Untangling Quantum Causation

Joe, I do read exactly what you write and I try to understand what the idea is based on and what you think about it. Your answers do not show that you have really thought deeply about it as you don't put together coherent argument for or against but just repeat the same 'mantra'.You say 'open your eyes and look'. What is different about when I look and when Joe looks? And if the looker is only part of a surface how does he comprehend what is seen? I'll just leave those with you to ponder.

Georgina,

With due respect, your efforts are wasted ... his own words ... "Reality is not testable."

Scientific reasoning is not possible in this case.

Best Regards,

Gary Simpson

If you hold a square box up in front of your face so you only see the single square face of the box, the rest of the box does not cease to exist in reality. Also in reality if you construct an image of that box so that you can tumble it around on your viewer so that only a single square face is displayed, the rest of the box still exists in the mathematical relationship of the geometric algebra of quaternion architecture. That is what virtual reality is, the whole box virtually exists in the math that defines just the box, simply. There are no arbitrary vanishing points within or beyond the borders of the screen that the coordinates of the box relate to, the coordinates are simply of that box. And the only vanishing point is in the eye of the beholder, you the viewer.

That is what virtual reality is, and why it became called virtual reality. The entirety of the surface of an object is contained in the math even if only part of it is visible, it all virtually exists in reality. The viewing experience has been marketed as if the experience were a virtual reality. It is not, its a real experience, and one in which the math shines through. And if you follow financial news you might have learned very recently that a major investment has been made in the studio/lab of one of the vetern pioneers of VR. And there are a lot of test subjects out there whom do not recognize the math from the experience.

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Anonymous, I understand you may not want to use your real name but could you please choose a pen name. There are potentially many Anonymous-es but one you.You have some interesting things to say.

If you hold the box as you have described, only the electromagnetic information from the part of the box facing you is being received by your eyes. The image of the box on the retina and later formed in the visual cortex is formed from processing of information received. So what is formed is a limited view of one aspect of the surface topology. It does not contain the mathematics for the rest of the box unseen, as that information was not received. So it is not a virtual reality as you describe. However I would contend that the source of the information was not limited in the same way.

Anonyous, that is to say the see-ers perception is a new fabrication from received information only. It is not that part of reality has ceased to exist, it has not been included. The information from which the box image was not made does not cease to exist when the see-er 'selects' the information he receives but it remains in the environment unless absorbed by another object.

Georgina,

I am only passing through, there are many open forums. As to your qualifications which are categorical in nature, they are part of the prospectus in the cross discipline research in VR. I won't say more other than you might wish to browse the subject and take part in the real science being done.

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Does that mean you have to pass through as Anonymous-what if you come back this way again? Not quite sure what you mean by the last sentence. Take part in what, where?

I think this qualifies as scientific progress- developed here

Reality in the Context of Physics (Ricp): an Explanatory Framework: Bridging the Pitfalls of Category Error, Dispelling Paradox and Excluding Magic from Physics

An Examination of Measurement Relevant to Entanglement and Ontology: Answers to Some Long Standing Questions

Dear Anonymous and Georgina,

Nobody has ever seen a "box'. It is physically impossible to see a "box". One only sees a PLETHORA of seeming seamlessly enmeshed, flattish, varied colored surface. If one rests one's nose on one surface side of a box, one will still only see a PLETHORA of seamlessly enmeshed surface that includes a part of one's nostril and eye socket. Boxes are manufactured out of wood or metal. When one looks at a tree, one sees a PLETHORA of the flat surface of the tree trunk and leaves seamlessly enmeshed into the surface of other visual items. The size, shape and hue of any particular object can never be isolated. The view is always unified, visible infinite surface that is always illuminated by non-surface light.

Joe Fisher, Realist

...follow the money...just don't expect anyone to do that research for you.

VR is a wide open field due to its myriad applicability. Gamers and artists tend to more clearly distinguish that it is virtual rather than literal reality, it is geometric analysis that mimics human visual perception.

A good overall intro recently aired on

https://charlierose.com/videos/28609

This is a 2013 thread I created on sciforums that discusses the pros and cons of Loop Quantum Gravity and a number of insights into it versus a response by a working theoretical Physicist (two actually), where they measure it against String Theory.

BY MARKM125:

"Considering this thread is about LQG, I'll type a quick post about the subject.

What is LQG?

Loop Quantum Gravity is an attempt to quantize General Relativity by introducing gauge fields (like any QFT) onto a curved background. In doing so, two basic symmetries are demanded of the theory - gauge invariance, and invariance under the diffeomorphism group.

Most readers are probably familiar with the first, if not, here's the basic idea: A local gauge transformation is a transformation performed on a Lagrangian dependent on the point in spacetime (i.e. it's local). For example, a transformation of the form AОјв†'AОј+ПµBОјAОјв†'AОј+ПµBОј (Where AОјAОј is the vector potential. You can verify this by simply plugging this in to the equations giving the E and B fields in terms of the vector potential. ) is a global gauge transformation - it will leave the classical Maxwell Equations invariant, but it doesn't depend on the coordinates. Instead, a local GT will have such a position dependence. The result is then this: the gauge transformations of a particular form (i.e. Multiplication by a unitary matrix) will form a Lie Group, which in tern has several generators. The generators then can be associated with vectors fields, which are then quantized into particles. These particles are then your gauge bosons, such as photons, W bosons, Z bosons, and gluons. For example: the group U(1)U(1) is a symmetry group of QED, and gives rise to the photon and its interactions.

Diffeomorphism invariance is a property of general relativity. It's the ultimate form of relativity - as long as we perform some continuous deformation of the background spacetime, we still have a consistent theory. Thus, any theory with the spirit of GR should, as is felt by proponents of cannonical approaches to quantum gravity, contain this symmetry. Essentially, DI demands that we construct a theory that has no dependence on the background spacetime. We can associate this mathematical idea with general covariance - choose any frame you wish, and physics is the same.

Now, one of the critical equations in the field of quantum gravity is the Wheeler-DeWitt equation, taking the form

Hв€ЈП€вџ©=0Hв€ЈП€вџ©=0

Where П€П€ is the "wavefunction of the universe", or simply, the quantum representation of one possible state of spacetime. In analogy to quantum mechanics, we should find the solutions to this equation, use them to construct a general Hilbert (or Fock? Not sure) space, and then express the quantum state of spacetime, and hence the gravitational field.

Following a mathematical reformulation of GR in terms of Ashtekar variables, it was determined that solutions could take the form of "spin netowrks" (see John Baez's page for a ton of info) that evolve in time as "spin foams". Then the dynamics of the gravitational field can be expressed as a superposition of these spin foams. Spin foams can be thought of as the repeated action of a scalar constraint в€ЈП€(t1)вџ©в€јeв€'iHОґtв€ЈП€(t0)вџ©в€ЈП€(t1)вџ©в€јeв€'iHОґtв€ЈП€(t0)вџ©.

That's the basic structure. Here are the consequences:

1. Firstly, the graviton propagator reduces to the inverse square law over long distances.

2. The symmetries of GR are retained.

3. The usual action remains, consisting of the Ricci Scalar with additional quantum corrections.

4. The use of "Wilson Loops" in the theory preserves gauge invariance and results in a minimum area of 10в€'6610в€'66 meters squared. The square root is roughly the Planck length.

If you're interested into delving into the theory, there are various lecture notes on the subject. I'd recommend the one by Pietro Dona and Simmone Spezial."

http://www.sciforums.com/threads/loop-quantum-gravity-lqg.135750/

Dear Nicholas,

The real Universe is excruciatingly simple to understand. The real universe consists only of one unified visible infinite surface that is always illuminated by infinite non-surface light. No part of the infinite surface am ever affected by finite amounts of invisible quantum gravity.

Joe Fisher, Realist

Let's see. Reality doesn't require being researched, so Joe doesn't really do any, yet says he's a 'researcher in good standing'. Maybe that's why the other guy got $2.8 billion for his research. If that be codswollop, gimme a bucket full.

Dear Anonymous,

Although I am not affiliated with any accredited academic institution and I have no academic credentials, I do have ORCID. The Foundational Questions Institute offered a Grant for research into the Physics of the Observer. I applied for a Grant citing that I had observed that the real Universe only consisted of one unified visible infinite surface that was always illuminated by infinite non-surface light. Of course my request was denied without a reason being given for the denial. Over forty Physics Professors including Professor Max Tegmark, the Director of Science for FQXi.org are aware of my truthful contention and they have ignored it. You now know the truth and you dare to insult me by sneering about the fact that I have never been paid for writing the truth.

Joe Fisher, Realist

Dear Steve Dufourny,

I understand why you wish to be anonymous, but please consult a qualified psychiatrist. You need professional help.

Joe Fisher, Realist

why you attack me Mr Fisher ? It is not me the message? I have hackers and teams agianst me but you know what,It is just a band of comics.That is all.If you are in this strategy, so I am suggesting that you pray,that is all like I pray for your soul.I have been menaced on net, hacked, two pc destroyed, plagiarists, startegies, and you know what ? Just for my theory of spherisation ,MY WORK,not these persons.I know who they are you know.But I ignorate them and play with them also now.They have wanted know my faith and knowledges, now be sure they know it,the rest is vain for me.So frankly you , others or this or that, it is not important, I constinue to share my theory and imrpove it with or without their approvements.Perhaps they do not want that I am recognised,but it is not important,I am a scientist, me not a business man full of hormons and vanity and hate.Let's pray for thir poor souls without nor generalities and consciousness.It is the life.And don't forget take your meds and give them also to your friends obliged to continue the strategy.If you are not one of these plagiarists ,so you go in psychiatry illuminated by your own surface of nothing for nothing.Bye dude.

I am conscious of my discovery and its potential at short, middle and long term,so it is logic to have teams agianst me.I am honored to have all these plagiarists of all countries.It is cool in fact.Their stratégies fall down like their credibility.Probably that they cannot return at logic due to this play.They are now in a bad situation.But it is not my problem.They are just false scientists thinking that they are real searchers.No they are not§! It is the reason why they prefer the business, this Under sciences and the game like if they were intelligent and smart.It is ironical in fact to see all these stratégies and plagiarists.I have pity for them in fact.They are just full of hate ,that is all.This game gives them in fact a kind of personal satisfaction.Probably that they have some kinds of intrinsic frustration.But it is the life, they exist these persons destroying the altruism and universalism.They are not scientists.They are false scientists.

Hey Steve,

pay no mind, you're doing fine. Actually the universe has just again displayed its sense of humor.

And don't let that venom cause you distress, your worries about Linked-In are not at all groundless. There is a global political reluctance to regulate the www and nothing to prevent the wholesale utility of open set bit sequencing in conducting connectivity. Consequently if you click a link embedded with such there is little to stop intrusions. The best defense on your own computer is to go into your settings and 'disable wi-fi' then 'disable cookies' any place you find switches to do so. Hard wire is still the best countermeasure.

Oh! and Steve,

once you have disabled cookies, there will be a number of webpages that will not function due to the length of script that requires cookies. Don't let that mislead you in thinking something's wrong. Its simply that you're better protected and generally the screen will lock up. Its a nuisance but better than bullets, and a lot of time you have to close out and manually clear browser cache on restart.

Hi,you know my net is totaly crazy,linkedin, Facebook,my mails.I have been menaced of death also and many others things.I don't fear to die.You know I have lost all in belgium due to bad people.I don't understand this human nature.It is sad.I just want the well of this planet me.My theory of spherisation is all my life,I have worked hard to find this universal link in all humility,I have not a job, I am isolated at home with problems,I cannot accept that people wants to plagiate or discriminate or this or that,I must assume my theory.Others hackers said me that I was a conspiracy theorist ??? They are totaly crazy in fact.Others want toplagiate my works ,others this, others that.It is totaly crazy in fact and all this story just because my theory is general and logic.It is irritating, since 9years ,since this discovery,at the begining the probelms have begun.It is logic a lot of persons have seen the potential, economical of my discovery.They are like squales simply.It is probably the reason why thisplanet is in this state also.Always these persons without consciousness and universality.It is sad.They are going todestroy our planet in fact simply in implying chaos and disorders instead of harmony.A friend of LinkedIn,Mr Duplij has given me avast.It is better but they hack still my pc.What a world ???Regards