John,

Anything in motion in a matter medium creates paired vortices. Often we see them; in smoke, at wing tips and in all viscous fluids. If 'dark energy' has some sub-matter existance, and the same applies (i.e. pair production, Unruh effect, Higgs process etc.) Then the vortex will be the electron positron pairs (as their opposing 'spin').

As of 'what they're made of'? It's what you and I and everything in the universe is 'made of'! Apart from ever smaller states of motion we don't have a clue and haven't even yet thought it needed a name! Some years ago I suggested 'Comprathene' just for the sake of a name. I'm sure we can do better. Any ideas.

Good to see you back.

Very best

Peter

So, an electron (for example) is a spinning vortex of smaller matter particles. The positron has the opposite spin. When vortics of opposite spin collide their energy sums to zero. Vortices of the same spin can add.

I'll think about your suggestion.

I had been thinking the vortices were in an inviscid medium (plenum. ether, space, etc.) as a result of the motion of matter. Electron produce vorticies with a spin opposite to the positrons. Only 2 rotation directions with an axis in 3D. The vorticies manifest as the coulomb field that travel outward according to the spherical principle (1/r density). Neatly solves "What is charge?'

The next issue I thinking about is the EM signal within the STOE.

Hodge

John,

Your 2 descriptions both loosely describe what I hypothesised, but a Majorana fermion is found to be 'it's own antiparticle' which is exactly the paired opposing polar spin states of a SINGLE sphere of torus! Think about that for a bit; we can never interact with both hemspheres at the same time, so only FIND either clockwise OR anticlockwise (+1, OR -1)!!

Yes it's 'motion' (of matter) that creates the vortices. Electrons (or rather all fermions) then don't 'produce' spin, they ARE spin! The energy density reduces around the vortex so the overall spin density distribution in the greater area around a 'vortex' will be 'flat'. We'd experience the local uneven density distribution around matter as 'gravity'. If the matter is 'annihilated' the potential goes flat (no gravity).

The validity of that general approach is supported by the resolving power of the model when turned to QM. i.e. the astonishing classical derivation emerges!

EM waves (fluctuations) can only propagate in the ether at c, but not 'couple' or be modulated by it. However interaction with fermions DOES modulate, to LOCAL c giving CSL, so producing the effect we call SR in the process.

Does that help your understanding of the hypothesis, or compatibility with you own model?

Very best. (Yours is on my list)

Peter

Hi Joe,

I'm not sure 'fqXi' or most anyone would recognise a 'natural fundamental' at present! As Sabine H says, it's clear Academia really doesn't know what the f*** is actually going on, and it's unlikely the solution will come from that direction!

She's probably right, but then also applying to your second sentence regarding most all outside academia. I've suggested that's no shame, simply a function of the state of mans intellectual evolution.

I predict a heap more 'quantum histrionics' in the next few years as the revolution takes it's toll!

Very best

Peter

John,

Glad you're back. I've described 'space' as a 'sub-matter' medium, certainly not condensed matter but possibly just smaller states of the 'spin' that forms matter, i.e. the condensate, just with slightly different behaviour at that scale (see my post to John H above).

After presenting the evidence for it's existence as obvious I then said lets focus on the lowest 'matter' state before we get deeper into speculation, which identified a key solution. So one step at a time!!

Of course 'between' those smaller ('dark') energy states may be none! though there's no actual evidence of that apart from that we don't 'see' anything, and we don't 'see' 98% of the universe that we know is there!!

So in that case did I really "miss it"? And could it give the same solution to QM & SR?

I hope to get to yours before too long.

Very best

Peter

Peter,

A further point that arose in discussion with Georgina, Our senses detect form and motion. Forms are finite, while motion is positive/negative disequilibrium. Which would seem to imply equilibrium and infinity as preconditions. The absolute and the infinite, with the extant between them.

This also goes to my argument that there are two directions of time. That energy(motion) goes from past to future forms, while these forms coalesce and dissolve, going future to past.

To really press the issue, consider that galaxies are energy/radiation expanding out, as gravity coalesces in. Further aspects of this dichotomy are covered in my essay.

Think of absolute zero as volume, without any action. While it might be unattainable, the fact it provides a conceptual end point, or equilibrium between positive and negative, makes it hard to completely dismiss. It took mathematics a long time to appreciate zero.

Good Luck!

John

Peter,

I always enjoy your essays since you tend to emphasize measureable and observable things.

Your 10 axioms seem reasonable enough ... especially regarding polarizers. BTW, are those polarizers linear or angular? I want to buy some and don't want to buy the wrong ones.

I'm not familiar with Transition Zones or the behavior of antennae ... so that was new to me.

I have seen a video on the "Quantum Erasure". It is certainly difficult to understand. I tend to think that the wave-function is instantaneous and therefore it determines that the signal is recombined in path B while the signal is still travelling in path A.

All in all, this is a good essay.

BTW, I really think you would benefit from quaternions.

Best Regards and Good Luck,

Gary Simpson

Peter:

When I first saw your observation that vorticies are present at all scales, I thought this is exactly the kind of mechanism that should help describe QM phenomena. My mind raced. Then I thought the way this can fit in the STOE.

Your suggestion is also interesting. If a +1 (positron?) collides with a -1 (electron?), the result is photons. No gravity for photons seems the generality accepted view but debatable. At least energy survives.

Thanks I think I understand your model more. I'll think about it.

Thanks for the insight. Vorticies have to fit in somewhere in the Quantum world.

Hodge

Peter,

Thanks for the comments in my forum.

I'd still like to know if I should buy linear polarizers or circular polarizers:-)

Best Regards,

Gary Simpson

We will see, if the mentioned scientific r-evolution will be speedy or gradual, Peter. This remains an open and informed guess: the paradox and the mystery are part of science.Complexity is simple and simplicity is complex. The inter-section between logic and ethics is human communication; almost 30 years ago, I worked on paradigm change in technical science, consulting T.Kuhn often for his views. I tempted to say: the time is now.

    Stephen,

    If only...!

    My 2010 essay '2020 Vision' suggested 10yrs. But it assumed an optimistic rate of intellectual evolution. The QM solution only emerged from a test of the SR solution there.

    But even those most respected and experienced are simply ignoring it, no analysis, just paying lip service to the need for change but plunging heads into the sand.

    I'm told that's stage 3. I think the next is; "It's self apparent anyway." 2020? Hmmm.

    Very best.

    Peter

    John,

    Good. I'd remind you that electrons and positrons are opposite poles of a single 'vortex' body/fermion 'particle'. If opposite poles meet the potential reduces to zero 'annihilation', so the gravitational potential in the region flattens. 'Photons' would then be the result of interacting with the fluctuations from the disturbance (we can't measure any wavefront without interacting with and 'requantizing' it (via fermions) so will always find the energy in 'photons'.

    But also. As the wave motion is 3D at every point, we CAN also assign notional 'particulate' characteristics to it's orbitals, which normally also have helicity. That's difficult to visualise at first but clarifies with thought & slots right into many vacant 'link' gaps in the optical sciences.

    I should be at yours soon.

    Peter

    Dear Peter,

    I really appreciated your essay, even if sadly my lack of mathematical tools was an issue for many part of it (my formation is in philosophy).

    You point out that (and I agree)

    > the word 'fundamental' should be qualified with 'more' or 'less'.

    Then you conclude that

    > the apparently most ridiculously simple of concepts can resolve & unite incomplete and incompatible theories [...] That simple concept is relative motion.

    I wonder: how something relative can be considered fundamental? Should we consider relativity itself, as set of relations, as even more fundamental?

    It's a topic in common with my essay about absolute relativism, so I'm very interested in it.

    Bests,

    Francesco D'Isa

    Francesca,

    Many thanks. I minimised maths but we must pay homage. See my 'red/green sock trick' essay (top scorer 2yrs ago). Declan Trail's essay gives the code and cos^2 plot for the classic QM ontology identified.

    I started with just 'motion' but motion is an entirely relative concept, which needed saying. I see no dichotomy in cheese being tastier than music. Without relative motion there would be no matter so no perceptible universe, so I set the foundation at the condensation of matter while giving a nod to the condensate we can only speculate on.

    Sure it's a 'set of relations'. I look forward to finding the 'even more' fundamental in your essay. But 'Special' Relativity is, as AE defined, a special case, and resolvable if the matter condensed couples with EM fluctuations and re-emits at the new LOCAL speed c (=CSL). Well I never, we know that happens! It's only our disjointed physics and thinking (and theoretical inertia) that blocks advancement in understanding. We even ignored AE when he got it right in '52 (spaces in relative motion within spaces') as initial assumptions were by then embedded.

    Yes I agree 'absolute relativism' is fundamental. You're on my list. (Do also read Trail's essay for the holy grail proof if you haven't yet).

    Very best

    Peter

      Dear Peter

      IMHO, " the moon IS there when we stop looking! " because there are other copy moons looking down to every quantum of our moon. HOW?

      According to my Quantum FFF Model, we live inside one of an even set of instant entangled symmetric copy universes. Based on a new particle ( Charge Parity) symmetric Big Bang process.

      See also my essay:

      "22, We seem to live inside one material universal bubble of an instant entangled (Charge Parity Time) CPT symmetric raspberry bubble multiverse. Each quantum jump or wave function collapse or human choice is guided by this instant entanglement at long distant. If our material universes has a chiral oscillating Higgs field, then our material Right Handed DNA helix molecule could be explained. However it also suggests that in our opposing ANTI-MATERIAL multiverse neighbour universe the DNA helix should have a LEFT HANDED spiral.

      Also: according to Max Tegmark: in an entangled multiverse we may ask: is there COPY PERSON over there, who is reading the same lines as I do? If this COPY person is indeed living over there, then even our consciousness should be shared in a sort of DEMOCRATIC form, Then we are not alone with our thoughts and doubts, see: Democratic Free Will in the instant Entangled Multiverse.

      Conclusion, Quantum FFF Theory is based on Non-Local Realism. The CP(T)-symmetrical raspberry shaped multiverse (with 8-12 berries) is non local instant connected down to each quantum. Each quantum can be visualized as a deformed Axion-Higgs ring able to convert into other shapes and able to form compound structures like quarks, muons or even Tau leptons. So realism (cogwheels) connected by symmetric non-local instant entanglement. http://vixra.org/pdf/1401.0071v2.pdf See also: "Democratic Free Will and Telepathy in the Instant Entangled Multiverse." http://vixra.org/pdf/1612.0026v3.pdf "

      An old but extended simple experiment made by Benjamin Libet is able to prove our human VETO statistics as cruxial part of our FREE WILL by our veto freedom..

      See: http://vixra.org/pdf/1704.0003v1.pdf

      Dear Peter,

      thank you for your answer and for your interest in my essay. My point of view is more philosophical, and it has the virtues and vices of this kind of approach; the "more fundamental" level I refer to are relations - but you'll find it better explained there.

      I read Trail's essay as well, which I found very very interesting in its conclusions, but sadly I'm not able to evaluate their correctness.

      Excuse my very ignorant question but:

      > Without relative motion there would be no matter so no perceptible universe

      motion of what?

      All the best!

      Francesco

      Francesco,

      Good question. I suggest in my essay ever smaller states of motion as vortices. The QV and dark energy states may form the condensate but there's no known bottom (or 'top' for that matter!).

      So yes, I agree. I'll discuss on yours.

      Declan's, as mine simply gives a second option, effectively;

      A. Jet engines work by weird & magical probability drives coupled with distant pilots waving their arms.

      B. (New hypotheses consistent with evidence) Burning fuel spins turbines compressing air and pilots have direct control.

      Science has had to live with 'A' for 100 years so it's now established, though apparently unphysical. 'B' can't be right because it's different to 'A'.

      Stony silence from the academic community.

      I'll discuss 'what' on yours as that also seems no longer in professional physicists terms of reference.

      Peter

      Dear Peter,

      that's even more interesting... and mysterious. Sadly I've no means to evaluate - nor even to comprehend - Declan's physics hypothesis, nor yours, but sounds quite revolutionary as it is stated. Anyway the history of science is full of thunderous silences.

      yes, the "what" can't be maybe (yet) defined in physics frame... we maybe need a little philosophy.

      Bests and thank you for your answers,

      Francesco

      Dear Peter,

      While reviewing my reading list - essays I promised or just want to read but I was a bit slow - I noticed that your feedback to my essay disappeared, which seems quite strange. it doesn't matter, I just thought that you may want to know. I remember it was there, because you wrote that your favorite line from my essay is the last one, in which I convey the message that despite the arguments I brought in my essay, I don't consider holomorphic fundamentalness proven yet and I don't want to take myself too seriously :). Something that I guess you did more straightforwardly, already in the title of your essay. Your essay is well written, and you took an interesting path to making the case for the thesis "turtles all way down" based on condensed matter. (If I would explain in terms of turtles the core of my proposal, it is as if there are base turtles everywhere, but none of them is special, various hierarchies of turtles being related by isomorphisms, somewhat similar to how different frames are related by transformations.)

      Best regards,

      Cristi