The Nature of Time

I would argue that every graviton is a clock unto itself. As a clock, it performs all of the functions of time upon all of the quantum states within its sphere (literally within its sphere).

Hi Steve,

I don't think it makes sense to convert my idea into a mathematical language that neither of us understands. I mean, ideally, it would be great if you said, "Hey Jason! Putting quantum entangled photons through a redshft/blue shift centrifuge as a way to store gravitational energy in the form of linearized momentum states is a great idea!!!" I admit you might have to centrifuge the entangled photons a couple of million times, but you could end up with a very nice gravity field generator. If humans could build one, then maybe they would consider that UFO's use a same or similar kind of technology.

Hi Jason, I am nor a religious indeed, but I beleive in god, like I told you, I have read all the sacred books and philosophies also , I consider me like a rational deterministic christian universalist thinking in a god of spinoza , the bible or the other books for me have been created by humans very smart to check their comportments in utilising the love, the fear, the mystical things and others, I respect the religious, they are free but for me these books are not the real truth, they are just writen by humans , not by god. I don t considere the planck scale like a point but like spheres , for me god has chosen this shape like primoridal essence, and for the BB it is an assumption even if we have several interesting datas with the cosmic microwaves background. About the souls, I beleive that we continue a road indeed and that our uniqueness exists and is transformed, for me when we die , we are in the instant in the central cosm sphere and in the instant resynchronised on an other planet in a small baby ölike all turns, with a correlated evolutive brain, so we continue to nourrish our souls in encodings other informations in other environments and for the paradise, I consider tha we create it, so we are tools of optimisation simply, and we must utilise this consciousness with determinism and love and altruism simply, God exists for me but with determinism instead of religious thoughts , but I am tolerant . all are free to think like they want , take care dear brother human, jedi of the sphere :)

There are no superstrings. There are only 26 dimensional souls that are squeezed into a 3 dimensional human body.

We can have all our philosophies and thoughts but a sure thing, nobody knows this planck scale and what are the souls if they exists, we cannot affirm, we can just imagine and be humble, the dimensions furthermore for me are everywhere in 3D , it is the choice for me of this universe, God if you prefer, the 3D, the spheres 3D and the rotations and oscillations, the complexity appears with the infinite combinations of series that I have explained, the ime the fourth dimension is just a tool like for the quaternions considering these rotations in time, but it is not a real dimension, and so the strings begining in 1D and after towards 11D are false for me

I do like the concept of gravitons as the exchange particle of gravity force, but time emerges from matter action, not just exchange force. A single photon is the exchange particle of charge and has atom sized wavelengths and resonances and so each atom is its own clock in those resonances.

A graviton is just a biphoton that has universe size wavelengths and is the exchange particle of gravity relativity that holds neutral matter together. All atoms today are part of a biphoton graviton since their CMB light still exists and correlates with the exchange photon of their charge bonds.

The two-dimensional time suggested in the first post is an incomplete insight into the true nature of physical reality and therefore of time...but it is a good start...

Not an exchange photon. Why not try to explain the whole of spacetime itself as being made of gravitons that expand from a point, a Planck scale point, to a sphere if radium r = ct? The overlap of all these spheres is what creates spacetime itself. Why an expanding sphere? Because that's what the big bang did. So spacetime itself is made out of gravitons of t > 10 minutes e.g.

"Not an exchange GRAVITON"

Sphere of radius r = ct.

Aspling's quantum gates are simply atoms with quantum phase and so quantum gate time is equivalent to atomic time and is reversible. His irreversible time comes from wave function collapse, which is equivalent to universe time, which has no quantum phase.

Actually, the universe does have quantum phase, but on the scale of the universe. We are therefore in the collapsing wavefunction that we call the universe and so of course, universe wavefunction decay points the arrow of irreversible time...

I honestly don't know if wave function collapse can be proven experimentally. But if it can, then it's because wave functions are actually trapped gravitons. A trapped graviton can escape its captivity (within a particle system) and continue to expand at the speed of light, with its quantum states having been changed a little bit by its quantum encounter with particles.

You seem to have a very strange definition of a graviton, which of course is also a wavefunction just like a photon or an atom. A wavefunction is simply a generic term for amplitude versus mass (or equivalent frequency). You should use a different word if your graviton is not a normal graviton...

Hi Steve,

Right out of my Modern Physics and Quantum mechanics book by Anderson, the definition of a wave amplitude is "such that its modulus squared is proportional to the probability of finding the electron (or particle) at position x at time t. We can write a wave function in the form,

[math]\psi (x,t) = \psi_0 e^{i(kx-\omega t)}[/math]

Although this complex wave function is not directly observable (that is, measurable) it's physical significance rests on the assumption that the quantity,

[math]|\psi(x_1,t_1)|^2=\psi^*(x_1,t_1) \psi(x_1,t_1)[/math]

The whole point I'm trying to make is that I think the wave function is a real phenomena that makes physics work. In your own words "A wavefunction is simply a generic term for amplitude versus mass (or equivalent frequency).", you think the wave function is nothing special. Your not alone. A lot of physicists refuse to acknowledge the existence of the wave function. That's why we can't get to the cool physics! In my opinion, I think that the quantum wave states, using the operator,

[math]p_x = -i \hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial x}[/math]

can be used to define the momentum quantum states. Generally, momentum wave states are measured in a random way. That is, other than knowing what all of the eigenstates are, you can't predict which momentum state will be measured first, second, third, etc.

But I think there is a way to put those quantum states in a linear order. If that could be verified with an experiment, which I can describe, you could have a frequency term of the form,

[math]\omega(x) = \frac{\Delta \omega}{\Delta x}x \omega_0[/math]

You would have a frequency term that is linear with distance, that is, it increases with distance. What does this show? Well, take the equation for a wave function,

[math]\psi(x,t) = Ae^{i(k_x x - \omega(x)t)}[/math]

Watch this! Let's use the momentum operator to calculate the momentum expectation value . We get,

[math] = =-i^2(k_x - \frac{\partial \omega (x)}{\partial x})[/math]

The momentum is,

[math]p_x = k_x - \frac{\Delta \omega}{\Delta x}t[/math]

Then something interesting happens. The equation for a force is,

[math]\vec F = \frac{\partial \vec p}{\partial t}[/math]

What is the force?

[math]\vec F = \frac{\partial \vec p}{\partial t} = \frac{\partial}{\partial t}(h k_x - h \frac{\Delta \omega}{\Delta x}t)[/math]

The force caused by a linear distribution of frequency quantum states is,

[math]\vec F = h \frac{\Delta \omega}{\Delta x}[/math]

My idea is that a graviton has quantum momentum states already built into it. When they are captured by quantum systems, they behave like wave functions. When they are allowed to expand at the speed of light for many seconds, they overlap and become spacetime. Spacetime is made of quantum position/momentum states.

Hi to both of you, the problem is that these gravitons if we consider the fields and photons only have a problem of renormalization considering the QFT , yang mills and the feynman diagrams, the problem is really to consider only photons like main essence of this universe and so this GR is not renormalizable if I can say, there are several foundamental problems proving that we must think differently, the emission and absorbtion of these particles of gravitation must be considered in a different logic , that is why this planck scale in this reasoning becomes problematic ,that implies this non renormalization and the fact that we cannot quantize it, but in considering a gravitational aether not relativistic made of particles of gravitation non photonic and in respecting the newtonian mechanics, all seems possible, like I told you, I have reached it in changing the distances and in considering particles encoded absorbed and emited in the cold , this cold DM becomes the key. The problem is this GR and these photons and we must consider and superimpose a different logic that these photons I repeat, you can try all what you want with the strings or photons only , that does not solve the problem, so that implies that the vibrations oscillations even in the Mtheory are not sufficient , because the fields are not the solution but the coded different particles yes.It is not that they are massless but with a different mass permiting the balance universal betweem cold and heat ,in fact that implies that this gravitation is the main chief orchestra and that this electromagntism is just emergent but the main codes are gravitational in a gravitatioonal aether and space , this GR has created a problem. The problem also is to try to unify this GR and this quantum gravitation, in fact Einstein has just interpreted this gravitation for observations at high velocities, implying a curvature of this spacetime, but Newton is correct at all scales and at all velocities between the mass, that is why we cannot confound the observations with the real quantizations.That implies that the gravitational waves have nothing to do with this quantum gravitation , it is just a photonic effect , that is why the MONDs are not relevant for the problem of rotation of galaxies, but the cold dark matter solve this problem and the problem of renormalisation of this quantum gravitation. This cold dark matter solves many things at all scales and permit this universal balance between negentropy entropy, +, cold heat, electrons positrons, particles antiparticles, and others , this GR and these photons really have created a prison for the thinkers, Regards

An aether made of gravitons expanding at the speed of light can (1) provide the wave functions and all their quantum states for momentum/position and (2) expand and overlap to create spacetime. Spacetime itself is made of quantum states for position/momentum.

You do have very good intuitions about the graviton and photon, but you have to know that space and time are simply too limiting to make the leap from a quantum photon to quantum graviton. For example, you show a photon wavefunction as a function of x and t, but there is no meaning to either x or t beyond the event horizon of a black hole.

And yet science now can measure the gravitons from black hole mergers. Since there is no space and time in a black hole, the gravitons from a black hole merger seem to be coming from nothing. But just outside of each black hole, there is space and time and so gravity relativity works just fine just up to the merger despite there being no quantum phase in gravity relativity.

You really need to get into quantum field theory in order to break out of the limited boxes of space and time. Step operators from QFT show how photon exchange explains charge force and so Science assumes that graviton exchange will eventually explain gravity relativity as well...but Science is also trapped by the limitations of space and time.

You correctly show the photon wavefunction with ? as a function of x, which is called a spectrum in space, but that also means that k depends on t, which is a spectrum in time as:

psi(x,t) = A exp(ik/x/(t)-omega/t/(x))

This complicates your later differential, but in order to show a graviton wavefunction, you need something outside of space and time. This is because there is no way in quantum field theory to make a graviton because Science has no field theory for gravity relativity and so Science does not yet really have a graviton wavefunction. Your definition of a graviton is not consistent with a wavefunction at all much less with QFT. For example, a graviton must have a quantum spin = 2 among other things.

Since you are just using intuition and not really QFT, it is useful to show what a matter action graviton looks like. The matter action wavefunction is now valid for both photons and gravitons since each wavefunction is a spectrum of matter versus action, s, as well as a spectrum of action versus matter, m. Action is the path integral of matter from which both time and space emerge...

psi(m,s)= = A exp(ik/m/(s)-omega/s/(m))

You can kind of fudge space and time up with the second time dimension mentioned in Aspling's post. This second time comes from the collapse of the universe and is just one-half of the graviton wavefunction as

psi(x,tau) = A exp(ik/x/(tau)-omega/tau/(x))

Of course, a matter-action graviton is a product of two photons, a biphoton, one in t and the other in ?. While the t wavefunction has an atom-like spectrum and wavelength, the ? wavefunction has a universe-like spectrum and wavelength, some 1e39th larger than the atom. The atom-like and universe-like wavefunctions have correlated quantum phase and that is why gravity is only 1e39th of charge force and does not appear to have quantum phase. More correctly, a graviton has quantum antiphase, but gravity relativity does not include antiphase as a product of two correlated phases, which gives a biphoton a spin = 2...

Blast it...where is the edit button? Here are the left out brackets...

psi(x,t) = A exp[i(k/x/(t)-omega/t/(x))]

psi(m,s)= = A exp[i(k/m/(s)-omega/s/(m))]

psi(x,tau) = A exp[i(k/x/(tau)-omega/tau/(x))]

well, we need to know more what are for your the foundamental objects , what do you consider steve ? strings , points and why , and what is the origin of our universe ? because if you think that we have only photons like main essence, so explain why and if the strings and the fields are for you the answer, explain why also , the GR relativity is just due to photons, so why are you persuaded that these photons are the only one piece of puzzle, and also how can you affirm that these gravitons like biphoton are correct, they are hypothetical

you seem to make the same error strange than all the strings theorists , we don t need lessons with things known, but we need to find and prove our unknowns and if my memory is correct , nobody with the strings and geonetrical correlated algebras has explained this quantum gravitation, and the biphoton frankly is not the answer, so why you speak about these biphotons, why they are special and can solve?you are too much persuaded like many that the photons are the only one piece of puzzle and the fields also like origin, but nobody can prove nor the strings nor the fields like origin, so nor the photonic gravitons with this GR,