The Discreet Charm of the Discrete by Paul Halpern

Paul,

Incisive argument for holons that led me with the weight of your argument in each direction you took including your holon thrust.

I haven't heard many looks into a dark energy explanation that work.

Quite persuasive and scholarly.

Jim Hoover

Only this Essay and my comment reminding about Holometer

http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/946

Hi dear Prof.Halpern,

Congratulations, the evolution is so important.....quantum spheres.....H....CNO..Hydrospheroids about 3.4billions......CH4 H20 HCN H2C2 NH3....time evolution rotating spinning proprotions.........UNICELLS....differenciation......pluricells.....sponges ..mmedusas.......humans................UNIVERSAL SPHERE.

The encoding is rational simply.

Best Regards and good luck

Steve

Dear Paul,

You are welcome.I liked your essay, it's rational, we need that.

Best Regards

Steve

Hi both,

As part-historian of physics, I feel I have to clear up a myth contained in here. Planck did not introduce the quantum of action (initially written as an epsilon, to be taken to zero) to resolve a problem in the UV part of the spectrum (the bad behaviour predicted by the Rayleigh-Jeans law), but rather with the Wien law, in the infrared part of the spectrum. It was Wien's law that he sought to recover with his own formula for the blackbody energy. It really ought to be called the "infrared catastrophe". The historical evidence points to the fact that Planck was not aware of Rayleigh's analysis when he proposed his idea - Rayleigh's proposal came in June, and Planck's in the October of 1900 - there was no correspondence and no publication at this stage). Also, quite interestingly, the name "ultraviolet catastrophe" wasn't coined until 1911, by Paul Ehrenfest.

Best,

Dean

Dear Paul Halpern

I thoroughly enjoyed your essay, that started with a reference to the much-maligned Lord Kelvin. He also conjectured that the ether is made up of 'knots' which may well describe holons or twistors or the lattice nodes of my own theory. I have tried to show in my in my earlier 2005 Beautiful Universe paper on which my present fqxi paper is based that if these universal building blocks have dielectric properties and angular momentum, their precise mutual interactions may well account for matter, space, radiation and dark matter. Dark energy will be the natural result of the mutual electrostatic repulsion of these nodes, probably self-assembled in an FCC crystal-like configeration. I also proposed experiments to test the graininess of the vacuum. In a fqxi discussion here with Tommaso Bolognesi I proposed a variation of my experiment in which two parrallel standing waves in vacuum may exhibit moire patterns with a phase much larger than the wavelength of the original universal node (or holon - I like the word and will check Koestler's book) length. I would greatly appreciate your reading my papers and hearing your expert reaction.

With best wishes.

Vladimir Tamari

Dear Paul Halpern,

''Hogan and Chou discover, through their holometer experiment, evidence that light's motion follows discrete steps''.

Because of Heisenberg uncertainty the position of photon is uncertain, so you'll never see evidence that light's motion follows discrete steps.

Since you are interested in discrete spacetime, please look here. The hole model of discontinuous spacetime can explain gravitation, inertia and most of the quantum phenomena. How about vacuum holes in your model?(Don't forget to vote(:

Regards

Constantin

Dear Professor Halpern,

Let me start by saying that I enjoyed the mix of the historical with modern conjectural views toward physics displayed by your essay. One question. Have you considered the possible role of The Extended Theories of Gravity in which the cosmos possesses an intrinsic curvature as an alternative to the Standard Model with respect to the many open cosmological questions we now face? I would point you toward Christian Corda's excellent essay as well as own. In my own simple approach, I show that the cosmos must have an intrinsic curvature for a very elementary reason. As for the observations that lead to the DE hypothesis, they have to rate as the most exciting discovery since Hubble.

Have a great day,

Dan

Sorry, that last anon. post was mine.

Dan

Dear Paul,

I enjoyed reading your essay and I like how you use the idea of lowest wavelength fields to discuss discrete aspects of the physical law. Congratulations for the very well-written essay and the profound exploration of the implications of the idea of holons.

Best regards,

Cristi

Dear Paul Halpern,

Twenty years ago, when I heard for the first time of CA, they were used almost like FEM by those who model plasma, heat conduction and the like. Since then I did not get aware of reported convincing benefits. Your essay makes understandable to me chains of more or less speculative hope for foundational insight that might be confirmed in the very far future.

Let me frankly admit that I am ready to accept the big bang as an exiting hypothesis but not yet as proven for good. What about the attribute foundational, I prefer to judge it as did you from experience over centuries. I appreciate that you avoided technicalities that would perhaps anyway not be convincing.

Most appealing to me was your question for upper and lower frequencies of in particular electromagnetic waves. You will certainly not need reading my essay in order to understand that discrete frequencies correspond via cosine transform with continuous functions of temporal or spatial distance and nice versa. Cosine transform differs from Fourier transform in that performing it twice yields the original function. In other words, it is its own inverse.

Not just in CA the notion neighbor plays a role. Hausdorff topology does also consider a neighbor each to the left and to the right. I found out that this is based on a non-Euclidean notion of number and at odds with a lot. For instance, it is to be blame for trouble at zero, for the unwillingness to accept R as sufficient in case of non negative spatial or temporal distance, and even with the usual unilateral attribution of the increment dx to the direction of x.

Regards,

Eckard

Hi Paul,

interesting essay!

You write:

'One measuring of entropy in network theory is the growth of complexity in link structure.'

Are you referring to a specific definition of entropy for networks? Any pointers? Would this be something like the log of the number of graph automorphisms?

You also write:

'Given the promise of simple, discrete algorithms, it is interesting to consider a dynamic digital model of fundamental interactions based on holon states. Because holons would have the minimal wavelength of all fields, they might be thought of as 'cells' in a dynamic grid. It is possible that simple digital rules, akin to SDCA algorithms, could transform both the values (quantum states, such as polarization) and linkage of sites. This would render this stratum geometrically dynamic, offering a digital basis for distortions in spacetime'.

I am interested in SDCA type of models, where interconnection patterns evolve, although I claim that having a dynamic interconnection pattern should suffice for building everything, without need of an additional layer of labels, or cell states. The interconnection pattern could indeed code for local states. In the planar case, for example, one has polygonal faces, each with its size, and this generalizes to simplices in higher dimensions. Depending on whether or not these 'atoms' have and preserve their own identity, one can conceive two different types of field/particle (I see analogies with fermion vs. boson behaviour here).

Did you run computer experiments in which both the background cell structure and the additional layer of state information you place on top of it give rise, separately, to the emergence of solitons or other patterns?

Thanks and good luck!

Tommaso