The religious fanatism is dangerous like the nationalist ideologies , and the problem is global, not only for the muslims, in europa and USA they exist also the christian extremists, and when we analyse the globality so we have an enormous problem , the USA and europa are the bigger productors of arms and weapons and the saudia arabia is the biggest buyer, and when we add the vanity, hormons, unconsciousness and other , so we have a big problem dear all if we are not well governed . The USA , europa, have wonderful universal thinkers but it exists also foundamentalists religious, and in the muslim world, we know that they are numerous against a kind of capitalism and christianity, I am worry , a global WW3 will not be made by the conscious universalists but by unconscious leaders in all countries, they exist unfortunally and I fear in the future if some politicians want to make it, they exist unfortunally and the hate also exists, I beleive that the UN must be totally universal and take its responsabilities to evitate this chaos, we have two roads, a chaotical one or a harmonised one and only the good governances universal and rational can solve this global problem because we are all linked , different due to our cultures, heritages and ideologies but linked and in the same boat and we must protect for the well of all this boat.

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    Gerhard Ris Alas the only way to get to their hearts and minds is to show that a different way of understanding what a human is, will make everyone successful.

    Yet that needs to be irrfutably proven in a practical test.

    Only when teamed up properly and having decent bread and decent games without pestering can humans think properly. We have probably run out of time, yet might stil mke it in the nick of time.

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    Steve Dufourny yes indeed it is well said, a new road tending to this universalism where the nice competing and cooperating nations well governed act with wisdom instead of this unconsciousness, the points of equilibrium can be reached. Friendly

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    Ulla Mattfolk Only when teamed up properly and having decent bread and decent games without pestering can humans think properly.

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    Muhammad Abdul Basit Khilji

    Muhammad Abdul Basit Khilji You are right.

    But what is the main problem?

    Don't mind.

    And why?

    Who they are?

    The answer is Atheist. They can target every religion!!!

    I saw many timeテ-- 100 in many science groups, that theses atheists target every other religions, so they will destroy our research and our science!!@

    Don't mind, Atheists!!

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    Steve Dufourny Hello, it is complex, the atheists sometimes can be good humans , I beleive that maybe it is the lack of consciousness,

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    Muhammad Abdul Basit Khilji Not all atheists are bad!!!

    There are many others in Islam, christianity......, that use bad grammar to destroy our society, but atheists can destroy our characters.

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    Steve Dufourny you reach an important point indeed, all seems a question of consciousness and philosphy after all

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    Muhammad Abdul Basit Khilji Yes, it is big problem.

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    Steve Dufourny Muhammad Abdul Basit Khilji Yes , I am worry about the fact that many odd systems unconscious continue, they exist everywhere like the corruptions and the bad governances, maybe it is time at this UN and in all nations to give the keys in the hands of universlists, conscious having concrete global solutions in sciences also to reach these points of equilibrium, if not these unconscious lacking of universal faith are going to destroy all at my humble opinion

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    Muhammad Abdul Basit Khilji Steve Dufourny Yes, there are many devils in every society mean in every religion. They are trying to destroy the peaceful environment. United Nations plus us must take action against them , to stop them. But on the other hand side some of the departments of UN failed to work equally for everyone in the world.

    For example,

    1) WHO in Covid-19.

    2) UN failed to solve Kashmir and Palestine territory .

    3) Afghanistan fight.

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    Steve Dufourny Muhammad Abdul Basit Khilji if we must make a war, it is against all these unconscious for me everywhere in all countries, a nice war in sorting them and stopping them, their only one goal is to make money, satisfy their vanity, their greed, their hormons, ego and profit of the global system, they are the global problem , and this reality exists everywhere in all countries, the nice universalists have been too nice maybe in fact simply

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    Steve Dufourny Muhammad Abdul Basit Khilji yes sure I agree, the UN seems to have too much problems to solve and lack of potential, their goals are essential but they don t reach them, they are just words , it is still due to fact that the majority don t respect these hoals with this said consciousness

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    Steve Dufourny Muhammad Abdul Basit Khilji if you want , you are welcome on this group that I have created on FQXi , global collaboration, our goal is to unite the real universal scientists and create a manifest of solutions adapted to convice this UN, it is the begining but I will not stop, we must try to solve

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    Muhammad Abdul Basit Khilji Steve Dufourny yes, you are right. UN can't solve every problem in the world. I think it is impossible!!

    But Kashmir and Israel- Palestine both are problems in which N- number of simple and good villagers were killed. ...Voir plus

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    Steve Dufourny Muhammad Abdul Basit Khilji I can understand indeed , the hate increases in many nations due to fact that we don t solve generally and globally, so people looses confident in this UN, the same for the hunger the forgot place, children die and we go on mars ,it is more than paradoxal, it is ironical and sad, it lacks several universal parameters, in fact people speaks but don t act really at this UN unfortunally, we must change , if not we shall pay quickly the price and the chaos will be a reality instead of this harmony

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    Muhammad Abdul Basit Khilji Steve Dufourny yes Sir, that's the reality.

    On the hand side, Since last 6 months American especially President Trump saying, UN working only for Chinese, while Chinease blaming Americans.

    People in Asia thinking " American is the UN.

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    Steve Dufourny Muhammad Abdul Basit Khilji there is a problem of ideology between these two countries, I beleive strongly that the balance between them is a foundamental, the china, and USA could find the points of equilibrium between the capitalism conscious and the socialism conscious, but the big question is, are they ready to work together for the well of all, they must take their responsabilities it seems to me

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    Steve Dufourny India, europa and the arabic world also must work with them

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    Muhammad Abdul Basit Khilji Steve Dufourny that's the correct 100%.

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    Don t be still persuaded, you affirm still too much, I am more tolerant than you and it is easy to see for all rational universal thinkers, you you are not tolerant, I respect all religions when they are not foundamentalists extremists wanting to impose their ideologies to the others, I have friends in belgium, they are catholics, others are muslims or chines and they are nice, they are not the problem, the extremists religious thinking that only their religions is the truth are the problem for me, mayve you are like this , I am not sure still but in seeing your comportments and ideologies, I belein to think that yes you are an extremists judeo christian not tolerant, you cannot accept the other religions I beleive and the other ideologiues, it is easy to recognise, you act like an elected connected with god and praying a book to satisfy this, it is not the persons like you I beleive who are tolerant and are able to speak in a total universalism and democracy, but maybe I am false,the persons like this are quickly irritated when we think differently, me I respect your religions and biblle if and only if it is not extremist and fanatic , you don t possess the truth, nobody in fact, the real secret is to be a good universal human full of love , democracy and tolerance, it is simple

    so yes you are false, I love the faith and the real persons of faith nice, tolerant, kind, praying the universal love, I am against the others stupid in fact simply extremists and fanatics,praying with a fake love to satisfy their syndrom of elected and in fact who don t like the differences and so their fellowmen really, they are easily recognisables, they speak always about their God, they beleive that they are special and elected, they don t accept no other religions, no other philosophies, no others ideas , beliefs and ideologies, all what they want is that all live and think like them, they are actually a big global problem in all religions, the others quiet and nice are not the problems, a conscious jew, hindouist, buddhist, christian, muslim understanding the universal love and altruism they can eat together at the same table in respecting each others and in sharing this love, the extremists cannot do this, their hate eats them unfortunally, they don t understand god simply, they beleive that yes because they have simply a psychological problem probably due to their encodings, evolution, environments and education, they are not going to solve this planet, the real universalists yes, we see quickly that they don t accept this truth due to their vanity, so they attack or are angry or want to have the last word, in fact that shows a non tolerance and a fanatism simply, they are sick for me

    I have met overbearing religious people before. Do you know what is worse than an overbearing religious person? An overbearing atheist.

    An overbearing atheist is willfully blind. You could show them that the universe, the laws of physics, are so elegantly designed, like a Farrari of universes. The atheist will close their eyes, lie, and say: Nope! It was an accident!

    I have met many overbearing atheists who were supposed to be educated in the sciences in such a way that they saw no need for God. But when you press them, when you ask questions about physics, it turns out they don't know any physics. Their knowledge is FAKE.

    In a time when people need hope, need to know that God loves them, the overbearing atheist says "they beleive that yes because they have simply a psychological problem probably due to their encodings, evolution, environments and education,"...

    you rebegin your circus Jason ? I have explained that I d like a world in the future without guns and weapons because the consciousness evolve and that we can live in peace in respecting all diffrences, cultures, heritages, nations, and yes I am for the universal love, but apparently you are against this, are you an extremist also hating the persons who think differently , I irritate you with this universal love and altruism and my theory and project, what is the problem ? the vanity or the jealousy or the fact that I don t think like you, it is like this that the extremist think Jason, I beleive that are smarter than this, don t try to lie about me, ypou cannot make this , it is not well and not christian, don t forget, you shall not lie, you shall not kill, and vanities of vanity, all is vanity, so be a real universal Jedi of the Sphere with an universal love tolerant and democrate, I consider me like a christain buddhist modern rational thinking in a gods of Spinoza like einstein , are you against this ?

    You must respect the atheists , it exists very good atheists also more universal and logic than some theists, personally I am a theist thinking in god but differently than you, is it a problem ?, you don t possess the truth about the creator, you are a human equal to all , don t insist and be tolerant

    Steve,

    Try not to be intolerant of other people's freedoms.

    If you have to confiscate other people's guns so that you can can feel "love", then maybe you should talk to someone like a therapist.

    you rebegin your hate now? I am more for the freedom than you Jason and all rational thinkers can see this easily in reading, all persons on facebook tell me that you are crazy and odd and an extremist religious and that I loose my time to speak with you , you cannot change they told me and that you are a kind of creationist foundamentalist extremist patriot persuaded and that you are probably in a group , they tell me to stop to speak with you because you are for them simply limited and illuminated, so I beleive that you have a problem , it is sad, you have a kind of syndrom of elected persuaded that all what you think and extrapolate is true, but no , it is just in your head, you act like a intolerant person simply and I find this very sad, and your vanity and rage take all your mind when we disagree with you, it is not christain, for me you are not a good christian, I am going to pray to help you and I am sincere, don t be taken by the hate Jason, it is the evil and the unconsciousness, meditate and understand god better and all will be ok

    Steve, you need to respect the freedom and choices of other people. You can't claim to be a loving person, and then want to have despotic control over other people's choices.

    You call me a "creationist foundamentalist extremist patriot" but that is an intolerant way of saying that I have a physics theory that suggests that Intelligent Design is the best explanation, AND I believe in personal rights, liberties and freedom.

      Still false, you dislike the differences unfortunally, ypou are not tolerant you critic all the persons thinking differently , even Penrose one of the best on this earth actually, are you conscious of this stupid comportment ??? and you cannot recognise that we evolve and you beleive in the freedom, but you don t respect the global freedom, you are simply like tell my friends for the intelligent design and you beleive that your extremism religious capitalism is the truth it is a fact Jason, the personal rights are under the responsabilities of all, but you you are against this, you want to impose, so you don t understand the freedom, the intelligent design is not this , and you don t respect the real freedom, you are a creationist extremist it seems for us and for only the USA, they are right it seems my friends, you are not a real universalist simply tolerant understanding god and the real freedom, you are against all this , we see easily this in your writings, in fact you have this spiritual euphory like all extremists Jason, you don t believ in liberties and personal rights I beleive, you insist too much on your thoughts without being democrate and tolerant, you are not made for us to have responsabilities unfortunally, your theory, your intelligent design, your freedom and religion for me are limited and not universal , but you are free indeed to be in the false road, it is your choice, but never you shall be relevant at my opinion if you don t change Jason, I tell this for you me , you are nor special you know,I am sorry to tell ths but I tell this for you , like this maybe you could evolve in sorting all your fake incodings in your mind and in being more wise, the hope exists

      But I respect your choices, you have the rights to beleive in the creationism biblical judeo christian and the republican capitalisn , you have the rights to own a gun, it is very christian, you have the right to be against all persons thinking differently than you, it is very tolerant, you have the rights to think that god speaks to you by fields , it is very rational and you have the rights to be so humble in accepting the other points of vue, if you see what I mean Jason, me I am sincere I am tolerant and I respect your chpoices but I am free to tell you what I think also, it is this the freedom of speech,

      lol ahah and you know what is the intelligent desing of this infinite eternal consciousness that we name God , AN UNIVERSAL OPTIMISED SPHERE my friend and beutiful quantum and cosmological 3D spheres turning still and always towards this eternity and unification, you don t like ? me I love this project lol we are jedi marvel of the Sphere , tolerant, democrate, full of love and unified , yep it is wonderful , that irritates a lot the anti universalists I know but it is like this, not need to make the war in the future and to seel the planets and stars , amen

      My ideas are better because I can propose an experiment to prove my idea; string theorists, quantum loop gravity enthusiasts, E8 Lisi fan club members, and spinor proponents don't have an experiment. Furthermore, my idea explains what spacetime is really made of.

      Just because you call me an extremist doesn't mean it's true. Which one of us will support police storm troopers to confiscate guns? You.

      Which one of us will support measures to keep people from speaking their mind? You.

      Which one of us wants to force people to live in a way they don't want to? You.

      Which one of us is intolerant of religious practices? You.

      What you accuse me of,... is what YOU are all about.

      vanity dear brother human but we love you, we pray for your soul , we hope that you shall find the peace, and I am sincere, we hope that God the real one opens your mind and change your beleifs, first of all, be humble and doubt, first lesson, don t beleive that you are special, you are not, don t be angry and don t be taken by the hate, it is not chistian, accept the lesson :) I love you sincerelly , be sure, it is the love, we must love all even the persons having chosen the hate, be the force with you Jedi of the Sphere, I know it is not easy to be contredictes because this vanity is all , but you can do it in deep meditation and deep love , god is with you, don t forget , take care

      now Jason, I delete because it is not appropriate our discussions for this group, we discuss about the same things , we are polite but that has nothing to do in this global collaboration, I prefer concrete discussions and solutions, so don t hesitate to put your ideas, maybe they can be interesting, regards

        Instead of deleting my comments, you should have amazed me with our own great ideas!

        Hi Jason, this group is to discuss about solutions for the UN and you are welcome to write ideas, the most important is to find adapted concrete global solutions where all win, regards

        HUNGER: it is a so important point also, all conscious universalist understands that this problem is not acceptable. We can solve this in acting coreectly in harmonising the NGOs working on this of course and in creating concrete synergies, more an adapted production of all governements helping the distribution. We have near 10 per cent of the global population who are hungry and don t eat well and near 150millions of persons suffering of acute hunger more the lack of water, that implies diseases furthermore due to a lack of natural resistance. Me I want well but it is not acceptable knowing still our potential and still we lack of funds to catalyse these governemnts to rpoduce this food correctly, and that can create correlated jobs still, we return always at this lack of funds and consciousness and responsabilities of the UN and the governements and concrete synergies between the systems . This COVID does not arrange the things and can imply more hungry humans furthermore.

        We know also that the conflicts don t help the problem due to chaotical governances and so problems of intrinsic harmonisations governemental. All is always linked in fact with the governances and the funds and the consciousness. It is evident and simple generally.

        We must also take into account the fact that we shall be soon 10Billions and if we don t solve, the problem will be still more important- The global agricultural production must be revolutionated simply for the well of all and adapted , the funds, the governances, the correlated jobs, the synergies can solve this problem and we can courrish all humans, it is a fact, always this consciousness like the main chief orchestra. It is mainly in africa and asia , they need help, during that we speak , they suffer and wait a help. The goals of the UN are well and they are not the problem, the problem is that it lacks funds and concrete actions, global and adapted. All is always linked simply, the food, the water, the energy, the funds, the jobs, the good governances and the actions concrete with conciousness, it is very simple generally , what are we if we don t act and solve .

        Steve,

        It's hard to solve a problem if you don't know what's wrong.