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In short Photons can be considered as Particles in that they have ElectroMagnetic mass [E/c^2] but they are considered 'Matter-less' under the strict definitions of Tetryonics. [ie

Thank you Abraham - it must have been galling to you my confusing Electric for East! I am sure that if one studies your methodology systematically all the shapes, colors and letters will become clearer.

When you say the photon is 2D I guess you are referring to its local discrete shape at any instant? Hmm that still makes it a sort of string or particle, also in accordance to what Steve said. My feeling is that light quanta spread out in a network of cells making up the ether. Obviously our approaches are different, but as I said your work has a beauty that must be physically 'right' at some level.

I will check out the figures you have attached and put online, thanks.

Best wishes

Vladimir.

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Vladimir,

You are right in saying my illustrations represent the EM geometry of mass-ENERGY-Matter at any instant of Time.

I was the best way to illustrate the geometry I am trying to convey (and I didn't have the time to start developing a Solid-works model of all the fields & particles)

Bear in mind that the illustrations were developed over a 4 year period during which I developed my theory, applied and refined it continuously ( a process that still continues)so I am more than understanding if you overlook some of the finer details at this stage.

At least you are looking and the more you do so the more you'll see hidden in the details [even the colour coding of the units etc].

Enjoy.

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Kelvin,

I have been sifting through your essay in an attempt to find correlation between what I understand as compared to what you present about Tetryonics. During the discovery process for the concept presented in the IEEE reference in my essay, 1294, the value of 4Pi was extracted. I realized that the 4Pi value was representing a more complicated EM concept than that presented in the paper, which uses the 2Pi concept. I made the following statement in the paper, "Using the value of 2Pi for intrinsic frequency is not intuitive to the general scientific community, except perhaps to electrical engineers, who use 2Pi to represent a generic wavelength."

I take exception to your continued use of SI units to represent dimensions. If you truly want to redress our technological deficiencies, you need to utilize "intrinsic units", and derivatives thereof, as your Tetryonics units of measure. I demonstrated that the geometric-mathematical concepts in the IEEE paper directly link time, distance (space) and energy to a single mathematical equation, and it is simple.

You started your essay by quoting Einstein, and I will end this with another of his quotes, "Everything should be simple, but not too simple." Linking all the base units of measure to a simple mathematical abstraction, one that use mathematical concepts that are taught in K-12 schools, is about a simple as it needs to be.

    :)

    In all case , it is cool to see these discussions, good luck to both of you.

    ps Abraham, here is an optimization spherization of E=mc².

    C is the velocity , linear of light.Let's consider that a photon possesse the serie of uniqueness.So a specific quantum number.with the main central sphere like the most important volume.Let's assume that the rotations imply the complexity in 3d. So space and mass in a simplistic vue.

    Now you can see that it laxks tw motions for the entangled spheres in their pure uniqueness.So we must insert in the equations of equivalence mass/E, the 3 motions, so c linear, o orbital speed, and s spinal speed. You can see that c o and s become very relevant for a classment of physicalities and their universal dynamic of spherization. If we insert now the volumes of the fractal, universal I think, so we have a specific serie for this quantum number and its serie of uniqueness.The velocities , c , o and s are very very relevant when we consider the space like possessing also the serie of Uniqueness,the light and the mass also.So we can simulate correctly inside a closed evolutive sphere. This logic is universal for all physical spheres and its motions. The light in a kind of BEC is like the space so ? in fact it is always a question of motions of spheres giving the specificty and complementary rules of evolution. The fermions, the space, the bosons are composed by the same essence in fact.

    Regards

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    One major departure that makes Tetryonics a completely different geometry is the priori point that ALL Energy is EQUILATERAL (wile Time is RADIAL and measured by how long it takes for Light to travel 299,792,456 metres).

    This radial measurement of radiated Energy [Light] gives us spherical volumes for c, c^2, c^4 etc. [which in turn form 2D, Cartesian and 3D co-ordinate systems]

    So ALL physical measurements resolve to measurements of EQUILATERAL mass-ENERGY-Matter in SPHERICAL Time geometries.

    This differs from ALL previously theorised physical geometries of EM mass-ENERGY-Matter in which 2D fields and 3D particles have always been thought of as being spherical geometries.

    See attachedAttachment #1: Figure_01.03__Spatial_geometries_800x600.jpgAttachment #2: Figure_02.06__Physical_Angles_800x600.jpg

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    Tetryonics has many layers of detail not obvious to the first time viewer of the theory [particular the 9 page introduction submitted here].

    As you point out many simplistic terms (and units) can be further resolved to reveal increasing levels of detail and complexity but a trade off has to be made.

    You may view it as being similar to Einstein's use of a rubber sheet to depict curved Space-Time [while useful to help grasp the concept of Reimannian curvature it is completely incorrect as a physical model and does not represent the quantised nature of Gravitation in any way suitable for the formulation or development of a quantum theory of gravity].

    In seeking a consistent methodology to present Tetryonic geometries I chose to highlight the generalised geometry of CHARGED Energy [ie Pos & Neg EM fields] as it is the interactions of charged geometries [through their E&M fields] that creates 3D Matter.

    Hence the term Tetryonics - The CHARGED geometry of EM mass-ENERGY-Matter.

    For example the 2pi geometries of radiant Energy [Light] can be further resolved to 8pi geometries of the same [4pi longitudinal Electric fields with a transverse 4pi Magnetic moment see QED on my YouTube channel]

    In short in order to in order to convey the beauty of the theory in 2D illustrations [major details of the theory can only be understood by building 3D physical models of what I represent as 2D illustrations and physically manipulating them - and this I encourage].

    See attached.Attachment #1: Figure_90.11__n6_Charged_800x600.jpgAttachment #2: Figure_02.03__Tetryonics_and_Pi_radians_800x600.jpg

    Interesting Abraham,

    interesting the tetryonics of 2012. Interesting but you can make better still. perhaps in your second book :)

    Regards and good luck.

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    Agree Steve,

    What I have found is that every time I revisit earlier work it can either be better explained (or improved) with reference to my more recent work.

    For example QED improved QM, QC improved QED & QM, QG improved QM, QED & QC and most recently my work on geometric Math and quantum computing has driven improvements to all the previously mentioned sub-topics.

    Checkout my YouTube channel [tetryonics] and you'll see I have already produced over 1200 illustrations explaining many of Science's current mysteries (but it is always improving - that's the Nature of Scientific discovery) 1% inspiration - 99% perspiration.

    But somewhere I had to stop and release this theory to the World - if I can do all of this as one person imagine what thousands of keen PhD students can achieve [and that is the whole driving philosophy behind my work - to improve the Human condition]

    Thanks for viewing.

    Me also,I am born to imrpove this global society. It is my reason of being.

    The improvement optimization spherization is the key !

    ps eureka :)

    I was inclined to approach the problem as a sphere inscribed, tangent to face of tetrahedron..where surface-to-volume of both are equivalent! Repeating this structure within and without carries on to cosmos and microscopic size.

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    Kelvin,

    "In seeking a consistent methodology to present Tetryonic geometries I chose to highlight the generalised geometry of CHARGED Energy [ie Pos & Neg EM fields] as it is the interactions of charged geometries [through their E&M fields] that creates 3D Matter."

    I agree, specialized forms of EM fields represent what we call 3D matter. One of my mentors, since deceased, a Prof Emeritus of Elec. Engr., stated that we are a "specialized form of energy." This agrees with the discredited theory of "energetics", which was supported by Max Planck, everything is a form of energy.

    Consider the billions being spent in an effort to break apart particles, when in reality they are attempting to separate different EM field structures (EM geometries) from each other, very inefficiently.

    I just looked at one of your Utube videos on EM waves, QED-28. Longitudinal EM waves are not like sound waves. Examine Laguerre-Gaussian beams with longitudinal components.

    Have you examined Bob Palais' Pi page?

    Pi

    He published an article in the Mathematical Intelligencer, "Pi is Wrong!"

    Your 2Pi and 4Pi descriptions match material I have in a couple of papers. My IEEE paper uses the 2Pi description, but I avoid using the 4Pi term in my other papers, not because it is not correct, I describe the characteristic in a different manner.

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    Max Planck's theory of 'Energetics'was on the right track - but it became complicated with things like Maxwellian waves, Transverse mass & Longitudinal waves, quantised energy and probabilistic wavefunctions etc as you point out).

    Lacking a formally defined and visual model for their Mathematical solutions to the same,the situation then became even more confused as numerous answers [sqr Neg one, probabilities etc] became accepted scientific answers to quantum math.

    Maxwell [had he lived ] would have been one of the first to point out that you must be able to build a physical model of any quantum system in order to justify the theory's accuracy and completeness.

    I too agree with the comments concerning pi [C/D] vs Pi radians - it is a fine example in science of using 1 name for 2 distinct properties and as pointed out in Tetryonics we have been mistaking EQUILATERAL Pi radians for spherical Pi ratios in QM for over a century now.

    This situation became very more complex in tetryonics where Pi [normally the property of a circle/sphere] becomes a property of Equilateral geometries. However in ET 1/2 pi really is 1/2 of the triangle and 2 ETs have internal angles adding up to 360 degrees so you win some - you lose some.

    Fortunately TIME (having a spherical geometry) is usually measured by us as the time is takes light to travel 299,792,458 metres so it units are usually s. s^2 or c^2, c^4. [even though they are drawn as spheres.

    I was tempted (early in my work) to use 'Tau' in lieu of Pi for my unified equation but dropped it as I thought it would create confusion in understanding my theory. [ie 4Pi & 36Pi quickly create the impression of geometry in most minds whereas 4T & 36T etc don't] and who am I to re-write mathematical descriptors - I am doing so much now correcting subtle but important misconceptions that arise from using Math without physical Models..

    Sometimes you have to go with the accepted terms in order to have a new theory viewed seriously and to be understood by minds used to those particularly quirky

    inconstancy...perhaps when the theory develops we can change these poor definitions .... after all seriously QUARKS, UP, DOWN, STRANGE, CHARMED, TOP, BOTTOM, GLUONS??

    Perhaps when the theory grows in acceptance we can hold a international council to review some of the sillier names of fields & particles in Physics...I have gone far enough naming the tetrahedral quantum of Matter [the Tetryon]Attachment #1: 1_Figure_02.03__Tetryonics_and_Pi_radians_800x600.jpgAttachment #2: 1_Figure_01.03__Spatial_geometries_800x600.jpg

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    Understand the model you are portraying....

    But I would say why would Nature have two identical 'particles' based on different geometry.

    Tetrahedral geometries have 4 fascias of interaction for each Matter quanta.

    Tetryonics creates everything out of ONE shape [a Equilateral Triangle] and it is only in the micro/macroscopic world that we can't see the triangulated fascia.

    {just like a video game or movie CG etc.)

    And as my models works for QM, QED, Chemistry and QG I feel it is the better approach to Q-geometry....but I always remain open to new ideas, it is funny where inspiration for QM solutions comes from

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    Kelvin,

    "Fortunately TIME (having a spherical geometry) is usually measured by us as the time is takes light to travel 299,792,458 metres .... "

    You need to reexamine how you have defined TIME. TIME is a manifestation of the existence of energy. You do not need TIME unless you have energy. I don't know if you looked at the IEEE paper I cite in my essay, topic 1294, but TIME is the result of the relationship between an EM wavelength and its duration, otherwise it seems TIME has no requirement to exist. This is a mathematical argument for the existence of TIME.

    Before the concepts in the IEEE paper were identified, time was never expressed in relationship to energy, it was tied to the 1/86400th division of the rotation of the planet Earth, the second. The second duration is okay for domestic use but it has no validity as a scientific unit of measure.

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      Kelvin,

      You did not respond to the statement I made in my Aug. 15, 2012 @ 17:54 GMT post, "I just looked at one of your Utube videos on EM waves, QED-28. Longitudinal EM waves are not like sound waves. Examine Laguerre-Gaussian beams with longitudinal components."

      For an EM wave with a field component aligned with the axis of propagation, you now get a variation in the intensity in the direction of the axis during the wave cycle, but the frequency of the wave stays constant.

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        I agree Time is simple the measurement of Energy's motion in empty space.

        If you take the equilateral geometry of Energy/second you have Planck's constant [kg.m^2/s] - ignoring the mass (which is Energy per second [c^2] you will find you have m^2 left over. I introduce the reality of this unit as the area of an Equilateral triangle. so Plancks' constant is really reflecting EQ.Energy/sec

        ie Quantised Angular Momentum = m^2/s

        mass = Energy /second = Energy/c^2 = kg

        put the two together you have Planck's Constant [kg.m^2/s]

        TIME is thus revealed as a measurement of the measure of the QAM

        equilateral geometries] of Energy in any region of Space

        QAM/c^2 = [m^2/s]*[s^2/m^2] = seconds

        As you rightly point out no Energy means no QAM geometry per region of Space

        this no TIME.

        And no changes to Energy means no changes to its QAM quanta [h] - without changes to the Energy content of a region of Space there can be no measurement of what we perceive and measure to be TIME, and from that we can clearly identify the 2 'directions of Time' as being what causes the 2 forms of Electric CHARGE to arise.

        'Travel forward in Time' - Positive Charge

        'Travel Backward in Time' - Negative charge

        To illustrate that point I drew rotational vectors onto the geometries of equilateral Energy geometries. You can then view them as the Energy flow in idealised quantum inductive loops. [remember inductors are the electrical equivalent of inertial mass]

        It is important to remember here that Angular Momentum [as viewed currently by Physicists] is a measure of the rotational velocity component of a system - in Tetryonics it it a reflection of the EQUILATERAL GEOMETRY only - there is no rotational component only changes to the Energy quanta per unit of Time.

        Additionally, you may find a lot more information of what I am explaining here in my QED video on You Tube particularly the Spectral line calculations and the work on Photons wavelengths and frequency.

        CH29 illustration 17 shows clearly how frequency, wavelength and wave numbers are all directly related through mass to QAM geometry.

        see attached

        CH60 may be of help in understanding how QAM is the source of the Fine Structure, various coupling constants and Charge itself

        I'll look over your paper and get back to you.Attachment #1: Figure_01.07__Quantised_Angular_Momentum_800x600.jpgAttachment #2: Figure_61.08__Time_800x600.jpg

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        Frank,

        Apologies if the response was delayed somewhere but I did reply - perhaps my being in a AUS time zone [GMT+10] had something to do with that.

        Re Longitudinal wave correct they are directional EM waves with their E fields aligned with their direction of propagation[DOP] and are produced by spark gaps as utilised by Tesla at the turn of the century.

        Whereas Hertzian/Maxwellian waves are Transverse EM waves produced by accelerating/oscillating electrons and have their E fields orthogonal to their DOP.

        Tesla attempted to persuade Hertz of this when he first announced his discovery but when the photoelectric effect was discovered transmission technology switched to accelerating electrons instead of spark gaps and the debate died down.

        Transverse waves are like sound waves in that they create a pressure gradient in any region of space, while Longitudinal waves have their momenta aligned to their DOP [consider one a slap to the face the other a karate jab to the eye].

        Additionally, (and this is hard to explain here] the Energy intensity of a Transverse wave is a function of its instantaneous Frequency [E=hf] while a Longitudinal wave's energy is more appropriately described by [E=p^2] because it is the momenta aligned to the DOP that does the work [hence the above analogy]..

        It is Longitudinal waves with their aligned momenta that can produce real damage as well being able to produce 'instantaneous action-at-a-distance'.

        You can produce EM waves with identical EM Energies (which only differ in the polarization of their constituent Energy momenta) but it is the Longitudinal wave that will kill you [ask Tesla' assistants or anyone struck by lightning].

        Reading up on Gaussian beans etc will also take me some time so I trust this helps.Attachment #1: Figure_28.07__Hertz_vs_Tesla_800x600.jpgAttachment #2: Figure_28.08__EM_waves_800x600.jpg

        Abraham,

        Thank you for your earlier replies. I have a question for you which will hopefully tell whether we have a hypopthesis overlap or not: "How do you explain the well known Flyby anomaly?"

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          In the simplest terms:

          The SUN (and all Planets etc) emits radiant energies throughout the heliosphere in addition to the convergent gravitational energy produced by their Matter.

          These divergent energies have already been included in the Newtonian model of Gravitation (as well as GR) because both are based on observations not first principles [and so have not been noticed].

          Neither theory differentiates between EM mass and Matter [in fact GR - based on SR - must accommodate it in its formulation but simply lumps Energy in all its forms into the Stress-Energy tensor - EM mass is completely distinct from Matter]

          I propose the term Gravito-Electro-Magnetism [GEM] to reflect the three distinct forces produced by all Matter (particularly Matter in motion]

          The radiant energies produce a net DIVERGENT interactive component to gravitation that that diminishes under the inverse square law and as all Matter is comprised of charged energy fascia interacts with it BUT because our current models of gravitation do not include a quantum model of its source of mechanics (only the observations of the motion it creates) we cannot model the true interactions of the GEM fields of Matter in motion with the GEM fields produced by Planets as they move in their orbits and rotate on their axis.

          The divergent [radiant] components of GEM field [specifically the E field] accelerate charged particles, and as Matter is comprised of charged fascia [even neutral Matter] it creates a force on all Matter moving past another.

          These charge interactions are also responsible for other puzzling aspects of Cosmology namely Dark Matter and Dark Energy and is similar to the Pioneer anomaly [see attached]

          Much more detail will soon be released by me in my next release Tetryonics [4] -Quantum Cosmology [including the true mechanical dynamics of Gravity both at a quantum scale as well as the Cosmological].

          I trust this helps.Attachment #1: Figure_74.06__Pioneer_anomaly_800x600.jpg