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Tom,

I only wish it was as simple as 'telling the truth' and 'being understood'. But the history of science and of people tells us this is just not the case. I am not opposed to honest critique of any result. But before that is possible, the critic must first understand the claim in the terms and logic in which it is presented -- before a meaningful critique can be meaningful. One thing that I observe in my observations of how people interact is that some seek to understand, while others choose to stobornly refuse to understand. You could probably fill in your own experiences to this picture frame.

You mentioned Perelman and the mathematical results he was able to bring forth outside the mainstream establishment. That is absolutely correct. In mathematics, logical validity is the ONLY criterion. It's the reason why I was drawn to math at a very early age. But it is different in Physics! More than mathematical validity, there is also a dominant 'physical view' that determines if a 'truth' is acceptable or not. I will spear you the many many historical examples of this.

The results in my essay are all mathematically argued and logically valid. But the 'physical view' is 'continuous' rather than 'discrete' and does not use 'energy quanta'. It simply cuts against the grain of most conventional thinking. The reaction to this by physicists is "disbelief" rather than "refutation".

I apologize for takin up space in your forum to engage you in such conversation. Fault my naive view that such an honest and good conversation can occur where ever like motivated people can be found.

Best wishes,

Constantinos

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Dear Tom,

I enjoyed your essay. It was as readable as Barbour's, and quite broad in its approach to answering this question.

Regarding Constantinos, I think that his Properties of Exponential Functions accidentally assumes Bose's Partition Function, and is therefore an incomplete and biased (because it doesn't include identical-particle Maxwell and Pauli-exclusion-particle Fermi statistics) circular argument (if we assume a continuous-like [0,infinity) Bose Partition function, we should get continuous results). He must have a larger fan-base than we have...

Good Luck & Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

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    Constantinos,

    I'm afraid we think quite differently. Though I recognize that "telling the truth" and "being understood" are disjoint, I do not see the virtue in demanding that others understand me on my own terms. The truth is enough. As Sam Goldwyn once said of moviegoers, "If they don't want to come, you can't stop them."

    Mathematics (at least as applied to publication and acceptance of proofs) is absolutely riddled with political and sociological land mines. Why do you think Perelman turned his back on the community, and on mathematics? Frankly, I agree with his choice (though I among most would probably not have the courage to make it), and I definitely hold the opinion that mathematics as well as mathematicians will go further and faster with more production and less self promotion.

    Of course there's a dominant view in the physics community, just as in the mathematics community. Would you complain about it if the dominant view were yours?

    Tom

    Thanks, Ray! It's a high compliment to be compared to Julian Barbour.

    I haven't forgotten about you. I was just reserving time at the end to more enjoy the essays of people with whose work I am somewhat familiar.

    Sorry, my quota of Constantinos-related dialogue is filled for today. :-)

    Best,

    Tom

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    Tom,

    Your response to my last post reflects your muddling politics with reason. There is a fundamental difference between math and physics. Whereas math only claims 'logical certainty' (and so provides a basis for deciding disputes) physics claims the truth of 'what is' our Universe (and so provides a basis for endless disputes). Anticipating your reply, I go on to say that the physicist view of 'what is' is reflected not only in theory but also in interpretation of the experimental data and even the experimental designs and instruments.

    My position is and has been: we cannot know 'what is' and any attempt to do so only leads to more 'metaphysical' wars of attrition. We cannot 'know' what is the Universe in the same way that we cannot 'know' another human being. We can only know our 'measurements' and our 'observations' of 'what is'.

    Do these ratings now make you happier? Or are you still stewing in negativity!

    Best wishes,

    Constantinos

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    You are not right Tomas!

    The Universe is discrete/

    http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/946

      I'm calling an end to this. To barge into my forum and engage in marathon postings without ever once even mentioning my essay, while promoting your own interests, is the very definition of chutzpah.

      The above appears in the wrong thread, but I think it's easy enough to figure out where it belongs.

      Thanks, Jim! you got a thumbs up from me, too.

      Of course the universe is discrete. It's the only one we have. Good luck, Yuri.

      Tom

      Tom,

      Fascinating and well-written essay about the dichotomy between the actions of the observer and nature itself. It is an interesting question whether or not there truly is an objective reality. Highly worthwhile!

      Best wishes,

      Paul

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        Ray,

        Something stuck in my mind about continuation on the half open interval [0, 1) that you associated with the Bose partition function, as distinguished from Fermi statistics. In my ICCS 2006 paper, 3.3 -- 3.4.2, I hinted at an arithmetic strategy to prove the Poincare Conjecture, by a process in which the continuous curve is exchanged for a discrete point on n-dimension Riemannian manifolds. Until I thought about your reply, it had not occured to me to associate these discrete points with massive point particles.

        But just maybe ...

        Tom

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        Hi Tom,

        Thanks for the insight. Some time ago, I started reading this paper and got hung up on Table *. After the smoke of this contest clears, I need to go back, reread it, and try to relate the Poincare conjecture to Bose [0, infinity) and Fermi [0, 1] statistics.

        Have Fun!

        Dr. Cosmic Ray

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        Tom,

        I am sorry your essay did not make it to the final round! After my high rating of your essay I thought for sure you will make it. But Stoica just sneaked past you the last few minutes to bump you off 35. Hard to understand these community ratings, since you have the exact same score as Stoica with even more members voting for you, yet you placed lower! Maybe an appeal is in order?

        The future is as uncertain as this contest was just a day ago. Anything can happen ...

        best wishes,

        Constantinos

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          Constantinos,

          I appreciate that your heart is in the right place. However, I already strongly suspected that I was going to place out of the running in the last couple of days. Why? -- because I voted up two papers (Dolce and Fritz) who I knew deserved to be in the final. Cristi didn't sneak past me; sure, I almost certainly could have maintained position by voting down competitors if I had no conscience.

          Scientific publishing, however (if that is really what we're supposed to be dealing with here) is not -- like the competitive commercial world -- based on shameless self promotion. I warned early against the effect of "sandbagging" the competition, and sacrificing integrity.

          The panel will do what the panel will do; I request no favors. My point is, and always has been, that if FQXi wants to be respected as a science organization, it has to eliminate self promotion, and deal making, as criteria for judging the quality of work.

          Best,

          Tom

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          Tom,

          I couldn't agree with you more! Think of all the fine ideas out there that can't even get to the door and are left to waist in ignonimity!

          best,

          Constantinos

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          Sub: Possibility of manipulation in judging criteria - suggestions for improvement.

          Sir,

          We had filed a complaint to FQXi and Scienticfic American regarding Possibility of manipulation in judging criteria and giving some suggestions for improvement. Acopy of our letter is enclosed for your kind information.

          "We are a non-professional and non-academic entrant to the Essay contest "Is Reality Digital or Analog". Our Essay under the same name was published on 29-12-2010. We were associated with Academic Administration as a part of our profession before retirement. From our experience, we were concerned about the problems and directions of current science. One example is the extended run and up-gradation given to LHC, (which was set up to finally prove that Standard Model and SUSY were wrong), even when Tevatron is closing down. Thus, after retirement, we were more focused on foundational works addressing, in one of its many facets, our understanding of the deep or "ultimate" nature of reality.

          Specifically we were concerned about the blind acceptance of the so-called "established theories" due to the rush for immediate and easy recognition even on the face of contradictions raising questions on the very theories. One example is the questions being raised on the current theories of gravitation after the discovery of Pioneer anomaly. While most students know about MOND, they are not aware of the Pioneer anomaly. Most of the finalists of this contest have either not addressed or insufficiently addressed this question. We hold that gravity is a composite force that stabilizes. This way we can not only explain the Pioneer anomaly and the deflection of the Voyager space-craft, but also the Fly-by anomalies.

          Similarly, we were concerned about the blind acceptance of some concepts, such as inertial mass increase, gravitational waves, Higg's boson, strings, extra-dimensions, etc. Some of these are either non-existent or wrongly explained. For example, we have given a different explanation for ten spatial dimensions. Similarly, we have explained the charge interactions differently from the Coulomb's law. We have defined time, space, number and infinity etc., differently and derived all out formulae from fundamental principles. There are much more, which we had discussed under various threads under different Essays. We are the only entrant who defined "reality" and all other technical terms precisely and strictly used this definition throughout our discussion.

          Though our essay was on foundational concepts and we derived everything from fundamental principles, it was basically alternative physics. Moreover, we are not known in scientific circles because we did not publish our work earlier. Hence it is surprising that even we got a community rating of 3.0 and (12 ratings) and Public Rating of 2.5 (2 ratings). We have no complaints in this regard. However, we have serious reservations about the manner in which the finalists were chosen.

          A set of thirty-five finalists (the "Finalists") have been chosen based on the essays with the top Community ratings that have each received at least ten ratings. The FQXi Members and approved Contest entrants rate the essays as "Community evaluators". Since many of the FQXi Members are also approved Contest entrants, this effectively makes the contestant as the judge for selection of the finalists. This process not only goes against the foundational goals of the Contest, but also leaves itself open for manipulation.

          Most contestants are followers of what they call as "mainstream physics". Thus, they will not be open to encourage revolutionary new ideas because it goes against their personal beliefs either fully (like our essay) or partially (like many other essays that did not find place in the final list. One example is Ms Georgina Parry. There are many more.) The prime reason for such behavior is cultural bias and basic selfish instinct of human beings. Thus, truly foundational essays will be left out of the final list.

          In support of the above, we give a few examples. While there are some really deserving contestants like Mr. Julian Barbour, who really deserve placement in the final listing, the same cannot be said for many others. Mr. Daniele Oriti, who tops the list of finalists, says that whether reality is digital or analog "refers, at least implicitly, to the 'ultimate' nature of reality, the fundamental layer." He admits that "I do not know what this could mean, nor I am at ease with thinking in these terms." Then how could he discuss the issue scientifically? Science is not about beliefs or suppositions. His entire essay exhibits his beliefs and suppositions that are far from scientific descriptions. He admits it when he talks about "speculative scenario". Yet, his essay has been rated as number one by the Community.

          The correspondence between us and Mr. Efthimios Harokopos under his Essay and our comments under the various top ranking finalists show the same pattern. One example is Mr. Paul Halpern. We have raised some fundamental questions under the essay of Mr. Hector Zenil. If the answers to these questions are given, most of the finalists will be rejected. If the idea is to find out the answers to these questions, then also most of the finalists will be rejected.

          The public that read and rated the essays are not just laymen, but intelligent persons following the developments of science. Their views cannot be ignored lightly. Mr. Daniele Oriti, who tops the list of finalists as per community rating, occupies 35th place in public rating. Mr, Tejinder Singth, who is 7th among the list of finalists as per community rating, occupies 25th place in public rating. If public rating is so erroneous, it should be abolished.

          Secondly, the author and interested readers (including FQXi Members, other contest entrants, and the general public) are invited to discuss and comment on the essay. Here personal relationship and lobbying plays an important role. An analysis of the correspondence between various contestants will show that there was hectic lobbying for mutual rating. For example: Eckard Blumschein (Finalist Sl. No. 15) had written on Mar. 15, 2011 to Mr. Ian Durham (Finalist Sl. No. 3) "Since you did not yet answered my question you give me an excuse for not yet voting for you." There are many such examples of open lobbying. One of the first entrants visited most contestants and lobbied for reading his essay. Thus, not only he has received the highest number of posts under his Essay, but has emerged as one of top contenders.

          The above statement gets further strengthened if we look at the voting pattern. More than 100 essays were submitted between Feb.1-15. Of these 21 out of 35 are the finalists. Of these the essays of 14 contestants were published in 5 days between Feb. 14-18. Is it a mere coincidence? For some contestants, maximum rating took place on the last day. For example, on the last date alone, Mr. Paul Halpern rose from 14th place to 5th place, Mr. Donatello Dolce rose from 35th place to 14th place, and Mr. Christian Stoica came into the top 35. All these cannot be coincidental.

          Thirdly, no person is allowed to submit more than one essay to the Contest, regardless if he or she is entering individually or as part of a collaborative essay. Yet, we suspect that some have indulged in such activities. For example, we commented below the essay of one contestant on March 4. We got a reply from the next contestant the same day. The correspondence continued. The original contender has not replied to us. In fact he has only replied twice in 20 posts. This is surprising.

          In view of the above, we request you to kindly review your judging process and forward all essays to an independent screening committee (to which no contestant or their relatives will be empanelled), who will reject the essays that are not up to the mark and select the other essays without any strict restriction on numbers to the final judges panel. This will eliminate the problems and possibilities discussed by us. This will also have the benefit of a two tier independent evaluation.

          Our sole motive for writing this letter is to improve the quality of competition. Hence it should be viewed from the same light".

          Regards,

          Basudeba.

          12 days later

          Dear Tom,

          I am still unable to read your essay. John Merryman told me you did defend SR. Can you please point me to any easily available text that explains to me why Maxwell's equations or perhaps every wave equation requires gamma and its rather paradox interpretation independent of the sign of velocity? I looked in vain into the papers by Voigt, FitzGerald, Larmor, and Lorentz. Elsewhere I found the argument of covariance. However, doesn't this already refer to a relativistic metric with antisymmetric tensors? I would be ready to consider myself just too stupid. However, I guess Von Essen, Van Flandern, Winterberg and many others were or are respected experts. While my essay is pretty independent from this question I would nonetheless appreciate help.

          Regards,

          Eckard