don t worry Gerhard, he is just angry and want to discriminate this project, he is not tolerant simply, I delete this thread and all discussions trying to discriminate our project shall be deleted, he is free but not free to tell lies simply because we think differently than him

we dont want these kind of discussions simply, we are here to discuss about concrete global universal solutions, not ironical things and judgements

You delete my thread because you can't win the argument based on merit.

no I respect the rules of FQXi and this group, you try to just discriminate us by vanity and anger, and you have no concrete solutions, so I delete becuse it is just not relevant, you tell us stupidities, so we delete , you have no merit Jason, you just want to impose your ideologies and you are not tolerant and now it is ahate and a vanity wich govern you simply so all will be deleted because it is simply not relevant for this group

Indeed, Jason or anyone else should behave in an academic discussion. You have academic freedom that provides some leeway for freedom of expression and opinions yet it needs to be vested in facts and logic and brought in a well mannered way. Jason loses out on all counts. And he is proven irredeemable.

No , still false and your anger continues due to your vanity , I have explained that I find sad that we live ion a planet where we have borders, unconsciousness and stupid inventions and I hope these things shall dispappear in the future because we can live without guns, and borders,and I understand that sometimes we must actually utilise them because we must fight the evil, the bad, but you confound all and your anger eats you now,

The only reason I am thwarting your efforts is because you are against freedom. You think that humanity can be controlled in a deterministic way, that is, if you can convince them to give up their guns.

Guns = freedom

You will NEVER have your deterministic solution because people don't act that way unless you use violence to suppress them. Are you THAT kind of a person? I have no idea if you are? So I'm asking.

I repect the rules of FQXi and the group, we must stay on topics, no religions, no politics, no personal attacks, we can critic but rationally and respectfully,

Don t continue Jason, I will delete always if it is off topic and odd, and I stop also to answer now, regards

The UN-link left out. Here is the link for 'no poverty'. A quote:

More than 700 million people, or 10 per cent of the world population, still live in extreme poverty today, struggling to fulfil the most basic needs like health, education, and access to water and sanitation, to name a few. The majority of people living on less than $1.90 a day live in sub-Saharan Africa. Worldwide, the poverty rate in rural areas is 17.2 per cent--more than three times higher than in urban areas.

If you don't want to work it must be seen as an expression of your will? Also 1,90 is not much...

https://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/poverty/

If you notice this: struggling to fulfil the most basic needs like health, education, and access to water and sanitation, to name a few.

In a socialist system like we have in Scandinavia these are payed for by all citizens. This is the taxes.

I know that the water-law is different in USA, water belongs to the state. Here water belongs to all to use, with permission from state if it is a polluting or destroying system.

Also Nature belongs to all here. You are free to walk or pick berries, mushrooms etc. everywhere, except in front of houses.

I repect the rules of FQXi and the group, we must stay on topics, no religions, no politics, no personal attacks, we can critic but rationally and respectfully, thanks for your understanding to all participants.

Ulla,

I believe Scandinavia is part of NATO. With all that money you have available in your country, I'm starting to understand why president Donald Trump wants to make sure all of the other members of NATO pay their fair share of the costs.

'what if someone doesn't want to work? Are you going to just give that money, food and a place to live? Who is going to pay for it? '

Here the system is different for foreigners, immigrants and native citizens. In general if you flee your country and ask for a visa here you get all these for free. The socialist party and others in Belgium/Europe also work for this. It can be discussed if it is good to give people in dispair a favour, but this is the system here for now.

Ulla.

GLOBAL ECOLOGY: I beleive that it is a very important point for this earth and the points of equilibrium. We cannot live without these ecosystems and this sciences can be harmonised with consciousness.

These ecosystems have the potential to be utilised correctly, we can respect its foundamentals and improve and increase their interactions. The UN can understand with logic that it is an important piece of puzzle. We can of course depollute globally this planet due to many errors due to humans and societies and enteprises, the soils , the air and the oceans can be washed, that can give jobs.But for this the governments must take their responsabilities with concrete programs.

An other important point if the global improved ecosystem, we can multiplicate the vegetals and naimals and harmonise their interactionslike I told in creating a kind of studied global garden. The vegetal totipotence is essential like their multiplication and growth. A town like New York for example could have a calculated ecosystems mass of animals and vegetals in function of the mass of towns, the walls and streets for example can have animals and vegetals everywhere in harmonised interactions, that can give concrete jobs too and we can utilise their productions.

An other point essential for me in all humility is the composting at big global scale, it exists in a small part of compost many animals, fungis and vegetals and it is the basis of the natural food chain, furthermore they are excellent added to argils and oligo elements, mineral salts and others like perliut, vermiculit ...they permit to create optimised adapted argilo humic complex, the plants grow very well in these substrates. The compost can permit too to restabilise our poluuted soils and they permit also to increase the quality of our vegetals and so our animals eating them.

Our oceans too are essential , they must be depolluted and improved in the same reasoning in respecying their dynamics. The production of foods for our soils and oceans can reach points of equilibrium. We must be conscious that for us and the future generation these ecosystems are foundamentals, we cannot live without them, and even if we create systems in space in orbit like these wheels, we need them also. The O2 and H2O are so important that we must respect them like our soils and the air , it seems not possible to live without them , it is logic.

All this to tell that the UN for me must make a priority also about the ecosystems and their harmonisations , and the fact that they can create jobs for sustainable roads also is essential.

The nature around and its potential is unified with us, we are part of it, and we can utilise the sciences correctly.

    Finland does not belong to NATO, and this is not a question about poverty either. Start a new thread. Be polite. Thanks.

    Ulla,

    How your homeland spends its excess income is entirely the decision of the voters. If socialism works in Findland, that's great! Capitalism works in America. Universal solutions don't work.

    :)

    I'm still waiting for the ocean level to rise hundreds of feet with the melting of the polar caps caused by excess CO2. Sorry to say this, but I think it's all fear mongering and political espionage. According to maps, the north pole melts every 500 years or so.

    capitalism and socialism harmonised work in Finland because they have understood that both are important, they take care of all their humans simply, it is simple in fact, it is always a balance the most important,