Dear John Erik Persson,

You wrote: "We must remember that new knowledge often changes the fundamental structure, and seldom is a simple addition to what we already have."

My research has concluded that Nature must have devised the only permanent structure of the Universe obtainable for the real Universe existed for millions of years before man and his finite complex informational systems ever appeared on earth. The real physical Universe consists only of one single unified VISIBLE infinite surface occurring eternally in one single dimension that am always illuminated mostly by finite non-surface light.

Joe Fisher, ORCID ID 0000-0003-3988-8687. Unaffiliated

Dear John-Erik,

I am not sure that you do understand my concept of the proper functional structure of science in general and in this case specifically in physics. There are two very important structures that are both required to maximize progression of advancement and at the same time enrich the level of understanding to a great enough depth that the likelihood of following erroneous paths that lead to dead ends or cause great delays in advancement will be avoided. The first is the development of conceptual understanding. An example of this that is currently needed and I am trying to provide for man here is to conceptually fill in an area of physics that has been mostly avoided in recent times and that is an understanding of the structure of the lowest known layer of the universe's structure, which is the level of fields, energy photons, and matter particles. For the most part current theories do not address what substance these entities are composed or made of, and how that substance is structured in each of these entities to cause them to generate their observed interaction behaviors. Observations and man's current theories both indicate that these entities can be transformed into each other and that they all can also be transformed into simple angular and linear motions. It is obvious to me and I believe it should also be so to anyone who has any understanding of these entities that the simplest of these entities is a simple linear motion. When I looked into it, I found that field (sub-energy) particles, energy photons, and matter particles can all be constructed using just simple motions. Once this basic level of understanding is gained it can then be expanded to conceptually combine these entities together to get a better understanding of higher level structures such as the structure of the internal and external fields of matter particles and how those fields are used to capture and contain electrons in the external field and contain the particles in the nucleus within the atom while at the same time keeping the internal motions of those particles from interacting with each other, etc. This can then be expanded to understand how atoms bind together into molecules and molecules bind together into large scale objects, etc. Although it should be obvious that this conceptual stage of development has great power to allow the development of a deeper level of understanding of the universe, the other structure is then needed to bring out the details of the operation and interoperation of these entities at all levels of structure. That structure is mathematics. When new concepts are developed, they generally lead to the need to make new observations to confirm them and to increase the depth of understanding of those concepts. Math is greatly involved in making and quantifying these observations. Once the quantity of the new observations is adequate, math models can be constructed to show the observed relationships between the entities seen in these observations. The math models can indicate new observations that should be made based on extrapolations of the patterns of current behaviors into extensions of variables, etc. that would predict new outcomes under different conditions than those currently observed. My point is that both conceptual understanding and the application of math to deepen and develop the concepts into useable forms are equally important and both are required for prolonged advancement in understanding. As advancement continues both the conceptual and math models usually need to be modified to conform to new observational data and deeper level conceptual and math processing. When the system is functioning properly each is a check on the other's developments to be sure they both continue to adhere to reality. The current problems in physics and some other areas of science stem mostly from a lack of conceptual development. To a great extent this is due to the elevation in the minds of people of the importance of math structuring while at the same time a belief has developed that conceptual structuring is of less importance and is less accurate than math. Those who believe such things do not understand the different realms of development that the conceptual and math structures apply to. The conceptual structure applies to the overall understanding of things. It gives the big picture of how things are made and how they work individually and together with each other. Math is more usefully applied to developing the details of the structures, their operations, and interactions. It works best to focus on the smaller and smaller details while concept structuring works to put those details together into an overall structural understanding that encompasses all of the details into a workable whole picture of the structure of things. When the conceptual level is left out, there is no guidance as to what outputs from the math level are parts of reality and what parts are complete fictions. People tend to go off in all directions believing all of the outputs to be true because after all, the math model god has declared it to be so by its outputs. In reality both the conceptual and math levels can be wrong or incomplete and need modification. When the system is working properly they both work to correct each other's errors. I am attempting to correct current errors that are presently considered to be true valid physics by introducing a conceptual model of what is currently believed to be the most basic level of structuring, which is that of the structure of fields, energy photons and matter particles in the same way that past introductions of conceptual models of molecular structure and later of atomic structure were guides to those of earlier times. I hope that helps. Have you had a chance to look at the papers that I recommended to you in my previous comment? If so, what do you think about them?

Sincerely,

Paul

Dear John-Erik,

I found your essay interesting and aligned with my work to some extent.

I think you would be interested to read my 2012 FQXi essay titled "A Classical Reconstruction of Relativity" where I explain how the effects of Relativity can be explained Classically and the null result of the MMX can be explained with an ether type field. There are also some of my papers on ViXra (just search for my page under author Declan Traill to find my papers).

In my work I found that the ether field (space-time) is consumed by Black Holes, resulting in a similar type of in-falling ether wind which can explain the Galaxy Rotation rates. The field around other masses (other than Black Holes) however, remains static & it is a time dilation field that affects all waves (light, matter) by refraction essentially - causing the gravitational attraction.

One other point I would like to make: when light destructively interferes, the energy doesn't disappear, it emerges somewhere else. For example in the two-slit Young's experiment, the light from the dark regions is shifted to the bright regions such that the total energy on the screen is the same. It doesn't cancel out to result in zero energy.

Best Regards,

Declan Traill

    What happens to the falling ether when it enters a hole through the source mass from both ends? Does the wind from opposite directions cancel? If so, then how would this affect the rate of a clock at the center?

    Bear in mind that, according to general relativity, the rate of a clock at the center is supposed to be a minimum.

    If the wind from opposing directions cancels, does this make the rate of a central clock a maximum? If so, then how would this relate to the falling of material objects into the same hole?

      Declan

      I have seen your FQXi 2012 paper. In your diagram v/c is near 1. Michelson assumed 10-4. If Sun is entraining, Earth should also. Therefore, v/c is only 10-6. In the light clock mirrors force c, and not c+v, to be ortogonal to mirrors. Therefore, transverse ether wind (blowing inside the wave fronts) does not change the speed of the clock. Einstein's light clock does not react in any way to transvers ether wind. No effect in transverse arm in MMX either.

      Transverse ether wind cannot alter the wave fronts in stellar aberration.

      In longitudinal arm in MMX information moves 2-ways between mirrors. In a crystal information about position is moved by the ether 2-ways between atoms. So, 2-way speed of light is changed in the same way as the contraction of bodies. Therefore, the effect in the longitudinal arm is real but compensated contraction of bodies. This effect is 2 times the Fitzgerald contraction.

      Stellar aberration as well as MMX are useless in relation to the ether wind. We must instead measure 1-way light speed as we have done for decades in GPS. We find a spherically symmetric ether wind, also explaining gravity.

      Regards from ____________ John-Erik

      Richard

      Perhaps you have been mislead by the word falling, and perhaps you should read my article again. It is important to consider that fast and small ether particles are moving in ALL directions spherically symmetric. Near a large body the flow passing the body is SLIGHTLY attenuated. This SMALL difference IS gravity. This is Fatio's 300 years old model.

      Clock slowing is caused by bound electrons moving forth and back in relation to the ether wind. They are accelerating and decelerating during each orbiting period. This produces a second order effect.

      I suggest something very different from GRT and therefore does not have to bear in mind predictions by that absurd theory.

      I have demonstrated that my theory gives the same predictions as SRT plus GRT, however based on VERY different assumptions.

      Regards from _________________ John-Erik

      Which way is the ether wind blowing at the center? If there is no net direction, then why should the rate of a clock there be slow?

      Richard

      Spherical symmetry mean no ether wind in the center. This means no clock slowing.

      Vertical ether wind equal to the speed of a satellite in circular orbit predicts exactly the same clock effects as SRT plus GRT. Pioneer anomaly is also predicted, and caused by 2-way light speed and not by 2-way Doppler.

      Stokes in error reduced Michelson's prediction. Lorentz in error substituted what was missing by time dilation. So, not only GRT, SRT, LET are wrong, but also Stokes effect in the transverse arm in MMX.

      Best regards from ___________________ John-Erik

      Decan Traill

      Regarding your 'explanation' to destructive superposition:

      How do you explain that energy can disappear in one point and then pop up somewhere else?????

      Regards from _______________ John-Erik Persson

        Hi John-Erik Persson

        The opening sentences in your esteemed essay "This article demonstrates, that theoretical physics of today depends on more than 100 years old assumptions and interpretations of experiments, that are made in error. With the very advanced technology of today we have tools to correct these mistakes. ........ This article illustrates the need for more critical thinking to reveal old fundamental errors."

        Ether is one of the excellent ideas to be probed further. But there are some more Fundamental Errors in Physics My dear Persson................ very nice idea.... I highly appreciate your essay and hope for reciprocity.

        I request you please consider spending some of the valuable time on Dynamic Universe Model also and give your some of the valuable & esteemed guidance and other some fundamental errors.....

        Some of the Main foundational points of Dynamic Universe Model :

        -No Isotropy

        -No Homogeneity

        -No Space-time continuum

        -Non-uniform density of matter, universe is lumpy

        -No singularities

        -No collisions between bodies

        -No blackholes

        -No warm holes

        -No Bigbang

        -No repulsion between distant Galaxies

        -Non-empty Universe

        -No imaginary or negative time axis

        -No imaginary X, Y, Z axes

        -No differential and Integral Equations mathematically

        -No General Relativity and Model does not reduce to GR on any condition

        -No Creation of matter like Bigbang or steady-state models

        -No many mini Bigbangs

        -No Missing Mass / Dark matter

        -No Dark energy

        -No Bigbang generated CMB detected

        -No Multi-verses

        Here:

        -Accelerating Expanding universe with 33% Blue shifted Galaxies

        -Newton's Gravitation law works everywhere in the same way

        -All bodies dynamically moving

        -All bodies move in dynamic Equilibrium

        -Closed universe model no light or bodies will go away from universe

        -Single Universe no baby universes

        -Time is linear as observed on earth, moving forward only

        -Independent x,y,z coordinate axes and Time axis no interdependencies between axes..

        -UGF (Universal Gravitational Force) calculated on every point-mass

        -Tensors (Linear) used for giving UNIQUE solutions for each time step

        -Uses everyday physics as achievable by engineering

        -21000 linear equations are used in an Excel sheet

        -Computerized calculations uses 16 decimal digit accuracy

        -Data mining and data warehousing techniques are used for data extraction from large amounts of data.

        - Many predictions of Dynamic Universe Model came true....Have a look at

        http://vaksdynamicuniversemodel.blogspot.in/p/blog-page_15.html

        I request you to please have a look at my essay also, and give some of your esteemed criticism for your information........

        Dynamic Universe Model says that the energy in the form of electromagnetic radiation passing grazingly near any gravitating mass changes its in frequency and finally will convert into neutrinos (mass). We all know that there is no experiment or quest in this direction. Energy conversion happens from mass to energy with the famous E=mC2, the other side of this conversion was not thought off. This is a new fundamental prediction by Dynamic Universe Model, a foundational quest in the area of Astrophysics and Cosmology.

        In accordance with Dynamic Universe Model frequency shift happens on both the sides of spectrum when any electromagnetic radiation passes grazingly near gravitating mass. With this new verification, we will open a new frontier that will unlock a way for formation of the basis for continual Nucleosynthesis (continuous formation of elements) in our Universe. Amount of frequency shift will depend on relative velocity difference. All the papers of author can be downloaded from "http://vaksdynamicuniversemodel.blogspot.in/ "

        I request you to please post your reply in my essay also, so that I can get an intimation that you replied

        Best

        =snp

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          Satyavarapu

          Thanks for good words about my article. You seems to have many ideas in common with me. I think that there is too much science fiction in physics now.

          Yes, I will read your article and comment.

          From ___________________ John-Erik Persson

          Dear Fellow Essayists

          This will be my final plea for fair treatment.,

          Reliable evidence exists that proves that the surface of the earth was formed millions of years before man and his utterly complex finite informational systems ever appeared on that surface. It logically follows that Nature must have permanently devised the only single physical construct of earth allowable.

          All objects, be they solid, liquid, or vaporous have always had a visible surface. This is because the real Universe consists only of one single unified VISIBLE infinite surface occurring eternally in one single infinite dimension that am always illuminated mostly by finite non-surface light.

          Only the truth can set you free.

          Joe Fisher, Realist

          John-Erik,

          I can't seem to find my post of 26th. That's no the fist to have disappeared, Cristi reported one. Bizzarre!?

          To answer your question above; the energy doesn't 'disappear'. The amplitude reduces at one angle matched by increase at the orthogonal angle. Best visualise it as measuring a thin ellipse in orthogonal directions. Simply rotate or phase shift it and the major & minor axis reverse.

          I hope that's helpful. Wiki is also quite helpful on quantum optics & phase shifts.

          Perhaps my previous post was rotated 90 degrees so became as thin as a piece of paper and is no longer detectable!!??

          Best. Peter

          Peter Jackson

          Thanks for answer. However, to me the explanation you provided seems to be inconsistent in relation to destructive superposition. The same can be said regarding your attempt to explain how your comment disappeared.

          With best regards from ___________________ John-Erik Persson

          John Eric.

          That's QM for you! However logical consistency depends on starting assumptions, so try this (as my reply to you on mine but expanded)

          I show you a spinning sphere. I ask you to touch it and judge the clockwise or anti-clockwise rotation. You touch the south pole and clearly say 'Clockwise'.

          Now I can make your result disappear to ZERO without removing the spinning sphere!

          I simply rotate the sphere half a turn on either the y OR z axis. You find 0!

          Now stay there and start again. I ask you if it's spin UP or DOWN. Easy! But then rotate 90 degrees and THAT ALSO goes to zero! (there's no up/down or left/right momentum at the equator) We can rotate either the sphere or just YOU! (and at 180 degrees you find the opposite).

          The energy does not disappear! The spinning sphere is still there. It's all about at what angle we measure things. It's then entirely logically consistent once you use the correct starting assumptions. Exactly like QM in fact! Remember a two channel photomultiplier has orthogonal channels each with rotatable field electrons 'requantizing' input & amplifying to get a 'click'.

          In 'superposition', if one path had one polarization and the other was at 90 degrees a 'complete' result is found if 'in phase'. A full range of detector findings is then possible subject to phase and orientation. i.e. if 2 identical states are combined at one angle the result is twice the amplitude, but at 90 degrees it will be found below the detection threshold.

          It's all about understanding how detectors really work!

          Peter

          Peter Jackson

          Thanks for this explanation. It is more understandable. However, this is not enough, since my reasoning is based on light waves, not particles. I think that the transition from light particles to light waves is still not done completely. In my opinion the wave or particle confusion should be solved by ether as particles and light as waves.

          What do you think?

          Regards John-Erik Persson

          John-Eric,

          That's a very original approach, and I agree we should test all options. Indeed I have no issue with the 'sub-matter' medium being particulate as it must be discrete 'vortices' (motion) to exist at all! However it's not condensed 'matter' at that smaller scale so needs differentiation.

          And we mustn't forget the 'transverse' wave quality of light, so fluctuations over all 3 axes as it translates. So is the helical path of a 3D orbit a 'wave' or a 'particle'! It certainly travels as a wave of increasing circumference but must be made 'particulate' by any interaction. I also posted the response below on my string;;

          ..

          There's also a simpler way to test if 'destructive interference' is real. Move the back board of a 2 slit or similar interferometer experiment slightly forward or rearward. The light fringes become dark and vice versa. Huygens construction helps rationalise but modern quantum optics does even better.

          The 'build up' of 'single photon' events to a fringe pattern does however also show the retained 'particulate' characteristic on interaction ('requantization'). Richard Feynman thought 'duality' was just confusion, but things are now far less confused.

          (I'm sure the '1' applied to mine at the time of your last post wasn't you John-Eric.)

          Very best

          Peter

          Peter Jackson

          Thanks for mail.

          I agree with Feynman that wave or particle in confusion is just an evidence that we do not understand light. The fact that fringes changes over the surface means that they should change in transverse direction as well. I think that your simple test is not a certain evidence.

          Regards _______________ John-Erik Persson

            John-Eric,

            It does. It depends on polarization type and direction. Just turn the slits by 90 degrees and the fringes are transverse.

            Best

            Peter

            Peter Jackson

            Of course the pattern changes when you rotate the equipment, but that does not prove how it changes when you move the detector. You cannot prove light to exist in light. You know that there is transverse fields, but you cannot know if there is a longitudinal field.

            Regards John-Erik Persson