Dear Fellow Essayists

This will be my final plea for fair treatment.,

Reliable evidence exists that proves that the surface of the earth was formed millions of years before man and his utterly complex finite informational systems ever appeared on that surface. It logically follows that Nature must have permanently devised the only single physical construct of earth allowable.

All objects, be they solid, liquid, or vaporous have always had a visible surface. This is because the real Universe must consist only of one single unified VISIBLE infinite surface occurring eternally in one single infinite dimension that am always illuminated mostly by finite non-surface light.

Only the truth can set you free.

Joe Fisher, Realist

Christi,

Great conversation on my string, & thanks for your good advice. To reply to your comment above.

Yes Richard Feynman said he also 'gave up' the search as it was so difficult. But I look at it not as 'making QM classical' but as falsifying John Bell's view that "the founding fathers were wrong on that point.." that it IS classical & he, and we just hadn't found the flaw which would "take a leap of imagination" - and that we "should not stop looking" for it.

The flaw emerges as the assumption of 'no assumption' about particle pair form or dynamics. They must then assume 'superposed states' which 'can't be rotation'. Testing other models; If they're simply given Maxwell's orthogonal 'curl' as well as (left hand rule thumb) linear momenta, then anti-parallel polar axes, the mist is lifted on the classical explanation (using all 3 degrees of freedom, electron field interaction momentum exchange and known non-linear momentum distributions with field angle.

I hope anyone else reading this will take a look (also at Declan Trail's code & plot) as we'd like all to rigorously test the model pending publication.

Back to yours, as my firt post (stolen by the ghosts in the machine) - original, of interest and well written despite the misplaced comment on my string. Well done.

Best of luck

Peter

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Dear Christi,

very interesting - quite a detailed scenario for unification with many novel ideas. I must admit though there are many things I don't fully understand yet. For example, how is the unification approach via non-Lie-algebras related to the general theme of holographic fundamentalness? I find both ideas intriguing, but so far I can't grasp the relation. Can you help me?

In any case I'm even more convinced we should get together soon again.

Best! Heinrich

    Dear Heinrich,

    Thank you for reading my essay and for the kind comments. And also for the excellent question. I hope as well that we will meet again soon and discuss more, maybe at the next DICE conference.

    "how is the unification approach via non-Lie-algebras related to the general theme of holographic fundamentalness?"

    The Clifford algebras are generalizations of the complex number algebra, and the Cauchy-Riemann operator generalizes to the Dirac operator. The Dirac operator is present not only in the spin 1/2 particle equations, but also the Maxwell and Yang-Mills can be formulated using it. But just having all the equations written using the Dirac operator is not enough to guarantee the solution to be holomorphic. For example, the Dirac and Maxwell equations have nonholomorphic solutions. In fact, I didn't define yet what "holomorphic" means in this context, but I have an idea which involves gravity. If the resulting equation which contains the SM and gravity will be as I expect, then it will also guarantee that the solutions are holomorphic. But it's early to say that indeed this will be the case.

    I wish you success with your excellent essay!

    Best wishes,

    Cristi

    Hi Dear Christi

    Your article is written in very attractive style - as every time!

    I have a huge respect to Bohm's approach (despite for me a little bit more valuable De Broglie-Bohm theory!)

    //Holomorphic fundamentalness may be a mathematically consistent basis for holism and the holographic principle, but until we will have the unified theory of physics, it remains an exercise of imagination.// - Your idea seems to me as very reasonable. I believe it may be realized in any of time!

    Meantime I am dared to say that something has gone very wrong in our physics at the far-early beginning (that hardly anybody wish to listen!)

    So, I highly welcome your new work and I wish you succeeding in this contest!

    Best Regards!

      Dear George,

      Thank you very much for your kind comments and for your wishes. I wish you success with the essay (which I am looking forward to read) in this contest!

      Best wishes,

      Cristi

      It is a pleasure for me to see your essay coming on top few. Your mind generates ideas that simplify the geometry of growth of Physics, specially at the fundamental level of Particle Physics. On the other hand we have Cosmology where measurements are difficult , errors are large. How to construct the latter from the former at the fundamental level appears a task the human mind needs to tackle. I am amazed that fundamental particles and their connection to Higg's Boson isproving to be an enigma. Can you throw some light on why we should worry about the mass of the fundamental particles to be explained using Higg's Boson as the source? Fundamental to me means ultimate reality. It can never be approached as things tend to become difficult whenever we tend to get closer to the final solution. Many a times i feel our existing knowledge of Physics retards us to to reach a final end. If it is simple the approach should have freshness , rather than on the historical develoment of the way Physics got developed. That is , Methodology of doing sciences need to be freshened! My query is free of your expertise in Maths as i am deep down with experimental Physics. Maths can assist only in giving precision to present Physics formulations but can not go beyond the experimental facts already known firmly.

        Dear Narendra,

        Thank you! You said:

        > "I am amazed that fundamental particles and their connection to Higg's Boson isproving to be an enigma. Can you throw some light on why we should worry about the mass of the fundamental particles to be explained using Higg's Boson as the source?"

        I consider the masses of particles one of the greatest mysteries. Historically, to get rid of some problems of the weak interaction, such as it being not renormalizable, the electroweak unification was considered and a model was built. This was very nice mathematically, but it didn't explan why the electroweak symmetry was broken into electromagnetic and weak, and why the electron and the weak force bosons had masses. So the idea was of course to add some terms into the Lagrangian. And it turned out that including a scalar field which carries some weak force into the Lagrangian gives the desired symmetry breaking and couples with the particles to give them masses. The field itself has mass, and by coupling for example with the electron, it makes Dirac's equation have a mass term. Metaphorically, it is as if the electron doesn't have mass, but carries with it a part of the Higgs field having mass, to which is coupled by weak interaction. The idea works well, as proven by the discovery of the Higgs boson in 2012. But I believe there is a deeper explanation, which is geometric. If there was no Higgs boson, the Standard Model equations would have been invariant to conformal transformations, that is, changes the unit of length differently at each point. This amounts to multiplying the metric tensor in General Relativity with a function which varies from point to point. If we change the metric like this, the Maxwell equations, but also Dirac's and Yang-Mills, remain the same and their solutions remain the same. But if they have masses, this conformal symmetry doesn't work. So some physicists believe that the Higgs mechanism is in fact due to choosing a unit length at each point of spacetime, breaking thus the conformal symmetry, and there are some results showing that indeed this gives the same result as the Higgs symmetry breaking.

        Best regards,

        Cristi

        Dear Narendra,

        I borrowed the metaphor "Indra's net" to illustrate how the mathematical notion of holomorphic functions have this property that the whole is present in each of its points. Indra's net was mentioned in various Buddhist texts like the Avatamsaka Sutra, and was described in Cook(1977), chapter 1, page 2, in the following way (I mention this in my endnote 7, pages 11-12):

        "We may begin with an image which has always been the favorite Hua-yen method of exemplifying the manner in which things exist. Far away in the heavenly abode of the great god Indra, there is a wonderful net which has been hung by some cunning artificier in such a manner that stretches out infinitely in all directions. Inaccordance with the extravagant tastes of deities, the artificier has hung a single glittering jewel in each "eye" of the net, and since the net itself is infinite in dimension, the jewels are infinite in number. There hang the jewels, glittering like stars of the first magnitude, a wonderful sight to behold. If we now arbitrarily select one of these jewels for inspection and look closely at it, we will discover that in its polished surface there are reflected all the other jewels in the net, infinite in number. Not only that, but each of the jewels reflected in this one jewel is also reflecting all the other jewels, so that there is an infinite reflecting process occurring. The Hua-yen school has been fond of this image, mentioned many times in its literature, because it symbolizes a cosmos in which there is an infinitely repeated interrelationship among all the members of the cosmos. This relationship is said to be one of simultaneous mutual identity and mutual intercausality"

        Best regards,

        Cristi

        What a beautiful explanation to my enquiry? Your ingenuity of detailed analysis is remarkable. Your essay has reached the top three and i wish you reach the top. Geometry and then algebra are the off shoots of Mathematics. You are using these tools efectively in your expositions!

        Hi Cristinel

        Like usual you always write good essays, relevant and direct to the issue. I have pleaded with you in the past to look very closely at mine, but it seems the time is always wrong somehow.

        The reason that I like to look at mine is because it implements your program however it looks unconventional. In my idea every point in space which is as emergent as all other aspects of the fundamental structure caries all information about all other points (which represents the particles and their interaction), and that comes naturally. I have not plotted the points between the particles (not to overcrowd the results) but the information can be captured just like the point in the particles. Thank you.

        https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3127

          Hi Cristi,

          The picture you draw with Indra's net is beautiful and a wonderful exercise for the imagination.

          My essay imagines in a way the contrary. As condition for successfully define or measure a physical property, I assume the system must be separated from the environment (in order to be unitary). I would glad, if you could find the time to read and comment on my essay.

          Best regards,

          Luca

            Hi Adel,

            Thank you very much for your kind comments. You wrote:

            > I have pleaded with you in the past to look very closely at mine, but it seems the time is always wrong somehow.

            But the first time we interacted was during the last contest, and I commented on your essay. I also read your current essay, and if I will think at something helpful I'll comment. Good luck with the contest!

            Best regards,

            Cristi

            Hi Luca,

            Thank you for your comments. Your essay is in my planned reading list.

            Best regards,

            Cristi

            Hello Indra

            Dare I say, 'Wow!' I think our work is strongly connected. The following detailed comments are provided to show the connection. My apologies if these are rather long. My question is, are the nodes in my Harmony Set the centres of your pearls?

            Thoughts as I read through:

            You say, 'Isomorphisms of mathematical structures will play a central role.' I agree. I agree because it follows directly from the general principle of equivalence (my essay, in which the GPE is 'the' fundamental) and argument by Kant, so it is philosophically acceptable to me. The issue then comes down to whether the mathematical structure with which one begins is fundamental and well-founded, or at least a trustworthy representation of reality.

            You say, 'Could the world be made out of a small number of fundamental building blocks, by putting them together like we do with bricks when building a house?' I think, 'Absolutely.' It is these bricks that are the bones of my Harmony Set, derived from my principle of equivalence. Reading further it is surprising how closely your bricks seem to align to my own, though yours are derived as empiricist, while mine as rationalist. This is good.

            You consider Euclid's and Hilbert's geometries. I have a significant problem with this (not your fault) because these geometries lead to a provably transfinite number of contradictions (let me know if you would like to see this). Riemann and Hilbert were also concerned about this. The problem must be embedded in the axioms, and no one has yet identified which and why, however the conclusion is that lines simply cannot be sets of points. For example, how many points cover the line? If you try this, the mathematics blows up. My work dissolves these problems and removes the need for axioms, but to do so is not part of this comment. I like your identification of automorphisms and find that my own work coincides with this.

            My other concern as I reach the part on 'holographic fundamentalness' is that the connection between mathematics and physics has never been properly established, as shown by Wigner in his paper "The unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics in the natural sciences," available online, and also considered by other greats of mathematics and physics such as Einstein and von Neumann. My work provides a link but the Harmony Set is still quite basic, and points and lines are of a different nature, though they do produce a vector space. However, that's my work. I don't think this is fundamental to your next steps (having now read ahead).

            You then identify that you are considering an ontological relativity, and I think, 'Yay! Someone who gets it! We are looking for mathematics that is fused to the underlying reality.' Then 'lo and behold' you identify equivalence as being somewhat at the centre of it all. Does it not then immediately occur to the writer that equivalence itself (symmetry, equivalence and all equivalent ideas) is the fundamental?

            You then move into some high level mathematical physics which is essentially a literature review. Correct me if there is something new in that section. I note that my Harmony Set, raised into a 3-space topology (for which I have a basis, but not the detail yet) seems to produce at least some, possibly all, of the prerequisites for a Clifford algebra, but this would require a deal of work for me to connect the two. However, I will investigate this aspect, so you essay is valuable to me in this respect.

            Indra's pearls do seem to be very similar to what I get if I rotate up my 1-space Harmony Set into a 3-space topology, at least as a skeleton (this is not in my essay). Rotating up the 1-space Harmony Set as mentioned does produce complex vectors as well, so I am getting a bit excited (though dreading the volume of extra maths that I will have to derive to show the holomorphism).

            Now to the crunch. My model also had the 'problem' relating to it all happening at once, but if you follow the nature of evolution of the Harmony Set, the encoding within each pearl is evolving, and each step in the evolution is ontologically dependent on the previous state, so, while your description is quite reasonable, I would add to this in. You will note that this also gets around Parmenides' denial of change. Otherwise your proposal, as I read it, would be flawed for you need an ontological propagator, not an epistemological propagator (a la Feynman). Please, this is not really a criticism, because I like the treatment. I am just trying to add the missing part, which is in the essay that is precursor (https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1904) to my present submission (https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3041).

            Finally, the entire universe being enfolded in a spaceless and timeless point is one solution to my Harmony Set. Some might call it the trivial solution, but that seems deflationary.

            Fabulous paper. I rate it highly. If there was a book on this, your chapter would either be the chapter prior to or immediately after mine. You might consider my paper in the light of yours, and also my essay previous to this, which was in the It from Bit contest, which I think strongly relates. My question is whether the nodes in my Harmony Set are the centres of your pearls.

              Hi Adel,

              I commented your intriguing essay, I hope my comments are useful to you. But I can't see the connection between my proposal and your essay, which you said it implements it. Good luck with the contest!

              Best regards,

              Cristi

              Dear Stephen,

              Thank you for the comments, and for the parallels you make with your own essay. This made me curious, but more after I read it, to fully understand the connections you've made here. Until then, good luck with your essay!

              Best regards,

              Cristi