determined with high accuracy mega-centuries in advance. You'd be in shock if you fired a bullet at a piece of tissue paper and it bounced back off and hit you, to say nothing of firing up the kettle for your morning coffee only to find ice inside instead of boiling hot water afterwards. Our entire lives are based around the certainty and predictability of causality. If things happen, they happen for a reason, even unusual or unexpected things. See, you weren't aware of the steel plate behind the tissue paper, or that your better half played an elaborate joke on you having previously stashed an identical kettle in the fridge and performed some slight-of-hand! Anyway, and easily verifiable, you'll see that physical science textbooks contain many thousands of examples of everyday, and not so everyday, cause and effect situations.

    Causality is to me at least, a 100% certainty relationship. It's not a 99.99% of the time relationship. That is, if A happens, B follows. If B happens, C follows. If C happens, D follows. Causality is not a case of if A happens, B or C follows. If C happens, D maybe follows. Now it doesn't matter to me that causality can be reversed - if A happens, B follows. If B happens, A follows. That's allowable because at the micro level the laws of physics aren't time dependent. An electron and a positron can annihilate and form energy (in the guise of a gamma photon). A gamma photon can spontaneously form an electron-positron pair.

    That 100% causality certainty suggests the following. There must be such a thing as predetermined or predestined outcomes. In the beginning were created trillions upon trillions upon trillions of matter particles (electrons, etc.) and force particles (like photons). They were all set in motion - in specific directions with specific velocities. The relationships between all of the elementary particles are fixed, and we call them the physical constants. The particles are fixed. The velocities and directions are fixed. The relationships are fixed - All else follows. Particle A has fixed properties. Particle B has fixed properties. The relationship between particles of the A kind and of the B kind are fixed. Particle A meets particle B. If causality is fundamental, the outcome is 100% fixed; 100% certain. Thus, the initial 'in the beginning' set of conditions, once set in motion, will produce with 100% certainty, right on down the line, the exact sort of world or Universe we experience today. At the time of 'in the beginning', you became an inevitability. At least that's one philosophy, but one I suggest must be so if causality is a valid concept.

    As a generalization, all of biology is ultimately based on chemistry. Chemistry is ultimately based on physics. Physics, at its fundamental core, is structured around mathematics and equations. Equations tend to equate things - obviously. Say 1 1 = 2, which in effect says if you cause two separate objects to come into an association, the effect is two objects in association with each other! Equations are also prediction devices. If you know the values of A, B, and C, you can predict D. If you then measure D, you find prediction (theory) and reality (fact) match - not every now and again, not only on weekends and public holidays, but all of the time. If you solve for D, knowing A, B, and C, you will have 100% confidence that in reality D is what you calculate it to be. That confidence can only arise if cause and effect operate 100% of the time. If cause and effect did not operate 100% of the time, then to use a well known literary example, Winston Smith could indeed believe that 2 2 = 5 and wouldn't have to rely on Big Brother to ram the point home.

    So, it's surprising that there are those who suggest that sometimes things happen for no reason at all, like the origin of the Universe. First there was nothing; then there was something! Another example often given is an unstable radioactive atom, say an atom of uranium. It can remain in an unstable state for aeons, then go 'poof', and for no [apparent] reason. I insert 'apparent' because I refuse to accept that the uranium atom goes 'poof' for absolutely no reason at all. But it is puzzling in that you could have two identical uranium atoms, sitting side by side, and one goes 'poof' and the other does not.

    But then, let's look at a macro case. Say we have two identical twins standing side-by-side. All of a sudden one keels over dead - the other doesn't. Would you consider that mysterious? Probably not, as an autopsy might reveal that the one who kicked the bucket had a heart attack.

    So, what about those two side-by-side 'identical' uranium atoms where one goes 'poof' and one doesn't go 'poof'. Did it happen for no reason? Unfortunately, it's way more difficult to perform an autopsy on a 'poof-ed' uranium atom, but that doesn't mean that it didn't suffer the micro equivalent of a heart attack. I think the alternative to the 'no reason' argument is that there was some, ever so subtle and maybe in-deterministic quantum event that triggered the 'poof' in one. Perhaps something caused the phenomena called 'quantum tunnelling' inside the uranium atom's nucleus forcing it to spit out an alpha or beta particle or maybe a gamma ray. The escape, the 'poof', turned the previously unstable radioactive atom into a stable non-radioactive atom. As a best guess, maybe the uranium atom that went 'poof' had its nucleus hit by a passing neutrino or cosmic ray that triggered the quantum tunnelling that caused the 'poof'. We may never know exactly what that something was, but it was a something, not a nothing.

    Akin to the radioactive atom example, there are those who suggest that quantum physics have undermined causality. That's because in quantum physics one of the central planks is the uncertainty principle, better termed the Principle of Indeterminacy in the professional literature. In effect, the guts are that the very act of measuring something changes the characteristic(s) or nature of what you are trying to measure. A macro example would be you wanting to measure the temperature of your cup of coffee. Alas, sticking a thermometer into the cup in itself changes the temperature from what it was before you stuck the thermometer in.

    A micro example - say there's this electron travelling along minding its own business, and say you want to stick your nose into its business by wanting to know where it is now, how fast it's travelling, and in what direction its heading. Now to detect this electron, something else has be interact with both the electron (firstly) and hence with you (or more likely as not your recording or measuring instrument). Unfortunately, that interaction with the electron, say a photon hitting it and then the deflected photon being detected by you (or your instrument), knocks the electron away from the position it was in, changes its velocity and its direction or pathway you were interested in. You now ain't got a clue where the electron is which is what you were trying to establish in the first place. Ultimately, the position, a combination of its velocity and pathway, become only a probable or possible or indeterminate or uncertain or even, to our perception, a random one. There's a certain probability the electron is now within a certain range; a higher probability or certainty it's within a larger range and a even greater probability it's within an even greater range. Probably the only thing you're 100% certain about is that it's somewhere in the Universe! So even though you can't know exactly where the electron is to the Nth degree, it's somewhere and it's in an exact place (has coordinates) and has a pathway, and there's a reason behind it. That's a micro example of say a small marble hitting a large marble and deflecting the large marble's position, velocity and direction. There's still cause and effect in operation.

    What about the duality nature of light? Sometimes light (photons) acts like a wave, sometimes like a particle. [The same applies to other fundamental particles, like electrons.] Even though this is considered strange doings (to us anyway used to nature in the macro realm), there's still no violation of causality. Identical experiments, regardless who, where or when performed, produce identical results. It's just that experiment #1, #3 and #5 produce wave-like behaviour 100% of the time, and experiment #2, #4 and #6 produce particle-like behaviour, again, 100% of the time. If a total novice comes along and does experiment #2, you can bet particle-like behaviour will result. Confusing? Yes. Do we have a long road ahead of us before we come to terms with this duality and what nature is trying to tell us? Yes. Is wave/particle duality a violation of causality? No.

    In physics, students sooner or later learn about Maxwell's demon. That's a little feller that sits inside a box filled with say molecules of carbon dioxide at standard temperature and pressure. There's a partition in the middle of the box with a hole and a lid covering the hole. Now these molecules are moving about at different velocities. It's the job of the demon to open the lid covering the hole whenever a carbon dioxide molecule with an above average velocity moves from the left side of the box to the right side. And the demon opens the lid whenever a slower than average molecule is moving from the right side to the left side. The upshot of that, is that because molecular velocity is just temperature, the right side of the box will get warmer; the left side will get cooler, even though at the start the box was a uniform temperature. Now if that actually happened, you'd be pretty amazed, for its contrary to what we associate cause and effect to be. But, there's no violation of physical law here. Now and again, something highly improbable can, and does, happen. By chance, you could have a situation where faster moving molecules just happen to all tend to move to the right and slower moving molecules move to the left. Causality is preserved.

    Another case could be that all the molecules happen to move in the same direction at the same time and all end up in one corner of the box. Again, it's highly improbable, but not impossible. And again, there's no violation of cause and effect. Just like there is no violation of causality of you get dealt a royal flush! To a golfer, a hole-in-one is rare, an unexpected and unpredictable and random event, but it doesn't violate causality. Ditto the breaking up of a rack of billiard balls with the cue ball and having them all go into various pockets. In either case, golf or billiards, if the initial conditions or circumstances that led up to the hole-in-one or pocketing all the balls in one shot are repeated, exactly repeated down to the Nth detail, the outcome the next time around will be identical. Cause and effect are 100% repeatable under identical conditions. Change the conditions (the cause) and you change the effect.

    These above two examples are summed up by the quantum mantra that if it's not forbidden, it's compulsory - at least if you wait long enough. Of course in the case of the box and the carbon dioxide molecules, although the outcomes suggested will come to pass, you might have to wait multi-billions of years to observe it - probably even longer!

    To hammer home the point, just because something is expressed in probabilities (events that can appear to be random but ultimately have patterns) doesn't mean causality doesn't operate - we just don't have enough of the necessary details, and to the necessary level of precision, down to the degree required to predict with as close to 100% certainty as makes no odds. That's unavoidable in the micro world. Absolute prediction in the macro world is often a theoretical luxury, but still, in theory, one can come to terms with it. Take a dice - if you knew exactly its initial position when tossed, its trajectory, its rotation rate, the exact condition of atmospheric parameters (temperature, pressure, viscosity, air currents, etc.), any slight imperfections in the cubic shape, and so on and so on, you could predict with confidence what number would come up - but not to the extent of 100% - always expect unexpected chaos, some factor(s) you hadn't anticipated but perhaps should of! Alas, when you're at the gaming table, trying to calculate all the relevant factors in your head in real time are beyond - well, even a super computer. But, be certain that whatever number does come up that cause and effect determined the outcome. It didn't happen for lack of any reason at all.

    Let's look at another quantum level example. Say we have two pairs of two electrons each, one pair in the Great Galaxy of Andromeda, the other in our own Milky Way Galaxy. In each galaxy respectively, both electrons are approaching each other at the same velocity and at the same angle and since all electrons have the same mass and electric charge, the two electrons should deflect, either as a direct result of a collision (if the velocities are high enough) or because they repel prior to contact because have like charges. I'd suggest, even though this is a quantum level event (probability and uncertainty rule), that in other galaxies, the two electrons will deflect in a 100% identical manner. The cause is identical, thus the effect will be identical.

    Thus far I've been talking about cause and effect as if it were totally a one-to-one relationship. That's not true of course. While there are many ways (causes) to commit suicide - it's only one effect (you're dead). There are numerous ways a deck of cards can be organized (causes) that can deal you a pair of red kings - but the outcome is only one effect. One exact ordering of the deck can not give you a pair of red kings one time and a pair of black kings next time, assuming the same number of players, the same game, and dealing in the same order. Getting back to physics, as Einstein realized, both gravity (cause) and acceleration (cause) can give rise to the same effect; say being pushed back in your seat.

    Because the direction of time (time's arrow) is symmetrical at the micro level - there's no law(s) or principle(s) of physics that demands that time has to flow in one, and only one direction, you can have cases where cause and effect likewise show time symmetry. That is, A can cause B; but B can also cause A. Obvious examples include how an electron and a positron meet and annihilate producing energy. Or, energy can produce an electron-positron pair. Familiar examples happen all the time in chemistry, where chemical reactions are reversible. An atom of oxygen can combine with an atom of carbon to form carbon monoxide. Or, a molecule of carbon monoxide can dissociate back into carbon and oxygen. In either case, causality operates.

    Sometimes you need two causes to produce one effect. Say you need this pill and that pill to treat one disease.

    Can one cause give rise to a multitude of effects? - At a simple and fundamental level, probably not. In physics you usually associate one cause with one repeatable effect. A common example is the Doppler Effect - a racing ambulance or police car or fire engine with sirens going full blast passes you (cause) as you're standing on the side-walk. You hear a higher than normal note as the vehicle approaches you, and a sudden drop to a lower note as the vehicle passes you and recedes into the distance. That sudden change is the effect. Another not so common example, given above, an electron meets a positron (cause), and ka-boom (effect). In chemistry, two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen make water. That's it. Of course cause and effect can be reversed. One can break down water (cause) into hydrogen and oxygen in a two to one ratio.

    However, in more complex systems, one cause can give rise to lots of repercussions. For example, an asteroid impacts Planet Earth 65 millions years ago. One effect is a large crater in the planet. Another effect is the demise of non-avian dinosaurs (and other species as well). A third effect is a layer or iridium at the Cretaceous-Tertiary boundary.

    The cause of the dinosaur's demise ultimately gave an effect - the rise of the mammals and humans as the dominate life forms on the planet. Humans of course have in turn produced many other effects on the planet, all of which would have been bypassed had that asteroid missed us all those millions of years ago!

    A viral infection (cause) can give rise to a fever (effect), and a sore throat (effect), and chills (effect), and a runny nose (effect), and sneezing (effect), etc.

    Of course one cause can result in a chain reaction or a snowballing effect or the butterfly effect. One particle (initial cause) impacts a nucleus (effect) which then spews out more particles (a cause) which hits more nuclei which sends out even more particles hitting more nuclei until you have a runaway chain reaction, which, if it happens fast enough is the explosion (final effect) of an atomic bomb.

    A butterfly flapping its wings (cause) at location X can produce an air current which reinforces an existing air current which continues on down the line to ultimately produce a drought (effect) in location Y and a typhoon (2nd effect) that hits location Z.

    I maintain you can't have an effect without a cause, but can you have a cause without an effect - can something happen without affecting anything else? Put this way, say a cause has an effect - could that effect in turn have no further influence on anything, any time? While such incidents would be rare indeed, IMHO, I can imagine possible scenarios. One example that comes to mind is an isolated proton in the remote void of outer space that disintegrates or decays into an electron, a neutron and an anti-neutrino. It's certainly possible that any one of the three effects, the neutron, the electron or the anti-neutrino could in theory travel throughout the void for all eternity without ever coming into any association with anything else, just because in the void, 'anything else' is so few and far between that it's possible for something to keep on keeping on - an ultimate micro hermit.

    One can have a lot of fun playing around with causality, but it's like playing a game within the rules. Playing the game without any rules, without any causality, only produces chaos.

    Conclusion: I think the fundamental difference here is, is that when some people use the word "chance", they mean something happened for no reason - no causality - and there is no underlying fine print. I would argue that causality still exists; the fine print exists, we just don't see it; haven't discovered it, or fully understand it yet. My notion of the fine print; that undiscovered country; the details, apply whether to a macro system or to a micro (quantum) system. What the fine print is not, IMHO, is a god or equivalent.

    *In the biological sciences, even under the most tightly controlled laboratory conditions of temperature and pressure, etc., the experimental organism will do what it damn well pleases! (Nudge, nudge; wink, wink.)

    8 days later

    THE MANY POTENTIAL LIVES OF RADIOACTIVITY

    When you study radioactivity in high school or anything that relates to radioactive dating, you're drilled in the fact that any and every radioactive (unstable) nuclei decay at a fixed mathematical rate called the half-life. Each 'brand' of nuclei has its own half-life that's applicable or unique to those particular nuclei. What's probably not drilled into you is that unstable nuclei decay for no reason at all and that tends to make a bit of a hash of the half-life relationship which in turn can't be explained. Something is screwy somewhere.

    Is there a relationship between causality and radioactive decay and the precise pattern to that decay? Why is this important or interesting? Because, at least in IMHO, there's something screwy somewhere between the three that needs resolution. Radioactivity - exactly when something decays, in this case unstable (i.e. - radioactive) nuclei, is totally random. There is no rhyme or reason for the when. There is no cause according to quantum or particle physicists; therefore there should be no pattern according to me. If, contrary to scientific opinion, cause and effect operate at the quantum level (the micro realm where unstable nuclei go poof) then there are plausible mechanisms, again according to me*, that could account for a pattern - the half-life pattern - which is what we observe. So there's a conflict here, or as I have stated, there's something screwy somewhere.

    The central theme here is why do unstable nuclei decay according to a precise mathematical relationship termed the half-life? The weak nuclear force explains what happens in radioactive decay and how it happens but not why it happens when it happens. There are potentially dozens of other precise mathematical possibilities, and a near infinite ones if you abandon any mathematical symmetry altogether. Let's explore a few of those.

    For the sake of what follows, let's assume a barrel full of 1000 marbles. Each marble represents one of the 1000 identical unstable radioactive nuclei 'marbles' or atomic 'marbles' that sooner or later will go poof and decay giving off, radioactivity - Alpha, Beta and/or Gamma Rays. The barrel is just to keep all of them in place - say like a 1000 atom lump of uranium. The decay or the poof will originate when someone removes a marble or the marble from the barrel.

    Now how many ways can one remove marbles from the barrel - how many ways can unstable radioactive nuclei be made to decay.

    For the standard half-life relationship to hold, you are restricted to pulling out half of the marbles that are in the barrel per fixed unit of time. You remove one half of the original lot of 1000 marbles per unit of time; then one half of the remaining 500 marbles per unit of time; then one half of the remaining 250 marbles per unit of time; then one half of the remaining 125 marbles, and so on and so forth - 62, 31, 16, 8, 4, 2, 1 and finally all 1000 marbles have been removed and there is no more instability left. All the 1000 radioactive atoms have now gone poof and decayed. You can plot that on a graph and get a nice pattern. That's what's in the textbooks.

    Since the half-life works on an ever diminishing scale, one-half of the original, then one-half of what remains, then one-half of what remains after that, and so on, why that and why not other possible but similar relationships?

    What about three-quarter lives? If you start with 1000 unstable marbles, after one unit of time you decay 750, leaving 250. Three-quarters of 250 is 188 that bite the dust after another identical interval of time leaving 62 to go. Three-quarters of 62 is 46 more who have decayed. That just leaves 16 radioactive marbles in the barrel. 12 of them go poof in the next time interval, leaving a bare quartet. One more time interval sees just one lone radioactive marble left, which of course will give up the ghost in the next (and final) time interval.

    Now what about two-third lives? If you start with 1000 unstable marbles, after one unit of time you decay 667, leaving 333. Two-thirds of 333 are 222 that bite the dust after another identical interval of time leaving 111 to go. Two-thirds of 111 are 74 more who have decayed. That just leaves 37 radioactive marbles in the barrel. 25 of those go poof in the next time interval, leaving a bare 12. One more time interval sees just four lone radioactive marbles left, three of which of course will give up the ghost in the next to last round, the lone and final survivor going down the gurgler in that next (and final) time interval.

    For another example, why a one-half life relationship in favour of an ongoing diminishing reciprocal to the above one-third relationship? Remove one-third of the 1000 marbles leaves 667. One-third now removed from those 667 leaves behind 445 'radioactive' marbles. Remove one-third of those 445 marbles and you're left with 297. One-third taken away from 297 leaves 198, then 132, then 88, then 59, then 39, then 26, then 17, then 11, then 7, then 5, then 3, then 2, then one is left which goes poof at that last pick of the draw; in that final unit of uniform time.

    In a similar sort of exercise to a third-life, you can substitute the standard half-life for a quarter-life (1000, 750, 562, 421, 316, etc.) or a half-life for a fifth-life (1000, 800, 640, 512, 410, etc.).

    Another variation on the theme might revolve around why does not Mother Nature decide, per fixed unit of time, on one-half of the original then one-third of the remaining then one-quarter of what remains after that, hence one-fifth, one-sixth, etc. In our 1000 marble in the barrel analogy, that's one-half of the 1000 removed or 500 left, then one-third removed of the 500 or 333 remain, then one-quarter removed of the remaining 333 leaves 250 remaining, then one-fifth removal of the 250 leaves 200 remaining, then remove one-sixth of the 200 leaves 167, and so on down the diminishing line.

    Or what about an inverse square relationship which is a common relationship in physics. So the diminishing relationship is one quarter, followed by one ninth of what remains, followed by one sixteenth of that, followed by one twenty-fifth, followed by one thirty-sixth, etc. That is, start with 1000 marbles, then removing one quarter of those 1000 leaves 750, then removing one ninth of those 750 leaves 667, and removing one sixteenth of those 667 leaves 625, then removing one twenty-fifth of those 625 leaves 600, then removing one thirty-sixth of those 600 leaves 583, and so on. Why didn't Mother Nature opt for that mathematical relationship for radioactive decay?

    Now consider the near infinite number of alternatives or possibilities.

    You could grab out all 1000 marbles in one fell swoop.

    You could equally grab out 500, catch your breath, then grab out 500 more.

    You could pull out 1 or 2 or 5 or 10, etc. marbles per unit of time. From say the initial 1000, pull out 25 each grab: 1000, 975, 950, 925, 900, 875, etc. Or, one could pull out any random number of marbles every 25 seconds.

    You could pull out 1, then 2 then 3 then 4 then 5, etc. per unit of time. Starting with 1000, you'd have 1000, 999, 997, 994; 900; 985; 979; 972, etc. Or, pull out 1, then 2 then 4 then 8 then 16 then 32 then 64, etc. doubling each time. Or 1, then 4, then 9, then 16, then 25, then 36 more, then 47 more, then 64 more, then 81 more, then 100 more, etc., the squares of 1, 2, 3, etc. Or there's the cubes of 1, 2 3, etc. - 1, 8, 27, 64, 125 and so on until all the marbles have been grabbed. Another relationship could be pulling out 1, then 2 more, then 3 more, then 5 more, then 8 more, then 13 more, then 21 more, then grab another 34, then another 55, etc. where what you grab out is the sum of the previous two grabs. Then there are the primes - grab 1, then 2 then 3 then 5 then 7 then 11 then 13 then 17, etc. There's no end to the possible mathematically related sequences that have nothing to do with a half-life.

    If radioactive nuclei go poof for absolutely no reason at all - there's no cause for the effect - as scientists claim**, then all radioactive nuclei decay should be absolutely random. It just so happens that mathematically the most probable way is a totally random way, a totally random selection of marbles from the barrel since there are way more ways of doing something (removing marbles from the barrel) randomly than doing something by the mathematical book - engineering some precise mathematical relationship that one can put down in equation form and graph as a symmetrical line or curve.

    Take say two decks of cards, each numbered 1 to 52 and each shuffled well - then each shuffled again. A randomly chosen card from Deck A decides the number of marbles to be removed; a randomly chosen card from Deck B decides the time before you remove them. Picked cards are re-entered back into their respective decks and the decks shuffled again.

    Now this is just a convenient-sized quasi-random number generator one can apply to our 1000 'radioactive' marble sample. In reality, the first 'deck of cards' would have to represent every possible positive whole number, and the second time generator 'deck of cards' every possible increment of the smallest possible time unit - the Planck unit of time - in which anything meaningful can take place, like a nucleus decaying and going poof. Both random number generating 'decks' together then can deal with every radioactive nucleus that ever was and is in the entire cosmos.

    Meantime, back to the 1000 marbles in the barrel and the two finite shuffled deck of cards from which numbers of marbles and time frames are picked randomly. I think you'd agree that if you followed the logic of picking and removing the number of marbles from the barrel based on a random shuffling of one deck of cards and doing so at time intervals based on the random shuffling of a second deck of cards, you are unlikely in the extreme to end up with the standard half-life relationship. Something is indeed screwy somewhere.

    In conclusion, if you buy say a 24-can case of beer, there will come a point in time when half the contents (12 cans) have been consumed. But you couldn't call that time interval the half-life of that case of beer since there is no reason to assume that the next six cans (half of the remaining 12 cans) will be consumed in the next identical time interval and the next three cans in an identical time interval following that. The same argument applies to radioactive (unstable) nuclei. The fact that the half-life relationship exists and has been verified in defiance of all that is logical given the lack of causality is suggestive evidence IMHO for the reality of, our reality being; the Simulated (Virtual Reality) Universe scenario. It's all just software programming done from a higher reality.

    * In the nanosecond that separates no decay from decay, something must of happened IMHO to trigger the decay event. I've gone on record elsewhere that a plausible mechanism might be neutrinos slam-banging into unstable nuclei, the impact being the tipping point that triggers the decay event.

    ** Scientists probably conclude that because nothing they do to radioactive nuclei, either chemically or physically makes any difference to the poof rate of that specific type of unstable nuclei. You can hammer them, boil them in oil, piss on them, feed them to bacteria, give them the evil eye, soak them in Holy Water, oxygenate then, play heavy metal music to them, shine a laser beam on them, freeze them, put them in a vacuum, and for all the good those things do, nothing changes.

    Further Reading:

    Malley, Marjorie C.; Radioactivity: A History of A Mysterious Science; Oxford University Press, Oxford; 2011:

    HEISENBERG UNCERTAINTY PRINCIPLE

    Where does the uncertainty reside in the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle? In every definition or description of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle I've come across, it is stated explicitly or implied that there is an observer or stand-in proxies measuring device that's part and parcel of the overall Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle picture.

    A common example of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is that a photon bounces off an electron. The photon enables the observer to 'see' the electron, but that bouncing off bit alters the trajectory of the electron so the electron isn't where the photon that the observer sees says it is - thus the uncertainty.

    Thus, the uncertainty rests with the observer or associated proxies. It's the observer who is uncertain or in a position of uncertainty.

    Now remove the observer from the scenario leaving just the photon and the electron doing their thing. Is there any quantitative or qualitative amount of uncertainty left? If you eliminate or remove the observer then where does that leave the uncertainty? That's not just an academic question since once upon a time the Universe contained no observers and even today 99.99999% of the cosmos is free of observer peeping toms.

    IMHO, once the observer is eliminated from the picture there is no longer any uncertainty inherent in the picture.

    John,

    If a God built the universe as a computer why would she do so? Because she already knew how it would all turn out? (deterministic), or to find out? (uncertain).

    Causality does not imply absolute determinism so also not absolute certainty.

    An observer is then simply a non-special part of the system producing the same outcomes in the same way. We may chase uncertainty down to higher orders, but to resolve it we need a computer the size of the universe, and the outcome state will not be known, until the other possible states finally 'collapse'!

    Why would a God build a computer if the only answer it could produce was already known? Even a deterministic computer game outcome is uncertain, observer or not.

    Best wishes

    Peter

      Peter,

      I have never claimed, ever, that God or any manner of supernatural deity built the Universe as a computer. If you are referring to my ideas about our being in a simulated landscape, part of an overall Simulated (Virtual Reality) Universe, then you will have noted that I have consistently speculated that the Supreme Programmer was/is a mortal, fallible, flesh-and-blood entity - perhaps human; perhaps alien. Just as we have created tens of thousands of simulations, virtual reality landscapes, then so too one level on up the line, we might be in that same boat.

      As to motivations, I've already posted an essay on that subject on the 18th of November 2014 in the Alternative Models of Reality section.

      John Prytz

      John,

      You proposed that removing 'observers' removed uncertainty, which makes the universe fully 'deterministic', so all is 'pre-determined'. That is the very well argued and established logical progression.

      Perhaps you didn't realise that, but I argued that firstly that is not the case, and then in any case there would be no point even if there were some intelligence to pre-determine it.

      Unless you found some OTHER credible motivation?

      Best wishes

      Peter

      Peter,

      Actually I have long since concluded that the cosmos is a deterministic one, and thus we don't have any free will as one of the consequences (see some of my "free will" posts under the topic of Complexity hence the subtopic of Biological Creativity).

      Anyway, my rational is the following, and alas, there's nothing original in this on my part. I'll start with the really real Universe. At the time of the origin or creation of the Universe, that Big Bang event, all of the laws, relationships and principles of physics were set in cement and thus all subsequent events that flowed or evolved out from those flowed out in a deterministic order.

      If we exist in a Simulated (Virtual Reality) Universe, a virtually real cosmos, then one of two scenarios are possible. Firstly we are characters in a video game and someone (the programmer and/or the gamer) is pulling the strings - we are all puppets on a string. He / she / it / they determine who, what, where, when, why and how. We get no say in the matter.

      The other possibility is akin to many of our simulation scenarios. We program in some set of laws, principles and relationships, hit "enter" or "run program" and sit back and see what eventuates. What happens is 100% fixed by those very laws, principles and relationships that were initially programmed in. This is what I call "cast your fate to the wind mode".

      End of story. There are no uncertainties or probabilities apart from those that exist in the minds of the observers, albeit through no fault of their own. In the case of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, eliminate the observers and you eliminate the associated uncertainty because that damn electron is somewhere with fixed coordinates and not in a zillion different places at the same time. If nothing else, the electron knows where it is!

      John Prytz

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