The Noise of Gravitons

Here is the link of a paper of Pnerose in 1976,

https://sci-hub.se/https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00763433

Roger Penrose in 1976 about the gravitons and the quantum gravitation, we see that we have not evolved a lot and that the majority consider still the same reasoning with the GR like primary essence. All has been tried in this line of reasoning since moe than 70 years, and nothing, that is why we must think differently and mainly maybe about massive gravitons and this cold dark matter permit to solve, this GR must in logic be modified and the quantum gravitation is not with gravitons spin 2 massless, just because the vacuum is made of this DE encoding the photons and the cold dark matter to create the baryonic matter, this reasoning permits to solve many problems , the QG but too the constant cosmological problem , even the hard problem of consciousness could be extrapolated

If I can, I like these thinkers , wilczek like penrose,they are nobel prizes, but we can critic their assumptions, it is not because they are nobel prizes that their assumptions are true. We see a problem inside the theoretical sciences community, the GR and the photons like primary essence have created a kind of prison and it is mainly due to the philosophy correlated, like if god had only created photons and that now with the strings inside them in 1D and the matter energy equivalence of ei nstein, so all they consider the fields like the cause of all,but in fact it is just an assumption even if we observe and measure photons in our standard model. If now we consider for example that we have 3 main systems free cosmologically speaking, the photons, the cold dark matter and the dark energy and that we consider that these systems are made of series of 3D spheres , let s consider even that they have the same number than our cosmological serie , oddly I have calculated it is the dirac large number, now let s consider that the real vacuum and the main informations are in the DE , and let s consider that this DE encodes the photons and the cold dark matter to create this baryonic matter . That permits like I said to consider a massive graviton and that solves this quantum gravitation in respecting furthermore the newtonian mechanics.

That does not change really the QFT because the photons are encoded too and permit this electromagnetism, our error was to consider the EFE alone and these gravitons massless like the quanta of gravitational waves. Thes ephotons are just a fuel for the universe, permitting the electromagnetism, the fact to observe the photons and the reality, they permit too the heat and thermo because they are quanta of E, but why to consider these photons alone and these strings or points in 1D inside them and why to consider 2 E8 for this, one for the QM and one for the GR and why to play with the modes and numbers to explain this baryonic matter, the problem is the interpretation of Eoinstein of this gravitation like a curvature of the spacetime at high velocities,that does not contredict newton, furrthermore the QM must respect newton, and if these gravitons are due to this DM encoded and if they have a mass and if the higgs permit to activate the process, so we can better understand our standard model simply and even with the informations of this DE we can even better understand the evolutiona and the diversity of the mendeleev table,it lacked things to add to our SM, our QM, our actual reasonings don t explain the deep unknowns

Enstein was a genius but he has created a prison and now the thinkers turn in round in forgetting to think beyond this relativistic bridge.I doubt that god and the universehas only created photons and that this God plays at guitar in a simplistic vue, it is even not possible ontologically and philosophically speaking these fields , waves, oscillations,vibratio9ns, strings like cause of our reality, that contredicts even the evolutio n and god and how this god interacts or creates this universe.

I am going to explain why it seems not possible that the waves, the fields , resonances, oscillations , vibrations of photons cannot be the truth about the reality and God, I know that all the thinkers are persuaded to understand better the laws of God and the universe but let s analyse this. The majority so considers this GR and photons like primary essence, and so that god is a kind of infinite conscious heat and that this god so plays with the waves and fields and that we are so a result inside this . But if a god has been able to create a so incredible complkex universe with more than 2000 billions of galaxies and that we evolvesl, so why god has not created a more perfect universe more quickly with resonances, fields, waves , and why god who is omnipotent does not stop a murderer or an accident before it arrives with specific ocillations. So in resume even in disturbing the philosophy of people , it is not possible that God plays with these waves, fields, oscillations, vibrations of photons to create the reality , that has no sense . So yes my model and theory and these spheres and spherisation are a problem for their philosophies mainly because they were persuaded, but thei reasonings contredict a kind of God and how this God creates this universe. The GR , the photons and these fields alone cannot be the truth , they are just emergent properties probably from particles, maybe 3D spheres in a superfluidity and this DE and DM must be superimposed to this SM and GR with or without the approvements of thinkers persuaded to understand god and the physics

Yes, I am still around, just otherwise distracted.

Today it is even more clear to me that graviton noise is what makes things happen and is the source of wavefunction collapse a la CSL, continuous spontaneous localization.

My latest and greatest is that it is actually two entangled photons that make up a graviton. Graviton exchange a la QED is not between bodies but rather graviton exchange is between each body and the rest of the universe. Gravity attraction, then, is simply a manifestation of universal matter collapse, which is the destiny of the universe.

Here is a diagram that shows the all the black holes of the universe provide the bonds that hold the universe together and in an eternal collapse... eternal only in the sense of until the next antiverse cycle.

Graviton noise, then, are the perpetual waves in this gravity universe that continuously collapse the biphoton bonds to black holes that are the backbone to the universe.

Maybe this will work...

...or maybe this...

I can't win for losing... let's try a link... [link:www.discreteaether.com/2022/06/graviton-noise-of-quantum-gravity.html]DiscreteMatter Gravitons]

Hi, how can you be sure that the gravitons are the quanta of gravitational waves and that the photons like the GR are the primary essence of our reality , explain me the proof of this reasoning, and why two entangled so photons for this quantum gravitation, what are the renormalisations proved.

I cannot see your paper, I d like to read it but not possible.

I have put the link of the paper of Pnerose in 1976 , you could be interested to read it, already at this moment in 1976 they considered these gravitons being the quanta of gravitational waves and since more than 50 years all has been tied in this line of reasoning but no renormalisation.

What I tell steve is true, we cannot affirm that thies ephotons and GR like primary essence is the only one truth. We know nothing still even in 100 years of relativity since einstein.

What I find surprising is that all now in majority consider this GR and photons alone like the cause of all , even the cause of our quantum mechanics, I have difficulties to understand this because we have so many limitations and probably deeper paramters to superimpose, the photons are just photons ,they permit this GR that we observe of course, they permit the elecytromagnetism of course, the heat because they are quanta of E, but why to consider them like the primary essence, and why to consider the fields and the oscillations vibrations of these photons with points or strings inside them in 1d to try to explain all. I find this odd in fact.We know so few, we can comnapre our knowledges in physics at this quantum scale like our knowledges about this cosmology, even mars we don t know well , so imagine what we must still know for this QM and cosmology, sometimes I tell me that einstein and witten have created a philosophical prison and now we turn all in round inside this prison. Maybe the problem comes from the philosophy too and thiese religions maybe considering the light like correlated with god, in all case it seems odd knowing our limitations and knowledges. If the universe has created 3D spheres like foundamental objects and that these photons are not the only one truth so the DM and DE permit to solve many things if this vacuum of the DE encodes these phtons and cold dark matter to create this matter baryonic, so why to consider these gravitons like the quanta of gravitational waves, why to consider these photons like primary essence of this universe, why simply to consider these gravitons like if they were photons simply oscillating differently, we couls solve many problems like the constant cosmol problem, the QM in respecting newton with my humble reasoning, so why ....

so give me the proof here now in writing it with the maths and the correct arguments and in the same time, give me the proof that they are the quanta of gravitational waves,and give me too a concrete proof that the photons and the GR alone are the primary essence ,

there is no proof simply that these entangled pairs of photons are the gravitons and that these photons and the fields and this GR are the primary essence of the universe, it is only simple than this , there is no proof too that the gravitons are the quanta of the gravitational waves. There is no proof too that the gravitons must be relativistic and I d say even that they must respect the newtonian mechanics and that we must even consider a deeper logic added to this standard model and even a fith force appears . That implies that the QFT is just emergent and is due to mphotons yes encode3d but that is all , nothing of odd.

the same for what is the dark matter and the dark energy, we have no proof of what they are really, we have just models and ideas, assumptions. We have not solved the QG, the gluons problems, the constant cosmological problem, this and that, in fact it is mainly due to this prison that I explained, we must think beyond the box of this GR and photons alone, I don t understand what is the problem but maybe the thinkers forget to see farer than all this.

You speak about the renormalisation of this QG, you see well that we cannot sort the divergences and these3 infinities if wqe consider the GR and photons, the problem is to consider like I said this pseudo riemanian variety and the GR and the fact to consider that these gravitons are the quanta of these gravitational waves. The problem is philosophical in trying to unify G c and h and in considering the gravitation like a curvature of this spacetime like a deformation of this spacetime due to a energetical sources and so in the case of gravitons like quanta of these gravit waves so more you add gravitons more the curvature appears but it is not possible simply philosophically and in a pure renromalisation point of vue because they interact with themselves infinite;lly and all has been tries. That implies that this QG has nothing to do with our actual QFT and the works of feynman or dirac shall not change the fact this non renormalibility.

It is the same with the singularities for example they don t exist in fact and the confusion is still due to this GR like general primary essence . The same for the planck scale wich is a mathematical extrapolation simply where the laws are broken, so the aim is not to unify G c and h, it is more deep than this , and this DM and DE are there to help.

PS the foundamental problem is so the non renormalisation due to fact all source of E creates so consiedring this GR a gravitational field and so these gravitons interact with themselves at infinitelly and all mathematical tools invencted to solve this even the nmon commutativity cannot solve the problem simply because the general philosophy is false , are you conscious of this.

If you told me that thees biphotons , the gravitons have been renormalised steve D , see this proof mathematical where I have corrected the divergences and where this quantization appears, I could accept, but no , nobody has proved this. And furthermore I repeat , the non sense for me is to consider this GR like I told you with the gravitons like the quanta of gravit waves but also to consider these gravitons massless, it is purelly not possible considering our standard model , and it is really this interpretation of Einstein the problem , einstein if for observationsat high velocoties, he has never told that newton was false.

Well... it seems you are really triggered by my butt-simple quantum gravity. Once again, since biphotons are what a gravity graviton is, renormalization is no longer an issue.

Renormalization is only an issue in space and time, not in matter and action. Gravity affect space and time and so the singularity that is a spacetime graviton goes to infinite energies. A matter-action graviton does not have this problem because in matter action coordinates, the equivalence of energy and matter is implicit.

Space and time do not really exist in matter action, just quantum phase exists, and so there is Lorentz invariance.

The real issue is how to test my bold theory of everything. Fortunately, Science will very soon have the tools needed to measure the collapsing matter-action universe.The Standard Model is already consistent with QED and so quarks and gluons are still okay with matter action.

Photons are not the essence of matter action, aether is the essence of matter action and aether makes up the whole universe. Photons are just a particular manifestation of aether as are quarks and gluons.

Dark matter and dark energy are simply placeholders right now for what Science does not yet know. Since matter action explains galaxy rotation and gravity lensing, I think it will take care of large scale structure and dark energy as well.

Any more questions?

You have not answered nor given the proofs that I asked. I repeat what is the proof that we have only this GR ands photons like primary essence of the universe.What is the proof of your reasoning too.

Ps for the TOE that does not exist due to limitations in knowledges, we name this the humility in front of all the unknowns that we have still to discover.

the matter action is limited too, we don t know really the foundamental objects and all this puzzle .Sorry but it is a fact.

For the aether it has been abandoned due to several problems .....

You know steve A, the problem is there , the lack of humility, because you affirm assumptions like if your model was true for all the assumptions that you have, you affirm too much without proofs even your general universal philosophy you affirm it, it is not like this that the sciences act and that a real searcher speaks .Wwe can have our assumptions, it is not a problem, the problem is when we affirm them like if you explained all with your model, it is not the case, your model is just a model not proved , and for the TOE I repeat a real seracher is humble and don t name a model like this , sorry but it is true

My technical paper is out there and describes this in math... DiscreteAether .

However, you are not very technical and so it is a challenge to explain QED quantum gravity to you in simple terms. I will try...

The CMB photon emissions bond each blackhole into the universe wavefunction with an eternal collapse into black hole event horizons. So the exchange interaction between BH1 and BH2 involves entangled photon pairs, entangled by creation. Therefore, BH1 and BH2 seem to attract each other as the universe collapses into its final blackhole destiny.

The same gravity attraction of course occurs for all bodies, not just blackholes.

Don t ty, first of all I will ^publsish soon and I am more technical than you, for your information I was in maths sciences strong in secondary , 9h of maths and 9H of sciences by weeks and 4 of labs, and after I was at university in geology and I have stopped due to a coma epileptic, I cannot stop to rank the maths and sciences since the age of 19 , I am 47 years old, you believe what that my theory is fallen from the sky, no it is a long long works of reasearchs and rankings and studies, you cannot compete, and you don t imagine what I have studied and read, so the persons like you make me laugh, you cannot nor compete in all humility , nor impress me, I am impressed by penrose or wilczek, not you with your papers where i n faqct you repeat the things already known, the difference my friend between you and me is that me it is innovative my theory and I am going to publish and me I have invencted a mathemtical inno vative tool the spherical geometrical spherical algebras, and so don t try, you are a common thinker, educated a littloe bit that is all wanting to be recognised, but you shall not be recognised and on wickipedia, me maybe I don t know but I don t care, So your small model with your small technical things, frankly not with me, you affirm too much and you beleive too much your are special and and that your model is revolutionary, it is not, just a common idea mixing things known, and no you have not quantified this QG, and not your general philosophy and antiverse and aether are not proved, and not your boiphotons are not proved to be thes egravitons, and furthermore you have mot even a proof of what are the foundame ntal objects, so please maybe make an other passion than the theoretical ^physics because we don t see really innovative interesting things , sorry I am frank,Don t try to compete or don t try to even ive lkessons in maths or physics, you cannot in fact dude simply , you are just for me and it is just my opinion a common educated physicist wanting to be what he is not, like this it is said . And do n t try to give lessons about the maths I repeat ,even the geomtrical algebras, or the padics analysis or the imaginairies or the non commutativity or the QFT and all the known mathematical tools, I know them and better than you , on this be the force with you jedi of the sphere and spherically yours too, to you

ps I have read your ether, just a common idea, I have a friend on facebook , him franck delplace is far more relevant than you even if I don t agree with all, and his spuperfluidity for the spacetime, learn form the persons but don t teach dude