The Noise of Gravitons

I invite all persons interested to learn more about the Hylogenesis, that solves with my reasoning our unknowns, thew Dark matter and the anti matter and the balance gravitation electromagntism can be explained, that implies hidden variables and particles , we need a balance and we can explain it in unifying the main unknowns , my equantion not finsished is correlated with the matter non baryonic encoded but we must add an negative energy for this vacuum dark energy also but I don t know how , E=m(c^2+Xl^2) + Y in fact, The hylogenesis permits also to better understand the creation of this universe with a different deeper logic than this BB, the violations CP is a key also , see that we can consider my main primordial series of coded 3D spheres, one for the DE , one for the photons and one for the DM cold, I ask me if we could take these series having the same number than the dirac large number and where the space disappears due to specific series and volumes and so that implies a superfluid for the universe, we can superimpose 3 E8 and we can play with these 3D spheres and we can explain the evolution spherisation,

Dr. Agnew,

I'll follow your lead on this paper, its approach is from the primordial quantized state rather than diffeomorphism from a primordial continuous field state into a quantized field state. So I'll try to watch and learn.

As I read it, the point is well taken that LIGO is bathed in chaotic gravitational perturbations, and I can accept the notion of that 'noise' resulting in quantum fluctuations precipitating virtual particles that might well be taken as hypothetical 'gravitons'. Thermodynamically, it could equate as mechanical pressure in the material lattice of the physical superstructure of the LIGO detectors, so the mathematical treatment should correlate with the time dependent 'spread & choke' of the LIGO arm length. thanx - jrc

Yes but if the gravitational waves have nothing to do with the quantum gravitation and that they are just photons and different modes , so there is an enormous problem John, why the thinkers want to unify the GR and the QM to find the quantum gravitation ? maybe they consider that we have only photons oscillating for the primordial essence and it is not sure, and that they consider strings or geometodynamics like foundamental objects and it is not sure also , but this paper is a good attempt well generalised about the modes, we must recognise this. LIGO was about the gravitational waves, but why these waves are correlated with the quantum gravitation if we must respect the newtonian mechanics and that this GR is about a curvature of the spacetime photonic ????

I beleive that many forget to think beyond the box in considering a deeper logic, the gravitational waves are effects on the spacetime so on the photons that we observe in this GR, the fact to consider that these photons are the only one piece primoridal of our universe is not sure, the gravitational waves are just an effect at this cosmological scale, and has for me nothing to do with the newtoniam quantum gravitation of bosons encoded wich are probably not electromagnetic, the modes and the noises are not the problem, the problem is to consider that we have not just this photonic spacetime ,

Steve (Dufourny),

The distinction is that photons are travelling at light velocity, whereas a virtual particle, which theoretically exists only momentarily (quantum fluctuation) is either at relative rest or at some subluminal velocity. So in the norms of QM they would be different identities. jrc

Yes I understand, I just tell that they are just photons oscillating differently with different modes due to these waves due to these primordial BHs colliding, but why we consider that they are gravitons implying the gravitational quantum force ? I have difficulties to understand why they consider that it explains the quantum weakest force, the fact that they are photons oscillating differently don t affirm that they explain the quantum gravitation , the quantum gravitation is due to particles encoded in nuclei and they are bosons but why photons oscillating differently and not particles encoded not baryonic ??? this GR and the photons have created a real prison and we turn in round in trying to play with the fields and modes, but that does not explain nor the unknowns and that does not quantify this quantum gravitation.

the problem is mainly philosophical at my humble opinion, the thinkers have considered an infinite heat before this hypothetical BB and after they have found the photons like quantum of E and after we have detailed the bosons and the standard model, after we have found with Einstein the GR and SR and now hop we comclude that we have only these photons oscillating and after they have created the strings in 1D at this planck scales and after they utilise the geonetrical algebras and try to change the mode to explain this quantum weakest force, but why can we affirm that the photons are the only one piece of puzzle abd that this GR is the onmly one spacetime, we are youngs and we have 100 years of relativity, but we know nothing still, the photons are just photons , particles permitting the heat, the electromagntism and the fact to observe, they are just a tool for this universe, but why they are cvonsidered like the primordial essence and origin of this Universe, it is nor proved, nor sure and even I d say it seems reductor to affirm this,

John, this paper that I liked because I find Wilczek very relevant is about the gravitational waves, but not about the gravitons, for me and it is just my opinion , it is interesting for the modes of photons showing the gravitational waves, but I don t understand why they try all to unify this GR and the QM to find the quantum gravitation, of course we have probably particles of gravitation encoded in our standard model but why photonic particles ??? the real problem is there for me, because I find odd to consider only like I told the photons like the only one piece of puzzle. If they cannot renormalise and quantify it with this GR and the photons, there are reasons, all they have tried and they continue to try in this reasoning and that does not give the answer, I must formlise my model but I have reached it in simply respecting the newtonian mechanics and in encoding these particles of Cold dark matter and that explains also this anti matter, in fact the standard model and the electromagntism is just emergent but we have a deeper logic gravitational ölike if it was the main chief orchestra, the photons are just a fuel permitting this life death, the heat, the electronagntism, the light and the fact to observe, but they are not the primordial essence, see the relevance of the Hylogenesis and the vacuum for this Dark energy, see the 3 main systems, the space vacuum DE , the cold dark matter and the photons, see if they merge what they give if the codes are in this DE....

Steve,

I realize that FQXi invites open participation in the forum, but that is precisely why I will follow Dr. Steven Agnew's lead on discussion of this paper. He has the distinguished career in Quantum Mechanical theoretics and engineering prior to pursuing his own line of theorizing in retirement, so it is he whom best understands the paradigm underlying the arguments presented by the authors, and it is that which I would like to know more about. In every thread in any topic, I can read what others want to think about what professional people have done, and darned little about what those professionals actually present. jrc

It is not about to be professional or not you know John, but about the fact to be able to unify the generalityy and explain our unknowns, Mr Agnew speaks about an anti verse, it is an assumption, Mr Wilczek speaks about the gravitons unifying the GR and the QM, and it is not proved, in fact , the real secret humbley is to study all days and many professionals are very relevamt and many others are not, the same for the amators, nothing never falls down from thje sky, I study all days and I cannot stop to study the maths and others, what I tell is simple, we cannot affirm that the photons are the primordial essence and that the gravitons are photons oscillating and that we can link with the gravitational waves, a few number are able to be innovative John and the fact to be professional is not a reason to agree with all, when it is proved, I accept, when it is assumption , I doubt and all waht we have actually are assumptions , and the vanity of people will not change this truth, onmly the proved laws, axioms and equations are accepted, and this paper is relevant but is not proved simply, they have nor explained the gravitons nor proved them, they just make a partition and modes to try toi unfify, it is a good attemps, that is all, and Mr agnew can rell all what he wants, that will not change this reality, like his antiverse, it is an assumption, like these gravitons photonic also, I respect the different thinkers but we must be logic, we must doubt and try to explain the unknowns, and this prison of GR and photons is a reality John and not need to create a poems with beautiful words to show our education to understand what I tell, so let s wait Dr Agnew to see what he has of interesting to tell us about these gravitons and this paper and the noises, I have discussed with many philodioctorates and I am invited to many conferences and they are from all countries , and I am not a professional but I know many things john, don t never be surpised by a person being professional, be impressed by the capacity to imagine new general things respecting the foundamentals, me I don t affirm my assumptions John, I doubt and I try to åprove them, I am a problem inside the sciences community but fortunally it exists real generalists humble also in this very vanitious community if you see what I tell ...

what I like is to discuss with relevant professional or genius able to imagine and able to doubt accepting the proofs. I like also to have persons educated teaching me things that I don t know and at this moment I shut up , like with a friend the dr Steven duplij and his symplectomrphisms, there wiuth him I learn, but don t wait from me to accept assumptions not proved. It is rare to have these persons, they are unfortunally not on net the most of the time, they are isolated , I d like to have Penrose or Hooft personnally to learn more, them they are relevant , I d like to share my assumptions and discuss, but frankly the majority on internet wants just to satisfy their vanity due probably to a frustration or others, we learn rarely on facebook or here even, we just discuss in trying to impress, but it is the life, I have that said learn a lot here on FQXi due to articles, but the discussions are rarely relevant, it is rare to have discussions where we can go deeper in our works because the persons are too much focused to their ego and themselves and I make the same , so the critic is for me also,

In fact it is sad that Penrose, Hooft or Susskind or others that I like are not here on FQXi, they could teach us things interesting and we could share good extrapolations, but unfortunally they are not here, so we just discuss between us, I am persuaded that Penrose could like my theory of spherisation and some of my assumptions and ideas, but he is aged and occupied unfortunally, I search my mentor and I have still things to learn, with persons like him I will shut up and learn and I am persuaded that I could discuss with calm with him about my theory , the spheres and the assumptions, he could evenhelp in the formalisation of some ideas, I dream to have a mentor like him, him he is a relevant professional general and skilling, it is very rare, he is able to extrapolate new partition, it is very rare

all this to tell john that the most important is to study all days and try to find answers to this universal puzzle and the sciences are the best way, why we exist, why we are, what are we, what is the biology, physics, chemistry, I have ranked and studied so much you know , I read and study all days the best papers on arxiv, and I create my own partitions and tools to formalise my theory, I know that I rritate with my spheres and my theory, and like told me my friend Ray Munroe here on FQXi, the dr cosmic ray I named him, steve you are going to have persons loving your theory and others vanitious and disgusted and others against by vanity, it is the life John, but I am conscious in all hu,mility that I found an universal link innovative with or without the approvements of persons against , they can tell all what they want, my humble theory is not stupid and is not fallen from the sky, I rank all since the age of 17 and I am a scientist respecting the rationalsim and who don t affirm his assumptions, I am unfortunally obliged to speak like that , In india and on facbook I have many PHd in physics loving my theory and agreeing, why ? it is not odd, even Neil de grasse tyson has endorsed me on linkedin before the hacking and the persons against me, I continue simply to imrpove it in trying to learn more each days, and if it is a problem for persons, it is not my problem, it is their problem John, not mine,

You are interested to learn very relevant things John ? here is a list of persons to learn on arxiv and be sure they are the best and are very relevant , Penrose, Connes, Duplij, Atiyah, Wiclzek I agree also, Hooft, I learn their papers and I can affirm you that you are going to learn relevant things , connes for example is the specialist for the non commutativity , and I am impressed by Duplij also for his ability to play , learn their works and you shall see that I am right , there tou shall learn really relevant works, be sure ,

look at this one for Connes Alain about the Hamiltonian and the symplectic isomorphisms, see also how he utilises the riemann zeta fucntion for the maps and see his analyse with the operator theoretic problem and the conjectures and see his analysis and geometry, this guy is a genius

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1910.14368.pdf

you see now why I like several professionals relevant ? them they are relevant and I utilise their tools and methods for my theory and the conjectures with the spectrum and the oscillations, several good works exist also for the strings , it is this that I try to conjecture , the 3D coded spheres instead of strings. It is not easy but I evolve with the good mathematical extrapolations and partitions, connes has helped me a lot to understand better the maths and the most important, how to create new partitions, because knowing the maths is one thing but createing new tools and partitions and try to play with all is an other John, Wilczek is able to make this in physics but like all has assumptions and all assumptions are assumptions when they are not proved, if it was proved it is the nobel for the gravitons or a field medal and it is not the case, we must prove alsways, it is the only one solution to accept a work. I insist on the fact to learn the works of Connes, he is incredible in maths and physics, the best probably with Caterina Consani, they have permitted me to understand better all these mathematical tools, it is not easy to learn them, but with the time you understand them and after you can link and create your own partitions in trying to converge or conjecture

all this to tell that with these persons, we listen , we learn and we try to understand, they are rational and permit us to evolve , they are not fake ones them , it is sure, they are relevant and are able to doubt also, they don t affirm assumptions because their consciousness and intelligence recognise that we can just accept the proved laws and works, the rest is vain. Hope you understand what I tell John, and hope you shall like these papers of these wonmderful thinkers.

So , well , let s return about the post of Steve Agnew and this ocean of noise for the gravity in the GR , the ocean of gravity like he tells is a gravitation of the GR , with photons and different modes and that does not explain I repeat the quantum gravitation , it is just a noise of a gravitation of our GR due to waves that LIGO has found with interferometry, the collapsing of the waves function is maybe important to analyse with the decoherences and the scalars for a reduction but that does not show a particle of gravitation, the force of gravity must respect the newtonian mechanics and I repeat this GR is not the key, now if we take the ricci flow even and the deformations with these waves fucntions collapsing , that does not change the problem even, see the relevance of the center of mass and the rotation and the deplacement but it is an other story, hope I am clear , the collapsing waves function is just for the interferometry and photons and don t reach a quantum gravitation simply

so it is not the noise of gravitons, but the noise of gravitational waves and they are numerous due to different noises because we have many objects interacting , so lets be serious, they are not gravitons but photons oscillating in this GR, so we can rank these gravitational waves in timee furthermore due to all these objects interacting and furthermore that proves they are not gravitons because they oscillate all differently ..... think about this , they cannot have different size and different oscillations and modes, logic in fact simply, we cannoty confound so the gravitational waves with the gravitons .....simple and evident what I have just explained now