Goal 8 reads: Sustained and inclusive economic growth can drive progress, create decent jobs for all and improve living standards.

COVID-19 has disrupted billions of lives and endangered the global economy. The International Monetary Fund (IMF) expects a global recession as bad as or worse than in 2009. As job losses escalate, the International Labor Organization estimates that nearly half of the global workforce is at risk of losing their livelihoods.....

This is also what we do in Scandinavia. We need a growth to be able to take care of the poor education, health, police etc. The system is built on growth.

Here you can read about Lean economy, built on a system with a small growth, or a more balanced system. Is it vulnerable or stable?

Ulla.

it is an other problem the climate and and others, there it is the adaptation and concrete calculations of adaptation the most important, the governments must prevent

we are numerous now on earth and some places are more difficult than others , all is a question of good governances it seems to me for these adaptations and preventions if problems arrive, regards

Jason,

Opportunity zones work by giving people and corporations a series of capital gains tax breaks for investing in opportunity funds, which then invest in zones, and holding those investments over time.

Seems they are not proved to work. But this is clearly a try of Trump to go in a more social direction. Odd that he had to sabotage Obamas try to get a free healthcare then.

Here low-income people also get support from the community. We have funds for stimulations of sustainable living etc. Taxes are graded.

This sounds a bit hazardous: tax breaks for investing in opportunity funds...

In Sweden they have a very bad experience of such funds. Many lost their retirement money.

Ulla.

Ulla,

I definitely support president Trump's idea of helping businesses with multipliers to their own efforts. Instead of just giving people free money like socialists do, you make their efforts more effective.

Capitalism gets people to invest in their own community. Giving away free money makes people dependent on the government.

Jason

I offer for your consideration...

In order to weather the current and coming storms; we must move from gut reactions to heart reflections and from feeding the energy of fear to sharing the energy of love. This is not easy in the modern age. But it is what's required to evolve from an adolescent to an adult mentality.

I have recently published a collection of Octonion Poetry that offers a roadmap for how to move the mood of humanity from one of competition toward global cooperation and collaboration to solve the world's problems. That document is attached in preprint form for this discussion.

Best,

JonathanAttachment #1: UnityOnenessNumbers-OctonionPoetry.pdf

    Guess how much faith I have in governments and the science community that tell me we have to shut the economy down to resolve global warming? I'll give you a hint. I'm glad president Trump pulled us out of the Paris accords.

    Let me know if you come with solutions that are not trying hurt the United States.

    Jason, the aim is to find solutions where all wins and where we hurt nobody, we must also consider the different cultures and ideologies and find the best adaptations, the sciences and the consciousness can do it, the UN have 17 interesting goals, and they can be improved in adding concrete ideas where the win win is a reality, in fact we must hurt nobody simply, the USA , india, china, europa have a big responsability , there are many countries, not only one.

    Countries that have a national heritage should be encouraged to express their nationalist instincts.

    Everyone should be encouraged to discover their own personal mission, goal or role in this world; and to fulfill that goal to the best of their ability.

    Differences in beliefs should be settled with debates, arguments.

    Every human has certain inalienable rights to include the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

    Governments are in a position to make deals with hospitals, doctors and pharmaceutical companies in a way that will lower health care costs without creating an unfair burden upon these same institutions.

    People have the right to self defense. If that means owning firearms, then let them be encouraged to train properly.

    Keep taxes low.

    Let people start businesses. Let those businesses be protected by proper law enforcement and court systems.

    the problem is more complex, of course we must adapt us in respecting the heritages of all countries, we are on a planet with many differences, and the extreme nationalsim is not good forme, the leaders must be responsible, we tend to wards a global unification in creating a kind of global village harmonised. The fund become essential to create enterprises and weneed indeed to create jobs and wealth, but we know also that many are not real universalists and that sonme enterpises imply problems, but it is an other story. The law enforcement court systems also must be neutral and universal, we know that all court systems are not always universal unfortunally, we return so at the good governances and responsible powers, without this , we cannot reach the points of equilibrium. It is really the universal improvement the most important for me in all centers of interest and spheres of activity. The freedom is foundamental but we know also that the human nature and unconsciousness also are paramters real unfortunally. The problem is complex Jason, not so simple in fact. The models of each countries are in function of their heritages but no model is perfect due to this human naturem that is why I insist on these responsible governances. It could be well to take all the best laws and systems of each countries and discuss and harmonise the laws of each countries also.

    Hi Jonathan, thanks for sharing your beautiful paper about these octonions, I like these lie algebras also, I consider them in my model, I just consider finite series of 3D spheres instead of strings or points but that can converge because they oscillate also these 3D spheres, the hopf fibrations on surfaces can be relevant, mainly in my theory to rank the quasi particles, thanks still, take care, friendly

    Hi Steve,

    I am not a globalist or a universalist. Individual nations are encouraged to work hard to promote capitalism, good infrastructure, an educated population so that corporation might want to open a factory in their country to create jobs. Workers rights and competitive worker pay have to be negotiated. But it's not America's job to sacrifice it's own industrial sector so that those same jobs go overseas.

    "The freedom is foundamental but we know also that the human nature and unconsciousness also are paramters real unfortunally. "

    So you are against freedom because you think that human nature is bad. That is exactly why I oppose your Marxist positions. I still regard you as a friend Steve. I just think your badly misguided.

    Do you think you are a tyrant? Am I misjudging you?

    Hi, I dislike the communism and marxism lenninism, I am an universalist yes and I beleive strongly that the nationalism is dedicated to disappear, the human nature is good but we know that we have bad evolved and make many errors due to our vanity, the fact that we are divided, our past and the psychology, we are not perfect Jason and we evolve, what I tell is that the capitalism is good when the consciousness is correlated and it is not the case actually generally, and that the socialism is good when also it is balanced with this capitalism , I am for the freedom, but you could understand that we have a fake global freedom, maybe you are well and happy in USA, but it is not the case for all in your country, and not everywhere also on this earth, with or without the approvements of persons against, the countries and borders you know are dedicated to disappear because simply we tend towards universal logics and so we must create a big global village where all find its place, and it is the reason why we must work with conciousness for this, I hope that these borders shall disappear in the future like these arms, but I am conscious that we cannot make this actually in one year, that needs time, that is why the leaders muts be universal, you cannot bge against the universalism, it is a truth Jason, you know Jason, the tyrans for me are the persons wanting to impose their ideologies and religions and philosophies, at this moment I speak like an universalist, if a person is seen like tyran disliking the universalism and the real freedom, it is not me my friend, I like you also , but you misguide the real truths Jason, you are too much persuaded about things not proved and not foundamental but I like you , we just discuss, I hope you shall find the wisdom one day instead of think in extreme ideologies. Regards lets compete nicely , we begin only :)

    You know Jason , we are not in a game or a competition, but we must learn the real universal cooperation, it is a foundamental, you beleive maybe that the humans are animals loving the competition but you forget this evolution, this consciousness and the fact that we don t lack of space, energy and potential, Darwin is just for a limited system in space.he was false, and with or without the nationalists you know Jason, we are dedicated if we survive to create a system equal for all, the USS the united states of the sphere , not the USA Jason, you can be against but it is a truth with or without the approvements of ideologists against this simple truth. You come from the same familly than all, you live in USA but you cone from africa and I suppose that you know the evolution of hominids ? if yes so you know your origins, like your actual origins form europa probably, so you have immigrated and so I suppose you are not against the immigration, the fact that this planet is well governed becomes a big harmonised village is a foundamental where all are free , work and are well. Are you against this ? if yes, there is a problem indeed , it is a kind of not logic thought.

    I am even persuaded that the best universal thinkers in this UN think like that, they want the well of all lifes on earth, animals and vegetals. The UN has an enormous responsability to reach the points of equilibrium and we must support these foundamental goals in taken into account all the parameters of adaptation, they must undewrstand all cultures, all systems, enteprises, societies, ideologies, philosophies and find the best road for this global win win at all scales. It is not an utopy but a necessary road for the well of all. I love the USA and I beleive strongly that big brother has an enormous responsability like China and india , china and india are going to change the face of this planet and all can win , 1 person on 3 are indians or chinese and it is important to listen them also. Like all the other countries of course also, if fact the democracy for all is essential like this universalism. It seems evident for all persons encircling the universe and its foundamental laws.

    Under the Trump administration, we through off the shackles of marxism, universalism, reverse discrimination (false charges of racism), attacks on our second amendment rights, attacks on our heritage and national identity, attacks on our JudaoChristian religious values, attacks on our borders, culture,...

    This thread claims to want to help people around the world. If you wanted to raise money to build water wells in poor countries, I would understand. But what you're talking about Steve Dufourny, is Marxism, it's tyranny.

    I don't want to beat on you about your tyrannical values. You are exactly like a captured Borg on Star Trek that propagandizes the crew "Resistance is Futile!" LOL

    "...I am for the freedom, but you could understand that we have a fake global freedom..." Which makes you sound like a tyrant or a spy!

    Are you a spy?

    I can't delete the comment. You should probably delete it.

    Jason, you are odd, I am not against your heritages , I am for the universalism and you seem against simply, you tell odd things, I respect the different cultures and religions , but I don t like the extremisms in these ideologies wanting to impose their own logic, it is the real meaning of the tolerance and freedom Jason, we name this the democracy and the universalism logic and rational, You have many things to learn Jason, I love star trek and the person against the universalism is not me, you could be more tolerant and less extremist in your thoughts, you could be a real jedi of the sphere , for this you must be more universal and tolerant. Why are you against a better world for all, and why are you against the universalism with love and determinism ? I cannot encircle this, you believe in ghosts, you like the arms , you see aliens and ufos, and others things, you tell that trump can improve the planet with telepathy with aliens and this and that, it is odd, please be more rational and universal,

    Respect also the rules of FQXi, don t attack the persons in lying Jason please, I am an universalist simply , and I want the real freedom for all, and I am tolerant, you can be against this project, you can hate me, but please don t lie and don t impose your ideologies, we are all free Jason, but the freedom has limits when the people lie simply

    I am in support of the right to free speech, the right to debate, to argue, to challenge the validity of someone's logical argument. So therefore, you are mistaking my exercise of free speech for "judgementalism". Why would you use the word "judgement..." I am not a judge! Are you implying that I am judging you in some Christian or Catholic way!!!!

    (growling!) HEATHEN!!!!

    LOL I'm kidding about the "heathen" part.

    "I cannot encircle this, you believe in ghosts, you like the arms , you see aliens and ufos, and others things, you tell that trump can improve the planet with telepathy with aliens and this and that, it is odd, please be more rational and universal, "

    President Trump is about Capitalism, growing the economy, protecting our freedoms, protecting our culture, our history, our second amendment rights, our borders. I support president Trump.

    What you said about UFOs, aliens, telepathy, etc., is more what I'm about. There have been a lot of UFO reports around the world, maybe even in your area.

    Advancing technology towards superluminal travel and gravity drive propulsion are things that I support and work towards as a goal.

    Am I in contact with ET's? If you were smart, you wouldn't rule it out. I did come up with a breakthrough in physics to explain quantum gravity.

    You should encircle the idea that I have an IQ of 350 and can communicate using telepathy. You should assume that I am reading your thoughts right now!