Dear Irvon Eugene Clear,

Very nice logical short essay about Existence and reality..

Your words ....... ' What can create possibility from nothingness? How could anything create the possibility for everything imperfect to exist from a single point of nothingness? These are unknown acts of an unknown agent.'.....

That means creation from nothing does not happen. There should be something that is available to change its form, say for example energy is required to form material.... You may give your ideas about this...

    I am willing to take the position that perfection has the ability to create the space that is necessary to create the possibility for the existence of everything that could exist as imperfect. Since the environment of perfection would be complete for all things perfect it seems that the space needed for the existence of imperfection would necessarily be created from nothingness.

    I will respond later with what I think is the environmental clue in our universe that would support my comments. There is something that is perfect within our universe that we cannot sense but we can observe through our perception of objects, forces and relationships within it.

    Dear Poet Clear,

    Please excuse me for I do not wish to be too critical of your fine essay and I do hope that it fairs well in the competition.

    Only nature could produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with it.

    One real visible Universe must have only one reality. Simple natural reality has nothing to do with any abstract complex musings about any imaginary "order as (being) the (invisible) foundation of creation when all of the (invisible) environmental clues suggest (abstract) chaos is the actual beginning and mindless (invisible) collisions are therefore more meaningful than mathematical proofs.."

    The real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.

    A more detailed explanation of natural reality can be found in my essay, SCORE ONE FOR SIMPLICITY. I do hope that you will read my essay and comment on its merit.

    Joe Fisher, Realist

    HI Irvon,

    I liked your essay as a literary composition and it seems to be more a kind of poetry than a proper essay. It has more validity to me as poetry since in that form one does not have to be explicit in terms of definitions as in scientific discourse.

    You state what you mean here: "There is only one purpose for the existence of everything within our universe. It is to evolve into existence every object, force and relationship that can possibly exist as imperfect." This means to me you are talking about something that is outside the boundary of the scientific discussion. You are talking about the ultimate purpose which I call the Aristotelian Final Cause. Some people call this God, others perhaps might use a different word denoting the concept. However, this is supposed to be an essay in a scientific context, and so one does need definitions that are explicit.

    Your definition seems to be here: "The purpose engine would have to be something that resulted in an evolving reality. It would be fueled by possibility. The thing created from nothingness would be the thing that in turn created possibility" I like this as it seems to be getting to the essence of it. But how does this translate into what we actually see and experience in nature? You answer this way: "We experience the results of the creation of possibility." Interesting!

    However, you continue with this: "The initial purpose does not create life or human beings. It just creates the possibility for the existence of everything that is imperfect. Life and human beings are imperfect. They are an evolved result of the initial purpose for the creation of everything that is imperfect." That seems to leave us humans out of the picture of the purpose.

    At the end I was befuddled since you said: "The path to the origin of human experience eventually loses the familiar sight and presence of the human form. Our ancestors become unrecognizable. And eventually you will discover the barrier of chaos. Anything beyond will be totally incomprehensible...our origin is buried there." As Poetry is is evocative, but as communication it leaves me somewhat confused.

    Satyavarapu,

    The environment within our universe that contains human experience is imperfect. As an individual I can observe the imperfections. I do not believe that a perfect universe would contain the imperfections that describe the survival environment for human beings.

    At this point I can accept that our imperfect universe has no creation beginning. But with the awareness that there actually is something that is perfect within our entire universe the obvious question is where did it come from? An imperfect environment cannot evolve or create perfection.

    The fact that perfection exists in our universe supports the idea that our universe was created by an environment of perfection. If it were we would expect the thing that perfection created would also be in itself perfect.

    The one thing in our universe that fits this description is space. It will never be changed by anything imperfect. It accommodates all possible variables of decisions, of actions and consequences of evolving imperfect objects, forces and relationships. It cannot be directly sensed by an imperfect object, force or relationship. Space is not in itself sensed. We observe its presence through observations of the imperfect objects, forces and relationships that are contained within it. In my view space can be understood to mean a place. It is a place where there is the possibility for imperfection to exist.

    With the environment of perfection (not our universe) being the creator of the possibility of the existence of imperfection we are left with the question of where could imperfection exist within a perfect environment? This is what leads me to the explanation that the creation event is an unknowable act performed by an unknowable agent from an environment of perfection. It is also the reason for claiming that the thing created that then evolved the possibility for the existence of imperfection was created from nothingness. It seems impossible to claim that it was created from something imperfect (not then existent) or from something perfect (perfection would not be within an environment of space and time). Space was created from something new...nothingness. This is also an unknown act of an unknown agent of perfection.

    I liked your essay a lot..

    I would say the only way to create something from nothing is to have faith. Faith is perfection... and we can believe in things that only lead to perfection - the faith in Oneness... the singularity of all ideas... which is Almighty God (I AM / one thought = Infinity of thoughts).

    Good luck with your essay,

    William Walker

    Harry,

    For me an essay is an expression of an opinion and not a demonstration of a mathematical proof. I am trying to express my opinion within the boundaries of our existent survival environment. The relevant terms are: existence, perfection, imperfection, possibility, changing, unknown agent, unknowable act, nothingness, space and purpose.

    Here is a suggested chronological order of events that I am trying to express within my essay:

    At first there is perfection. That environment is space-less and time-less with only one possibility for existence...perfection. An unknown agent within the environment of perfection performed an unknowable act that resulted in a point of nothingness being expanded into the possibility of an environment for the existence of anything imperfect. This environment was expanded until the possibility reached the critical magnitude that created the instantaneous reality of anything imperfect actually existing (care must be taken here because we sense from the human platform...we do not know the essence of anything). At this moment there are no survival environments. There is only the chaos of anything imperfect existing. From the chaos of anything imperfect existing survival environments evolved within the magnitude of possibility that was necessary to create anything imperfect instantaneously. This is the limit of possibility (magnitude of space) within our imperfect universe.

    The objects, forces and relationships that we currently experience in our survival environment are the result of the chaos of initial existence of anything imperfect collapsing into survival environments where the objects, forces and relationships within them are capable of creating imperfect existence on their own.

    This means there is a span of time where chaos is the engine of possibility. And this environment creates a boundary to understanding the motivations and actions that are within the environment of perfection. Thus the agent is unknowable and the act is also unknowable. I avoid the term God here because God has been chained to culture and many other human attributes. This term always assumes that some human beings actually know God and they are the accepted (self-professed) interpreters of God's Will. This has shaded human experience with many unnecessary tragedies.

    The environmental observations that are currently part of human experience are observations of surviving objects, forces and relationships that are part of an evolved orderly environment. The result is similar throughout this imperfect universe. It allows the impression of universal objects, forces and relationships. It is the environment we can currently model with the laws of mathematics, physics and chemistry. This environment is the one in which we evolved into existence as the changing platform for human experience. The rest is frankly whatever our future becomes.

    9 days later

    Dear Irwin,

    Your thoughts about the space is very important. Philosopher Pavel Florensky almost a hundred years have come to conclusion: "Miroponimanie - Prostranstvoponimanie / WorldUnderstanding- SpaceUnderstanding".

    You write in conclusion:

    «Mathematics, physics and chemistry will not lead us through the chaos of the creation event. They are human observations of the evolved order of survival. They are not fundamental observations of purpose. They are tools for enhancing the future of human experience.»

    I think that "the mother of all sciences" - Philosophy must come to help mathematics and physics. Understand the ontological structure of the "Origin" - to understand the ontological structure of space. Modern physics impose our minds naive hypothesis "In the Beginning was "big bang". I am a supporter of the superextreme Axiom: "In the Beginning Was the Logos"

    The world picture of physicists, mathematicians, and poets should be united and filled with the senses of the "LifeWorld" (E.Husserl).

    Yours faithfully,

    Vladimir

      «With the same anguish my days flash past,

      Monotonous as they were,

      As if roses are dropping their petals,

      And nightingales are dying.

      And she is also sorrowful,

      The Love that has guided me

      And envenomed blood

      Runs under her satin-like skin.

      And if I am in this world,

      It is for the only dream I have,

      That we both, like blind children,

      Will go to the mountain ridge

      There, where there are only reveries,

      In the world of the whitest clouds,

      To seek for faded roses,

      And listen to the dead nightingales.» (Romance N. Gumilev, Music A. Balchev)

      Vladimir

      I understand your use of poetry. The unknown drives us all to the possibilities within our imagination.

      My purpose here is to question the source of possibility. It seems to be associated with space and time. The more you have of both the more possibility you have to experience the existence of anything nonspecific. This seems to be an environmental hint of a force contained within both space and time that we have yet to fully discover. There could be a unit of energy per unit of space or time that actually creates evolving possibility.

      If there is a creation event for the evolving reality in our universe I am suggesting that the only thing necessary to begin it is the creation of possibility.

      I also have resorted to poetry to express what I think I see in our environment. It seems best suited for a non-hating and non-confrontational expression for sharing a still eloquent mystery within our lives.

      Dear Irvon,

      It is very deep seen: «This seems to be an environmental hint of a force contained within both space and time that we have yet to fully discover.»... I believe that in poetry and music can see harmony of the ontological structure of the Universum, harmony of laws nature and the mathematics of harmony .

      Yours faithfully,

      Vladimir

      Dear Irvon,

      Great essay, and in complete agreement with concepts I've explored in previous essays. Indeed I've just answered a question on a post in my string describing my previously described 'Law of the reducing Middle'. Nothing is 'the same'!, just more or less similar, but unique and chaotic, maybe in fractals to a sub matter scale.

      I consider you argued the case very well and pertinently. I hope more read your essay. Meanwhile a boost coming.

      I do hope you'll read, comment on and score mine from the viewpoint of yours, which I didn't touch much on this year to avoid being too repetitive.

      Best of luck

      Peter

        24 days later

        Dear Irvon,

        Your essay was short but very meaningful to me and therefore I decide to give you high rating.

        You are also welcome to read my essay.

        Wish you good luck with your essay

        Best regards

        Koorosh

          Peter,

          As always I enjoyed reading your essay. Thanks for your comments. We are in agreement with the possibilities.

          Steve,

          Thanks for sharing your comment. Hope "all the best" includes you.

          Koorosh,

          Thank you for your comment and thank you for your invitation to read your essay.

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          Hello Irvon,

          Art is not to be underestimated. Thanks for your essay, and conclusion: "Mathematics, physics and chemistry will not lead us through the chaos of the creation event. They are human observations of the evolved order of survival. They are not fundamental observations of purpose. They are tools for enhancing the future of human experience."

          I wish my art was as clear as yours. However, take a look at my essay, I think you will like it.

          Thanks for decorating this essay contest.

          Don Limuti

            Irvon,

            Thanks for visiting my essay. Your little play with a professor and two students was captivating, humorous and enlightening and I recommend it to this essay forum (visit my essay and look for Irvon). And it would have been very appropriate for this essay contest. Playwrights make good physicists.

            Luke also sent me a play. A short one about a student pondering this essay question:

            Yes!....one hour........No!.......one hour..........Maybe! A little short but to the point :)

            Thanks for your plays.

            Don Limuti

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