Thanks, Edwin (not "Eugene"), for reading my essay and watching my movie trailer! And thank you for correcting my quote without even noting it:) "Forest FOR the trees" not "Forest FROM the Trees".

That first quote you liked is a point that Ray Kurzweil often brings up... and I do think it is compatible with your view that information needs a substrate/physical structure/hardware. And that thought about whether or not "gliders" should be considered emergent came from David Chalmers... God I steal all the best ideas... Luckily their recycled in an informal way, often with tweaks, which allows me to avoid litigation most of the time:)

Please let me know what you think of the movie if you get a chance to watch it!

Jon

Whoops, my reply should say "That SECOND quote you liked is a point that Ray Kurzweil...". He likens us to the shape of a river, where the water molecules change constantly, but the meandering pattern evolves more slowly.

Thanks, Vladimir! I will check out your FQXi essay and leave a comment, since it might be easier to get through that essay, than the longer essay on your website at the moment. I love Cellular Automaton (and even simpler models), so I look forward to seeing what your CA model is all about.

If you don't get Amazon Prime in Tokyo, you can still find "Digital Physics" on iTunes and Vimeo to rent. There's plenty of Cellular Automaton and other trinkets in the movie to keep FQXi essay enthusiasts engaged...I hope:)

Jon

Joe, Are you a bot? :) I swear I read this exact comment under another essay forum. But I'll swing by and read your essay. Keep in mind, I don't like infinities, especially ones bigger than Aleph-Null, so I'm coming in with that bias...Fair warning :)

Jon,

You're a fun guy. Not at all 'stiff' like they said!

Edwin Eugene Klingman

Dear Jonathon,

My essay proves that the real visible Universe was not created. This means that all of the Roman Catholic Popes who have ever lived were wrong about the accomplishments of an invisible God. The Roman Catholic Church has a nasty habit of executing heretics and destroying their writings. I am not a "bot".

Joe Fisher, Realist

Nice essay Khanlian,

Your ideas and thinking are excellent for eg...

' By "top-down", I am referring to the notion of an agent with free-will that manipulates its environment in order to reach a desired goal. By "bottom-up", I am referring to a deterministic system that follows logic operations'

A Good idea, I am probably referring to another deterministic system which tries to achieve goals! ................................. I want you to ask you to please have a look at my essay, where ...............reproduction of Galaxies in the Universe is described. Dynamic Universe Model is another mathematical model for Universe. Its mathematics show that the movement of masses will be having a purpose or goal, Different Galaxies will be born and die (quench) etc...just have a look at my essay... "Distances, Locations, Ages and Reproduction of Galaxies in our Dynamic Universe" where UGF (Universal Gravitational force) acting on each and every mass, will create a direction and purpose of movement.....

I think intension is inherited from Universe itself to all Biological systems

For your information Dynamic Universe model is totally based on experimental results. Here in Dynamic Universe Model Space is Space and time is time in cosmology level or in any level. In the classical general relativity, space and time are convertible in to each other.

Many papers and books on Dynamic Universe Model were published by the author on unsolved problems of present day Physics, for example 'Absolute Rest frame of reference is not necessary' (1994) , 'Multiple bending of light ray can create many images for one Galaxy: in our dynamic universe', About "SITA" simulations, 'Missing mass in Galaxy is NOT required', "New mathematics tensors without Differential and Integral equations", "Information, Reality and Relics of Cosmic Microwave Background", "Dynamic Universe Model explains the Discrepancies of Very-Long-Baseline Interferometry Observations.", in 2015 'Explaining Formation of Astronomical Jets Using Dynamic Universe Model, 'Explaining Pioneer anomaly', 'Explaining Near luminal velocities in Astronomical jets', 'Observation of super luminal neutrinos', 'Process of quenching in Galaxies due to formation of hole at the center of Galaxy, as its central densemass dries up', "Dynamic Universe Model Predicts the Trajectory of New Horizons Satellite Going to Pluto" etc., are some more papers from the Dynamic Universe model. Four Books also were published. Book1 shows Dynamic Universe Model is singularity free and body to collision free, Book 2, and Book 3 are explanation of equations of Dynamic Universe model. Book 4 deals about prediction and finding of Blue shifted Galaxies in the universe.

With axioms like... No Isotropy; No Homogeneity; No Space-time continuum; Non-uniform density of matter(Universe is lumpy); No singularities; No collisions between bodies; No Blackholes; No warm holes; No Bigbang; No repulsion between distant Galaxies; Non-empty Universe; No imaginary or negative time axis; No imaginary X, Y, Z axes; No differential and Integral Equations mathematically; No General Relativity and Model does not reduce to General Relativity on any condition; No Creation of matter like Bigbang or steady-state models; No many mini Bigbangs; No Missing Mass; No Dark matter; No Dark energy; No Bigbang generated CMB detected; No Multi-verses etc.

Many predictions of Dynamic Universe Model came true, like Blue shifted Galaxies and no dark matter. Dynamic Universe Model gave many results otherwise difficult to explain

Have a look at my essay on Dynamic Universe Model and its blog also where all my books and papers are available for free downloading...

http://vaksdynamicuniversemodel.blogspot.in/

Best wishes to your essay.

For your blessings please................

=snp. gupta

    Ok, ok, Joe. You've passed the Turing Test; I don't think you're a bot anymore. I will try to take a look at your essay very soon. I will be on vacation for the next week, so my FQXi community engagement might be low, but I will check it out soon.

    Thanks,

    Jon

    Thanks for your thoughts, Satyavarapu (aka SNP.Gupta)

    I will be on vacation for the next week, so getting some time to read FQXi essays may be difficult. But I will try to check out your essay at some point soon.

    But in the meantime, I'll just ask: What is "dynamic" in your "Dynamic Universe Model"? Are the laws of of nature dynamic? I believe most models of the universe are implicitly "dynamic", in the sense that they evolve and change over time.

    Oh, and check out Digital Physics(the movie)!

    Thanks,

    Jon

    4 days later

    Hi Jon,

    A short, concise essay that is well-written. I share your views that things like free-will are illusions that have underlying them processes that are largely deterministic. However, there is a role for spontaneously occurring events without a cause and this when mixed with the largely deterministic processes may convey the impressions of free-will, etc.

    All the best in the competition.

    Regards,

    Akinbo

      I think I better rate your essay right away. Enjoy your vacation!

      Dear Jonathan Khanlian,

      This question is right

      "How did physical systems that pursue the goal of reproduction arise from an abiological world?".

      Your thought that

      "Humans are more like information systems than physical systems. After all, our cells turn over so we aren't made of the same stuff we were just a short time ago. Our design is encoded in our DNA, and our epigenetic environment compiles ourselves into existence. From this point of view, "biological" and "a-biological" things are made of the same stuff...possibly information, but at the very least, particles. The line between an agent and its environment is blurred." is something great.

      To achieve this something great, I think, there something is missed, which will occur after a unification of fundamental interactions, while discovering their exact mechanisms.

      Ch.Bayarsaikhan

        Hi Jon,

        Hoped the vacation was super.

        I liked the programming metaphor (low level languages & high level languages) combined with top down agents and bottom up minions. A possible fertile ground for emergence.

        Technologically we are trying to push for this emergence .....will we get true AI or just more augmentation?

        Thanks for your original essay. Do take a look at my essay (it has a short run time, no compiler required.)

        Don Limuti

          Hi Akinbo,

          I remember you from the last essay contest; I think we shared some thoughts on issues with infinity, if I remember correctly. Thanks for reading my short, non-technical essay. The non-causal events in a largely deterministic model reminds me of unitary evolution with a random "collapse" of an observable property...(not that I really know what I'm talking aboutJ I'll try to get over to read and rate your essay soon.

          Thanks again,

          Jon

          Thanks for reading my essay! I'll try to see what ideas you have written in yours, and see if I can understand them. Maybe you'll have some insight into those exact mechanisms we're all in search of.

          Jon

          Don,

          The vacation was great! Thanks for asking. Now I'm back to the future... in good ol' 1985.

          "Emergence" always sounds like a fuzzy/magical word to me, so I would guess that any engineering that leads to an AI that passes some benchmark, such as the Turing Test, will have aspects of "intelligence" that we could describe as "emergent" in some high-level abstract sense, but it will really be the logical consequence of a system with explicit rules (including statistical inference neural net models) and environmental training data that should be credited with this achievement... not some "emergent" inexplicable magical transformation. So I think we will get true AI, however you define it... and I think we will augment our own intelligence by merging with these technologies.

          I'll swing by and read your essay as soon as I get the chance. I love short essays!! (I'm a slow reader)

          Jon

          7 days later

          Dear Jonathan Khanlian,

          You can down load whole book from viXra, it was my first book. Thank you for your post, on my essay....

          Thank you for your post Jonathan. Dont say it is advt. I would love to see that movie. Can you please give some web address reference?

          Best Wishes to your essay....

          Best Regards

          =snp

          Jon,

          Thanks for your support! It is on my queue to watch "Digital Physics" ....You do know my website is www.digitalwavetheory.com....This could be interesting!

          One of your key words is augmentation.....Perchance are you acquainted with Doug Engelbart?

          Will give you a review of video,

          Don Limuti