Does Objective Reality Exist? Great Mysteries of Physics Part 4 -- FQxI Podcast

Georgina Woodward

Alaya Kouki
Some basic assumptions about objective realty do need to be relinquished, such as 3d space and a physical dimension of time. 3d space is the observation or measurement product space , not where the object (not as identified by any one singular relative perspective), exists. There is foundational passage of time because the pattern of all that is existing -Now changes to a new pattern. Rate of change within the pattern varies. Some change happens very quickly and some slowly, some intermediate. So there is no one relevant speed of time. Regular Time intervals such as light years, eons, years, hours, minutes, seconds, milliseconds and smaller, are useful for characterizing different scales of change. The time dimension of space time observation products is due to the non instantaneous transmission of sensory stimuli used to generate observations, that is incorporated into the products. That time dimension is not a part of observer or measurement independent existence.

Alaya Kouki

Georgina Woodward
I think we should include energy as a fifth dimension for corpuscles. The manner is to define a 4-vector swap dualities or a 4-vector identity. a corpuscle has an identity in time and an identity in space. We have the following relationship:
4-vector swap dualities= universal constant times 4-vector momentum.

Erubisu

Zeeya Merali

I come from a neuroscience and evolutionary psychology background so my focus is that the reality we experience is necessarily mediated by the way information is interpreted by our senses and processed by a brain with limits on its speed and capacity of processing, problem solving architecture etc. It is a truism therefore that no two species will experience reality in the same way. A fly operates in an environment where it can move very fast so presumably we will appear to move relatively slowly to it, in fact it is possible to touch a fly if you move your finger slowly towards it as it won’t detect such a ‘slow’ movement. I don’t hold with the idea that reality is entirely illusionary, but I believe we need to ask to what extent is the reality we as scientists believe to be objective and quantifiable is actually so? Perhaps the time frame within which we have evolved means that we are unable to experience quantum phenomena without the need for detection devices. Likewise, our senses of scale is likely to be tuned to the environment in which we have evolved. Perhaps the difficulties science has in explaining counterintuitive quantum phenomena is because we have reached the limits of brain processing. Perhaps science is due for a paradigm shift where it not only examines phenomena at the quantum scale but also tests the limits of our human capacity to experience these phenomena at the scale of the very fast and very small.
Here’s a thought, what if at the quantum scale all of time happened at the same time, and all of space was in the same space? This would neatly explain quantum phenomena like entanglement and superposition. (NB. The limitations of Plank Time and Plank Space would mean that the word ‘all’ in the statement above would need to be ‘nearly all’).
A key issue for me is how human intent (or any consciousness organisms intent) converts data into information. I think there is much to be gained by conceiving of consciousness as results an evolved function to seek for predictable outcomes in the environment. Consciousness means we automatically interpret and seek to ‘summarise’ data in a way that is useful to us. This process may also inhibit our understanding of what is going on at the quantum scale as it species specific and should be taken into account when examining quantum effects.

Robert McEachern

Erubisu

For an "Objective Reality" interpretation, that combines quantum physics, the nature of intelligence, Evolutionary Theory and Shannon's Information Theory, you might find these links to some of my past comments to be of interest:

1) The big picture.
2) The Mechanism underlying the Objective vs. Subjective Experience Dividing-Line.

Georgina Woodward

Reality in the context of Relativity and quantum physics_
[]http://viXra.org/abs/2308.0093
Thoughts?

cristi marcovici

Hydrodynamic
analog of entanglement has not been seen probably because entanglement it is illusory not a physical
reality.

if reality is like a computer it might be possible for 🎨 something 🎨 to appear and disappear suddenly at large and very large distances

🎨 : by something maybe not atoms ,
.... things that happens to atoms
with common- ( same origin threads, remote distance, known,unknown) rules

like a cluster/ rainfall /aggregates of synchronicity : 🎨

living in an really isola 🇹 🇪 🇩 patch of the universe does not sound good

how the dust on a glass like with spikes of metals moon around a rocky planet with all the atmosphere on a single patch in a dwarf solar system in a galaxy on the right left of the ursa major constellation eyesight line might influence , if the socks i wear tomorrow are iridescent and water resistant , might matter only if such an idea is being recorded and read by other conscious agents , or just having the thought it might be enough. i don't have that many to begin with.

this phenomena of entanglement i saw it increasingly often it is applying only to a few atoms or could there be like a library full of books in an entangled state ? not could because means making some cats experiments rooms arangements, i mean in a ordinary state , comparing a rock with a tissue with cells, who is more entangled ?

many and more , how can i change those words?
numbers/magnitudes have/are a root that could be speciated/ graphiated that means bringing more details and properties in their meaning or what other physico lingustical figure of speech things can be done ?

is the number of speech of figures finite ?

cristi marcovici

let me report a (retro causal synchronicity ) atracttor

, today i decided to search in the georgiana woodward's essay the word ted- the number 44 appear as result i have nothing to do with this number except that it was the car inmatriculation number of an ex colleague with accademic parents backbground , and i have a youtube video in witch i appear and this number is present there in the conversation ,
why i decided to make to yesterday this isolated comment and how this number pops up as if i'm part of a community or an other that completely is unexplainable to me

lets say there are a couple of categories, clases, bins, bags, containers (things that delimitate separate) and words can be placed in one way or the other; chosing any word it can be given some kind of a conceptual distance/ measure of remoteness and can be atracted to that specific delimitation /bag ,container, category ,class,

the above example has a very close measure , it is to perfect to be a just a coincidence

the sensation is like trying to write something and no matter what you do the words have a different meaning
or having a remote that doesnt follow comands
it is the freewill an illusion ?

i tend towards no and the strategy i have adopted a while ago is when some situation attract in to certain points (rivers affluence) current of opinions , to fight back and express the difference, this is how you manifest the freewill

life in itself is a fight back against a background of inert matter , the fighting- lets say expression of choices happens at multiple levels from molecules to higher order cognitive functions
for a choice like should this attom go right lef up down, the anticipation is minimal
for a choice like should this pancres produce more digestive enzimes the anticipation is in terms of hours/ days

so there might be some back time communication that would help life thrive have fewer better choices at various levels and timespans

changing the subject while in the start of (9-th grade) highschooler i had my right arm broken and i had to learn to do everything whit the left hand

except for writing that was to hard to get at the fast speed of my colleagues i watched the others how they write to take notes me doing nothing, for two weeks i got to ponder if writing is really necessarily , if people can just look in books and computer based encyclopedias/games if they have such things .

why bother taking notes? the hand movement association with concepts is crucial to establish some thoughts/ learning rhythms, what if there are other such 🎨 symbolic activities 🎨 that can foster memories play around concepts
not just moving some ink form the pencil on the surface of plantbasedfiber highfriction liquid absorbant paper.

imagine a type of brainmemory writing that use the experience of moving and placing some kind of little shapes on a abacus like structure and some get to move harder other easier, various texture and materials (something similar is being done for arithmetic), but what if there could be an entire writing system that uses it. if molten lead was used to create entire printing pages letter by letter ,why not other materials and ensemble that can be carried by each individual person .for inter-persons communication purpose

this is a technological societal blind spot /goal, where there is no interest in converging for practical historical reasons.
now that basic needs can be easily ensured, i believe there is room for communication/sociological experimentation

and to return to the first part of the comment why such synchronicity happens to me at this very moment (here moment could mean seconds or years, in this period of life)
it might be because i think long term about society potential goals , and i get to chose potential futures that have various attractors /group interests.

so a proposal to make experimentation with synchronicities /retro-causal whatever. how to do it such that any person can have experience those in a controlled manner . ..

an idea that comes to mind is when a polynomial has multiple identical solutions that cannot be distinguished.

i get to think about long term future but lets say everybody does the same , than there is an overlap not everybody an have an impact on the same issue , so in order for someone to experience synchronicities should chose wisely such that there is no overlap with someone else,///or there should be some kind of long term societal convention /agreement/ practice about the way goals are being realized such that each individual could experience synchronicity in an organized predictable experimental manner.

Georgina Woodward

cristi marcovici
Co-occurrence of things is ordinary and mostly insignificant Searching for meaning or significance in the meaningless, connection in the unconnected can be a symptom of serious illness,. Please take care and seek help if you need it to get well. With best wishes.

cristi marcovici

i have two answers for your reply firstly,

a psychologist, uses words in a language by voice sounds- in his therapy / consulting
i don't like that i have been to a course at university and scoped the field , the admission i bet in all coountrys uses
tests/ puzzles around - who knows what this and that word means, some fancy pronunciations for concepts
like playing crosswords puzzles around letters .

if you / someone can recommend me a competent person that try to do its activity avoiding the sound voice/letters writting medium . i' m quite interested to meet that person.

secondly
i don,t answer /completely reveal , how i think on a semi-public forum.

regarding alignment of events i have a high dose of skepticism myself.
that s why i look for evidences.
to
reformulate historically physics and mathematics have played a role in simplifying now we enter a phase where there are not any more simple things to be simplify .

some things are large and spread (at least in the abstract world for sure)
it is reasonable to try to study random and hazard by novel methods

science is based on replicable , if consciousness play a role in that?
it may be it may be not .wissenschaft ,
simplifing
what is meaning , a state of the brain, after it has identified some matching patterns ,
the process of identifications enters a large timespan from seconds to years

meaning comes potentially after reevaluating a meaningless memory in the light of new data/experience
or it could be something innate

so there are multiple bins/ for meaningless some might me more meaningless than others,

there is an essay explaining abductive reasoning, i have the nicknamed author handwritten on a notebook

in todays world everybody has multiple levels of being more than reasonable

minds of people can get complicated and hard to self explain by simple communications
communication is the subject of shared experience language culture
understanding the why a certain idea or the reasons ,could take years of experience or minutes of carefully good learned skills
there are lots of possibilities

my aims tends towards encouraging a more deaf society , inventing visual languages ,
understanding quantum mechanics , this is inherently (or maybe not) probabilistic

the same idea that i said with psychology apply here

what else to say ?
there is a novel by isaac asimov - the end of eternity,
in that novel there are spatiotempral agents that can readjust history up to a area/place in time- named the forbidden years.

i just saw you have 2000 comments i think i should read more
this reminded me of the question of. how people meet each other ?

a comment on a forum might tell more about a person than a face to face conversation and viceversa
a person might present itself differently in each environment or with different people

in the novel the main characters find the right oposite misterious character agent coming from the forbiden years
reading that novel i thought is not applicable .
how to describe myself
i the moment i don't have a science fiction i could say that definitely i like it to be a source of inspiration

there is a connection between science fiction and what science is being worked on by the generations that comes after.

you miss major points with bad sci fi - this is also connected with language promoted by it ,
i could write a ton at the moment i don't care about the presentation
no effect
only by my own personal example ( i wait for the appropriate resources to start doing something , if anyone is interested )

if you work on building agi you miss the point of natural intelligence of society

writing is a form of lonely longly accumulation of thoughts discharged in letters based words

imagine a society where there is always communication no need to buffer thoughts
communication happens always and at the moment of the idea creation exactly aligned with the intended reaction)
the idea is not stored anywhere/ just change

( i mean this is the modern view tendance, the working class hero always busy, even the intelectual one)

Georgina Woodward

cristi marcovici
I take your point about use of voice sounds language in therapy. It should not necessarily be so. I haven't looked into specific more appropriate communication for individuals preferring another medium of communication. It is food for thought. The purpose of examining word use is to assess functioning of the brain. Picking up the symptom of loose association is one such purpose.
You are right that some seemingly meaningless things may take on new significance with time as more information is obtained. However to function in the world, being human, we must decide and select what to pay attention to /regard as significant or meaningful for us or be paralyzed by information overload and the impossibility of processing it all.

cristi marcovici

https:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVTJVZU2bXs

check out how well aligned is the animation with the voice over- narrator
clearly But Why? is doing its own animations/ special effects. first minute and 10 seconds for example

i dont want to do the same with my own native language
more valuable as experience it would if i do something new,
either in a new language like german or no language at all
deaf sign interaction

i may start a new field in neuro/psychology/communication research

what a person can do is not placed in the same bucket with language ,
nor language in the bucket of other skills and behaviors , even the brain is roughly the same ,

imagine an extraterestrial species that has multiple separate brain parts and one of those is specialized strictly only for communication,
---- can you imagine what sort of environment or extraterestrial identifying traits it might have ?
|
| the brainstem in humans collect signals from ears and send them equal simetrically balanced in left and right
| hemispheres at the same time. the synchronization times is used to establish where the sounds is
|
*lets see ... that brain part could evolutionary originate in a need to process complicated sound and react quickly and has a kind of library of sounds that can comes from a noisy environment with dangerous sources of emiting sounds.
tipically a planet must be silence for energetic equlibrium, there are no sources of strong sounds in our environment, maybe volcano , lightning this is potentialy possibly the entire list, if there is an other medium with a lot more rich diverese complex sources of dangerously noises * than , the out of earth species might develop a special brain modules that identify and reply back those sounds \within their own grammar (the grammar of the complicated sound source environment) , besides doing other activities | than necessitate their own specialized mind ability

maybe there is a solar system that just started to develop ,

here the editor of text has a kind of feature, while editing the
symbols :🎨* \ | 🎨 i see then aligned one under the other , i wanted to draw a line from the word noises and place a box underneath with the extra details adnotation. and after posting it here i see the lines don't match up alignment

like above where there are four horizontal lines before the start of the question, [can you imagine ...]
and i rotate them 90 degree, like the question mark symbols sinuos line is bending . rotating clockwise , and the * before let see is like the questionmark dot

imagine an alien language that has other punctuation signs. (this question is equivalent with other i've already said , just using different words :Pin an invention of an intermedate communication device there could be a special interacting interface where those are easily accesible.

an other potential development is: lets say humans in year 2500 will have a special brain module about how objects can be handled and recycled

already mentioned in a previous posts in various other ways, now a clearer reformulations the way e text is handled typed is also a kind of own language, just showing the end result , is cutting valuable communication information .

other idea do you want people to visit websites 24 hours-7 seven days a week 4 weeks a month 12months a year 2023- 2005 =18 years in my case?

you know in nature there are various number of seasons( between 1 and 4 maybe more in some places ), winter , atuum, spring, summer, the a store in real life have an operating schedule , the server might have optimised energey algorithms people have brains, the always available on demand create overuse.

the log data of server traffic is an other type of valuable communication information abstracted socially. (having the millions years evolution monkey brain standard )

we potentially know what is better for you and do nothing ,that's like the knowledge bliss/ curse

wires sans action,
a no i can download and 3d print a chair, or the business plan for a firm with 2000 employ
there are simply just to many options , and some this are being reduced by others , noo, we want freedom

the purpose of a new language (if possible?)would be to handle more options , and make fewer decisions,within certain patterns domain. environments

does a tree abstract information or it doesnt have acces to it , plants are the proof of environmental stability , what sort of environment change would help plants become conscious and become like animals?

Georgina Woodward

Not only does it he way in which 'light' travels mean there is no addition or subtraction or source object or receiver speed, *also there can be no observer relative perspective as the 'light' itself traveling through the environment is not seen . only observation products post receipt are seen.

*Only being 'light' when it is both wave disturbance and carried initiating particle

Georgina Woodward

Georgina Woodward
The objective existence and happening of unseen 'light' as opposed to observation product called light, which is observer generated, points tot he flaw in the light clock argument and SR in general, relying on "what is sensorily given" to use Einstein's phrase.

cristi marcovici

💡

light pollution is also a thing

the year 4000 with plants adapted to public illumination and traffic noise

Georgina Woodward

Georgina Woodward
I meant to write 'point to'.
I think it would be more helpful to have a different name for 'light' . the observer independent happening that is. 'light' is too similar to light the seen phenomena. Maybe it should be pre-light. it is not just electromagnetic radiation alone. it is not photon particle alone. A commination that demonstrates wave behaviour and indivisible particle behaviour. Detectable as a particle by it's effect on chemical photoreceptors. Detectable within the environment by wave interference affecting the location of the photo-detectable particle. The complete ensemble only exists when in the environment . See why the speed of light is not changed by speed of source or recipient. The divisibility of waves but not particle allows quantum behaviour at double slits and beam splitters to be understood, without need for abstract superposition.
http://viXra.org/abs/2308.0093[](https://)

cristi marcovici

the tree are the source of light and the noise comes from biowaste dropped on special nearby reservoirs drums , by the vehicles on silent tracks

The objective existence and happening of unseen 'light' as opposed to observation product called light, which is observer generated, points tot he flaw in the light clock argument and SR in general, relying on "what is sensorily given" to use Einstein's phrase.

The objective existence and happening of unseen 'light' as opposed to observation product called light, which is observer generated, points to the flaw in the light clock argument and SR in general, relying on "what is sensorily given" to use Einstein's phrase.

in plato's cave story, senses map what input is given , i saw a meme with a burning match having a shadow under the light of a lantern, both lights had , apparently , separated coexistence

the boundary between reception and perception might be of the same sort

Georgina Woodward

cristi marcovici
Sound waves from the distant machinery takes longer to arrive at the observer, than light reflected from the tree There is in that way a time dimension involved in awareness/
The observer independent external existence is not completely separate from the observer generated awareness leading to perception. There are sensory stimuli inputs that travers the environment between.

Georgina Woodward

Georgina Woodward This is a post about how best to communicate important ideas without ambiguity.

marcovici alexandru

I think it would be more helpful to have a different name for 'light' .

an extreme would be to have a new name for each instance of light

in a way this happen anyway because the rest of the words of the sentence containing the word light
could be considered a coordinate system,

🔒️Ithinkitwouldbemorehelpfultohaveadifferentnamefor 🔒️ ( 'light' )

i just noticed first time, a thing of the English language , that by adding the letter F to the word , the new word has something to do with birds, why is that only now.( this conversation) ?
because i never used the word to type it on keyboards. in other conversations, i could verify maybe i did but not paying attention to how is written.
function of light
f (light)
flight

the English light travel like a bird zwischen locations A and B
i used/typed source of light above

yes ! there is an other meaning akin to easy to hold/ carry for the same word
this proves that i haven t used English language to learn physics/ optics.

verifying the email i have used it in an email in 2021 , not alone the word
light bulb ,is taken like an entire thing in the memory ,
this is an idea for education i had before last year
people learn words at school that are composed as such out of many particles words
and by using them with time they obtain new meanings
so to resume/ conclude (maybe repeat)
|(designing education with) a gradual reveal of meaning by the way words are structured and learned and used over |time.
|what does this mean ?
are there alternatives ?

Georgina Woodward

Georgina Woodward
To be clear we need to differentiate the seen light phenomena and unseen physics happening prior to involvement of human senses or cameras, leading to the phenomenon of light. Seen light can be a beam of light having an intensity, maybe a direction or general illumination of an area, having a color or ambient ‘warmth’ depending on mix of frequencies. Seen light is light. The unseen physics happening prior to involvement of human senses or cameras, leading to the phenomenon of light is best not also called ‘light’, as that is ambiguous.
Pre-light binary, seems appropriate an even better, more informative (occurring before the phenomenon of light and a combination of two parts)
It is not just electromagnetic radiation alone. it is not photon particle alone. A combination that demonstrates wave behaviour and indivisible particle behaviour. Detectable as a particle by it's effect on chemical photo receptors. Detectable within the environment by wave interference affecting the location of the photo-detectable particle. The complete ensemble only exists when in the environment. The divisibility of waves but not particle allows quantum behaviour at double slits and beam splitters to be understood, without need for abstract superposition. It is modeled by macroscopic hydrodynamic bouncing droplet on oil bath models.**

Georgina Woodward

Georgina Woodward
Does this mean Bohemian mechanics is correct? Not if the wave component is conflated with mathematical wave function, which is both the outcome to be obtained and outcome/s not obtained at that future time rather than a ‘material’ happening. Whether the base environment vacuum deserves to be called material is debatable. It is not necessarily like particulate matter we know. It may be perfectly springy. Matter can loose energy to the environment but the environment has nothing to ‘loose’ energy to but perhaps acts like a vibrating oil bath, animating the ‘walking’ droplet.

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