me I want well but these solutions global exist. What is the problem at wall street ? they fear to loose their advantages or power if we liberate correctly the funds of the world bank and that the UN take its responsabilities in catalysing all the governments and enterprises in industrialising the solar system correctly and in washing the earth , the oceans , the soils and that we restabilise the ecosystems ? we can give water , food, energy, jobs, hope to the majority with this solution? they fear that the capitalisations become too much in the governements like a nationalisation , so a kind of socialism ? what is the problem , the solutions exist .It is this balance between the most important in a global democracy and an universal correlated.

So frankly , all these aims of the UN are a pure joke, they are not really made because we don t take our responsabilities globally, it is simple, and all they follow the system, all we try to find our place and live correctly , but it is totally ironical. I repeat, if they didn t exist these solutions I could understand but they exist.

We are too much divided and in this normality. Many persons or systems are aware of problems and many conferences exist , but nothing really of revolutionary is made. For the climate, they make conferences and this and tha, and for all the problems in fact but nothing of revolutionary at wall srtreet, at this WB and at this UN to catalyse the governments and enterprises.

We speak about the free will and the consciousness but instead to try to explain them , we could utilise them for a better planet.

These leaders, royal famillies, billionairies ....must take their responsabilities and if they fear to loose their power, lets give them so this power if they are universal, they shall win more. If they believe that the competition and liberation of funds with consciousness can destroy their powers , I can understand but it is total non sense because if we don t change, they shall loose too.

It is not an utopy but a necessary and even obliged step of evolution for our planet earth. It lacks universal foundamentals in our global society.

I don t understand to be frank how it is possible that we don t solve these global problems , mainly the jobs, food, water, energy to all and this industrialisation of the solar system. That will permit to solve easier the other problems , that will even decrease the odd psychology because they need to be reasured these humans globally.

The climate, we know that it is irreversible and that the temperature will increase of 2 to 5 degrees celsius for 2100. We cannot change this, it is a fact. So what I find ironical is that all the biggest enteprises , lobbies and societies travel to conferences to decrease their emissions and sponsor the sustainable systems. but it is too late.

The most important is the adaptation and prevention of catastrophes. The most difficult places are going to pay the prize and we must adapta abd find the solution for these places and the lifes around.

We cannot furthermore for the actual global economy stop these combustions , they know it all these societies . So the UN must take its responsabilities and all governments too , it is simple, the problem is very serious. Many ecological global places are going to change and must be adapted.

13 days later

The tools or systems are not really the problem in resume, it is how we utilise them,and this consciousness is the key. With the iron, the metal you can create a tool for gardening or an arm and weapon, all is there .This global economical system at wall street and all the governements are under the money and the capitalism and socialism are utilised at different levels in function of countries. It is really a revolutionary industrialisation wich can save this planet and the solar system is there. the ecology also, the fact to give funds for the governements and enterprises is essential and this industrialisation of the solar system is a main key , all win, if it is not made it is because the royal famillies and the richest fear to loose their power. But they can keep their interests. They must understand that if the chaos arrive in a near future they can loose all too.

all these richest and royal famillies have the potential to pay the best in economy, mba , engineers or others, so they keep their interests in being in the societies. It is like a game to give the power and to have returns on investments. It is like a competition , a game , and the poorest or others have difficulties to success due to fact that them they are alone or have not the possibility to pay the best skillings .If it is like this, so these leaders and royal famillies or billionaires so must be universal and have a responsability for the others. If they don t improve really with a revolutionary solution, so there is an enormous problem. In all countries they exist these richest, and they are all at wall street, so now I ask them to be logic, rational deterministic, and universal simply because they exist these solutions.

you know for me it is not the capitalism wich has destroy the ecosystems or this or that, it is the humans and the lack of consciousness in the governances and at all levels of the society.

We have created a system , economical and all we are under this global system to survive and of course it is not balanced, it is due to the system not harmonised and improved and these human comportments simply, if we want to be better, we must improve the systems and the governances must be more universal at my opinion.

the evil generally for me is dedictaed to disappear in time space evolution and the consciousness is on the road of optimisation. We are not alone of course inside this universe and its more than 10000 billions of galaxies, we evolve and the transformations energy matters show us truths about a kind of infinite eternal consciousness . We cannot define this god, but the best past and actual thinkers consider like einstein a god of spinoza in respecting the determinism of laws in physics. I believe strongly that this consciousness is a tool and that we must utilise it to improve what we can improve, it does noty lack of space and energy, the problem seems the humans and the system not harmonised.

This vanity, this unconsciousnes,the normality,the evil comportments , the bad habits and this sad common past to all imply odd psychologies and that explains why there are so many problem on earth . The leaders and this UN and WB must be aware of universal truths, it is sad to live like this knowing that the solutions exist and all wins....

6 days later

well, let s tell the truths and the vanitious who don t understand it is not my problem. What do you do in the high spheres or power knowing that the solutions exist for a better harmonised planet ? What do you do really at the UN , you have 17 programs , that improves a little bit but nothing of revolutionary is made. The china and usa , you have a responsability and the other countries too they must follow you. We are governed by the money, the politicians, the MBAs, Wall street , the world bank and the roýal famillies and billionaries. And what do you do really of revolutionary ? you make some philanthropies, some ngos and in fact that does not solve the global problems, maybe it is sufficient for your mind and that satisfies your vanity, but it is not sufficient. If you fear to loose your power, I can understand but so keep it and take your responsabilities. We must create a revolutionary industrialisation and the solar system is there , so we must liberate the funds and catalyses the governments, enterprises, societies....If you fear of a nationalisation of capitals I can understand, so create rules and keep this power, but please take your responsabilities, we can give water, food, energy, jobs to majoraity. Wheels in orbit, more mars and this and that, more the washing of the earth more the ecolgy on earth and in space, but what do you do in fact ??? they exist these solutions

well, let s tell the truths and the vanitious who don t understand it is not my problem. What do you do in the high spheres or power knowing that the solutions exist for a better harmonised planet ? What do you do really at the UN , you have 17 programs , that improves a little bit but nothing of revolutionary is made. The china and usa , you have a responsability and the other countries too they must follow you. We are governed by the money, the politicians, the MBAs, Wall street , the world bank and the roýal famillies and billionaries. And what do you do really of revolutionary ? you make some philanthropies, some ngos and in fact that does not solve the global problems, maybe it is sufficient for your mind and that satisfies your vanity, but it is not sufficient. If you fear to loose your power, I can understand but so keep it and take your responsabilities. We must create a revolutionary industrialisation and the solar system is there , so we must liberate the funds and catalyses the governments, enterprises, societies....If you fear of a nationalisation of capitals I can understand, so create rules and keep this power, but please take your responsabilities, we can give water, food, energy, jobs to majoraity. Wheels in orbit, more mars and this and that, more the washing of the earth more the ecolgy on earth and in space, but what do you do in fact ??? they exist these solutions

    Sorry I have posted 2 times, I try to understand how it is possible that nothing of revolutionary for the well of all lifes is made at this UN and by all the leaders. If they didn t exist these solutions I could understand, but they exist, we can improve all the main systems. Is it a problem of normality and acceptation ? is it a problem due to our sad common past and our bad habits is it because we are youngs considering the evolution ? is it due to other political , ideological,philosophical problems ? I don t know but in all case it is sad and totally irrational, we don t lack of space, or energy, or potential. We can reach the points of equilibrium and we can solve these major problems.

    The humans maybe accept like normal or neglect to solve , they believe maybe it is like this or that it will be made tommorrow ??? is it a joke ?

    The most impressing is I repeat that we can solve , of course many are good humans and they act for a better world, we have ngos,or others, or programms of the UN, or philanthropies , but even if in all countries they act , it is not sufficient, for example the ecology and the recycling and garbages, during that some wash , the globality pollute and so the proportions of results are not relevant. We destroy more the ecosystems and we pollute more than we wash and restabilise these ecosystems. So frankly it is ironical and sad.

    And this UN, they are really skilling or is it like everywhere a game of powetr and satisfaction of our own life in telling , good I have successed my life , I am at the UN and I have a good salary lol , it is totally odd me I tell you.

    197 governments, the usa, the china, the europa, the africa, the india, the asia, the south america, the UN, the world bank, wall street. the enyerprises, the ngos, the lobbies, this and that and what is made of really revolutiomary for all lifes on this sphere earth ? nothing, we just accept this normality and we continue in telling , it is like this, but no it is not like this, we can solve, improve, harmonise. All the actual systems can be harmonised simply and the keys are with the funds , the revolutionary industrialisation of the solar system correctly and the harmonisation of this earth and its ecology, more the consciousness acting on all systems, the education, the ecology, the economy, the heath, this and that . All seems a question of consciousness, energy and space and potential. But no we accept , have we a problem in our dna or what ??? Have we encoded odd informations due to this sad common past and this adaptation ? have we forgotten this universalism and the fact that all is connected and that the optimisation is a foundamental like the complemtarity ?

    12 days later

    If we don t change , we shall not solve generally and globally. The main problem is unfortunally this vanity and here on FQXi also , we are all eaten by this vanity, maybe it is just encoded in our dna, probably due to our sad common past and the correlated adaptation. And I fight myself this vanity and ego you know. Now the humans and even the smartest and the most universal thinkers want to be followed and have difficulties to follow like this project global collaboration.

    It is mainly still due to this vanity and the normality. The only one possibilities to convice I believe is to nourrish their vanities to the thinkers, tell them that they are wonderfull and special, give even them sometimes power and money and there indeed they are going to follow, tell them that twe need them to success too that can permit to convice them, but in telling just come to help me , it is not sufficient.

    We have the same problem inside the theoretical sciences community, we are all persuaded lol and we believe all that we understand better the laws of this universe and its philosophy than the others, lol all pesuaded to be special and the central sphere of the universe.

    To be frank, I find this very sad and if we don t change , we cannot reach these points of equilibrium, the psychology and this adaptation from the past really have created an odd global psychology. Can we change , be more in the complementarity , more humble, more unified? yes we can but it is very difficult, we must go inside our minds and see deeper these universal truths.

    I have hope for this project, I have hope that I can unite and that wer can make a difference at this UN. But for this I need help. Forget this vanity and this normality please ....the domino effect or the butterfly effect can be a reality.....

      Hope is very important for us. Without hope we regress to earlier hopes. Hope is the line into a better future.

      Why do we see so much distress around us? Are all you know well? How many do you know that are not well?

      The big question is - can you do something? Does it matter what you think? Or is the situation hopeless? The least you can do is take a talk to those you know that are not so well, find out what they need.

      What do humanity need?

      More money? Well... really?

      More energy? Here I use to do the 'miracle question'. If there would be a limitless supply of energy, what would be the result? Pure catastrophy. So it is not the answer either.

      What are the limits? It is Mother Earth. We already live on the limits, the deserts grow, we cut the rain forest etc. We pollute the oceans.... we simply cut the branch we sit on. WHY???

      We are like children, we want to play games, eat well, sleep well...but we all know this time ends one day when you are 18.

      So why are we grown up children?

      Has anybody showed you an actual way to act with responsibility. Do you KNOW what to do? Can you follow that way?

      The sad truth is that here we split up into a cascade of possibilities. It will not lead forward. We can split up into some threads, it is ok, but not into an endless cacafoni.

      How big is your footstep? You must include ALL what you are and do, all the costs for your garbage, production of energy, gas, bensin... ALL. And can you make it smaller? This is personal, about your own choices. This is not about what others do.

      This is personal.

      The aim of this group is to gather together some possible ways that would NOT end in a catastrophe, but would give us some hope for the future. We all CAN do something. The worst is to sit and do NOTHING.

      I am sure there are people out there that have thought of this, and made some theories. We need to collect those ideas so they gain attention. Nothing else.

      Thanks.

      Ulla.

      Good day all, I am new here and glad to write on here.

      Patience, tolerance both makes good ingredients to positivity and healthy engagement.

      Hi Kayode Alade, welcome on this wonderful platform , don t hesitate to give us your ideas for a better world, I know that you live in africa, the ideas can be in sciences, politics, economy, industrialisation, health, ecology, climate....Regards

      Hi Ulla,

      I agree that hope is essential. I believe that what we need is a globality taking its responsabilities at this UN and for all governments . We need to catalyse the systems. We need so for this mainly revolutionary projects and funds correctly distributed.

      But It seems that I am a problem for some systems , they don t want maybe I reach the aim with this project. Probably due to fact that they fear of a revolution, but this revolution is made with sciences and consciousness and all wins. They can keep their power these richest famillies, royal famillies, billionairies. The world ,these high spheres of power don t listen the people like me, they just accept the normality, they are happy to have a lot o money, they make some projects, they keep their interests, they pay the best MBAs and engineers and invest in the good opportunities to keep this power. They are like us , it exists good and bad humans, they are sometimes smart and universal, sometimes stupid and make unconscious things, they are humans with their qualities and defaults. But a sure thing is that the vanity is everywhere unfortunally.

      I repeat but we have not really evolved about this consciousness, we make exactly the same errors than the romans or egyptians. The humans are too much divided and bad governed, the problem is that now we are very numerous and that the sciences and maths tell us dangerous truths about the chaotical exponentials soon arriving. But they don t listen to us, they continmue they make their lifes, they satisfy their vanity and ego, they sometimes are satisfied even spiritually, they accept simply like all a non logic and universal normality.

      my project is a kind of project non profit, I just try to unite on FQXi , the humans now need to have money to follow or need to be satisfied about this ego, there they follow lol. But my project is first of all disturbing for some systems, not possible for others due to this normality accepted, others are irritated by vanity, others need to be leaders or to have money, so you imagine the problem of humans ? my humble project is to help all lifes of this earth but even this on the best secure platform on earth with the best thinkers it is difficult , we have a kind of problem in our dna I believe due to our sad common past of adaptation,my most difficult challenge is there , convice, unite and solve.

      You know Ulla, the main problem to convice is always the same, they prefer to be the leaders to satisfy this ego the humans, that is why I have difficulties to unite even here . The members are relevant general thinkers, but they prefer to be recogbnised for their works. There is also a kind of normality accepted like I said and many think that it is not possible to change this earth, maybe they want to show a kind of wisdom in telling this but for me it is not a wisdom, it is still this vanity. Give them money, notoriety, cellebrity or others, tell them that they are special and you are going to see, they are going to be numerous to be leaders in this project.

      But I have hope, they exist these real universal altruists general understanding the consciousness, the sciences and that all is linked universally in a project of optimisation.

      We can success I am persuaded, all is there, the best thinkers, solutions adapted concrete, wall street, the MIT, FQXi, the UN, the world bank...all at new york centralised and wich can be put into synergies for the well of all.

      Regards

      4 days later

      The problem of hunger is important. There still we can solve if we take our responsabilities at this UN. The UN could have special funds for this and jobs correlated with a kind of system adapted economically. We have more than 800 millions of persons suffering of the hunger. The calculations made by the experts estimate the cost to solve the hunger at 30 billions to 200 billions each year during 15 years.

      All is always a questions of funds, choices and determinations, more the geopolitics. Why the world bank so with the governments and the UN don t make it ? The problem first of all can be solved but too the jobs correlated are important. I believe that the main problem is the actual limited econonical system and the fear of royal famillies, billonairies, richest enteprises, leaders to loose their power, but they can keep it like I said and they correlate their works with the philanthropies more the help of this UN and WB.

      Maybe it is a question of choice, universalism and the fact to improve the actual global system instead to accept a kind of normality.

      Is it normal to have this global state ? must we accept this step of evolution with this normality? are we really aware of solutions existing ?

      7 days later

      Hi , I have tried to understand the actual global reality and its correlated psychology. Like I told you we have a kind of normality. We cannot really change all, we must accept too natural ways of evolution but we can improve several foundamentals.

      The planet is mainly governed by the MBAs, politicians, royal famillies, Attorneys, judges,billonaires. I must say that it lacks several foundamentals in their education, of course not for all, but the philosophy and the fact to choose by themselves the universal logic philsophy is essential in their educations. And also the fact to continue to study and find answers to better govern. That is why the educational system could be improved about this philosophy and responsability. Many make the exams and after forget more than 80 percent, we know all that we forget a part if we don t continue to study, so the problem is important because it is them who govern this planet and they must be skilling and universal.

      A job, a vacation is a choice and not a game to win money and play or enjoy the pleasure if I can say.If the planet is not still really harmonised with the adapted concrete solutions where all lifes win, it is due to this, the fact that we are divided, in a kind of normality and governed in majority by persons lacking of knowledges in sciences and philosophy. If the leaders at this UN were really skilling, we d have a better globality simply, are they aware of solutions ? I doubt or if yes there is a other very sad problem about the economy.

      @Steve Dufourny

      ""Hi , I have tried to understand the actual global reality and its correlated psychology""

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      information is the code and

      ""The code is what creates the process but is itself the process""

      Bit form bit

      so here is the complete definition of life following Entropic Information Theory

      ""

      structure ordered by information storage as life as the storage of the information

      and the possibility to updated it by a process of self-learning to perpetuate

      that form of information

      ""

      to complete and following this defintion of life

      here is the entropic structure concept presented :

      - non alive entropic structure

      - alive entropic structure

      - thinking entropic structure

      - Knowing entropic structure (conscious one)

      information and consciouness !!!!

      consciouness is information treated by subject,..

      information can exist by itself

      not the consciouness who need subject and object

      consciousness is information treated by subject,..

      it need subject and object

      not the information, because information can exist by itself

      as it is code and code being itself the process

      Now the code perspective,.....

      Yet the human Brain CAN NOT be coded entirely !!!

      because some human brain process can not be computabe as the process of creation or intuition

      those are not computable

      So Consciousness nor the universe can not be coded

      https://www.researchgate.net/post/Life_definition_following_Entropic_Information_Theory

        Olivier, all this is very interesting. We search answers about this consciousness and its computability, we have limitations like for this free will. Penrose, Hameroof, Rovelli and others have well worked, their blogs are here on FQXi.

        I believe that this consciousness is a complex puzzle and that even if we try to mimate the brains more the senses and choices with the actual computing, we are linited, this consciousness is different than this intelligence. A real big unknown is the philosophy too of our universe and its origin, I consider personally a kind of infinite eternal consciousness in 0D beyond this physicality and paradoxally everywhere too considering this 3D universe.

        If the main primoridal energy is this consciousness , that becomes relevant to link the informations with this reasoning. The problem is these limitations philosophical and physical, I consider that this 0D consciousness of this infinity sends and transforms and codes this energy from a central cosmological sphere and so sends the 3 main finite series of Spheres, I have calculated , oddly if we take the number of cosmological spheres approximatelly and that we consider that a photon , a particle of DE or DM have the same number and implies so a superfluidity due to specific volumes, so oddly it is the dirac large number, now if the main codes are in this spaqce vacuum of the DE, that permits to distribute the photons and cold dark matter encoded and so explain the properties of our standard model and its fields and motions and oscillations.

        That is why we have the diversity of our mendeleev table, all seems the same but activated differently in function of main informations of this DE.Now the real big question is why we have this conscviousness , this evolution and this complexity in biology mainly, it implies that we have many parameters still unknowns to add. All is about the informations so indeed.

        Ps like you can see FQXi has been nice in accepting to create this forum global collaboration, the aim is to unite the scientists, thinkers, institutes, medias, celebrities,billonaires, royal famillies...and create a book of concrete global adapted rational solutions where all wins and finally convice the UN in the future. FQXi is at new york and the memebers are the best in physics , wall street too is at new york, the world bank and the UN too, so it is possible in making this project with wisdom.It is a nice quiet revolution for the well of all lifes of this sphere earth. Don t hesitate to write your ideas for a better planet , the ideas can be in economy, energy, ecology, health, education, ......Regards

        ""Olivier, all this is very interesting. We search answers about this consciousness and its computability,""

        as yet mentioned,....

        human brain process compute but not only as the process of creation or intuition can not be computable

        8 days later

        This planet is so divided, in all countries , cultures, religions. Divided by this sad common past of adaptation to all. Divided by the fact to survive , divided due to the social levels and the money.

        The social Spheres are complex. The enterprises , societies are in competition, they are too divided but unite skillings in their own spheres of activity to win more, and all this implies that we are divided and we live in a kind of normality for this adaptation and survival. Me I tell you , this planet is not really universal even if it exists too universal social spheres and good humans.

        The richest work between them, the poorest too in trying to survive, the others follow a system in trying too to survive, they buy a home, a car, the food and go in Holidays to have a little bit of calm and pleasure. The politics the same, all divided . What is this reality frankly , are we stupid at this point us the humans ? are we so in this normality and acceptation of a global system not harmonised and all we think it is logic ?

        The most sad is that the soluitons exist and this vanity does not help also.We go all in the wall of chaos if we don t change, I ask me what do the high spheres of power frankly , are they skilling knowing that these global solutions exist for the well of all lifes of this sphere Earth ?

        11 days later

        Dear Members of FQXi , I know that several are relevant general thinkers and so you are naturally universal altruists and you have probably concrete global solutions. I know that it is not easy to follow a system like mine here on FQXi, you are also occupied with your works, your lifes .....But I need your help to success, it is possible to convice the UN if we are a good relevant team and if we forget all our vanity and life. The solutions in all cases exist withy sciences , consciousness ,logic. We can improve this earth simply in considering the foundamentals .

        We must be simply a good team with good solutions and we utilise the televisions, the medias, the communication to reach the aim. I believe that the normality is too much accepted and also that it is not easy to follow, the humans prefer to be followed, if it is the case , we cannot create this team. Help me please to success, lets do this incredible revolution, it is possible , FQXi the MIT are at new york, the world bank, the UN, wall street too , so we can.

        Regards

          You know dear all,

          let s be logic and rational considering our past, this evolution, the adaptation, the actual global system. We live all on an earth even if we think that we are evolved on a plant having several not harmonised parameters. The UN and the leaders are in a kind of normality I repeat, like if all is logic and that we must accept this speed of evolution. But in fact it is not logic respecting the laws that this universe show us.

          I d say even that the most wise and kind humans aware of these universal truths in sciences and consciousness we have been maybe too nice in the sense that we don t compete because we prefer the cooperation, we try to fight even in us this vanity, this greed, this materialism, this individualism. And during this time, the others have taken the power and a sure fact is that the majority of leaders are not real universal altruists, lets name a cat a cat, if they were real universalists skilling to solve concretelly, the world d be better simply.

          They want to keep their power, they have even created strong systems to keep their interests, they are all at wall street, paying the best scientist, the best businessmen, the best politicians, the best judges and lawyers, attorneys....and they even make philanthropies because it well seen by the humans and their team tell them all the strategies to keep this power.

          They don t listen to us the scientists, they are satisfied like this in this normality. I don t tell of course that they are all bad humans , no I tell that it is a normality and that we are going to pay the prices because we are not governed by the most wise, most universal , most skilling in sciences...humans simply . They want to keep this power like the billonairies, the millonairies, the royal famillies, the politicians.... so they can keep it , but maybe yes we have been too nice us the real universalists prefering the cooperation than this competition, because if we d be governed by real universalists skilling seeing that the energy and the potential and the matters are not a problem, so yes we d live on a better earth and we could help all lifes animal and vegetal better,

          Why are we obliged to accept this knowing that these solutions exist ? I have even seen that the billonairies now are secretaries at this UN like the royal famillies or others and when real universalists arrive they give them a little bit of recognisings and it is sufficient , they probably think , it is ok like this they are happy like this, they are good humans, but in fact nothing change really revolutionary speaking you know.

          I have tried to explain all this to Mr Bloomberg on linkedin and others too . I have even seen Oprah Winfrey intrigued by my project here on FQXi , but in fact the humans now prefer the money than the real truths it seems to me, it is the same for the notoriety, it is the wallet the most important.

          If we don t change generally we go all in the wall in a near future. I don t want to take their money and power to these leaders, I don t want to be a problem for the religions, the cultures, the countries or societies and enterprises, I just want to improve this planet for the well of all, all lifes, and all wins. Is it a hidden camera all this or what ? Are we stupid and vanitious at this point globally speaking, are we so divided and in a sleeping state at this point ??? I don t understand to be frank how it is possible knowing that we can do it with sciences and consciousness.

          I have hope for this project but knowing the humans I ask me how it is possible to unite and convice, they prefer all to be followed now than to follow, they follow the money and the notoriety or power instead of this universalism and rational sciences. Tell to the humans wow you are wonderfull , and take ths money, there they come and follow , or tell them you are the central piece of this project, there they come just to satisfy this said vanity still and always.

          But the hope exists fortunally.

          I insist a lot about this vanity, this greed, this unconsciousness, this normality but really be sure these parameters can imply an add of chaotical exponentials soon .

          14 days later

          Are you all aware that we are on a planet where the money governs all and that the billonaires and royal famillies even are secretaries of the UN, they govern even the governments in paying the attorneys and politicians to keep this power, I don t tell that they are corrupted or all bad humans, I tell that we are not governed by the most wise and universal humans having concrete solutions. Thomas Jefferson said in 1816,the end of democracy and the defeat of the american revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations.......