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Steve Dufourny
Steve,
I think that one cannot prove anything much when it comes to the foundations of the world because these are essentially “givens”. Relationships and categories and numbers at the foundations of the world can’t be explained, they are just “givens”. Similarly, a knowledge aspect of the world is a logical necessity, but it can’t be proved.

E.g. one cannot say that “1 – 1 = 0”, and say that therefore the world arose out of nothing, because the sudden appearance of an equation is the actual problem that can’t be explained. The appearance of relationships, that we represent as equations, can’t be explained.

Also, there is the problem that we need to use man-made symbols to represent the world, where man-made symbols of the world are not the same as the real world they are meant to represent.

      Ulla Mattfolk
      Hi Ulla,

      I wouldn’t describe a foundational knowledge aspect of the world as “quantum consciousness”, because “quantum consciousness” is just a label which does not clarify anything.

        Lorraine Ford Hi Lorraine, could you please tell me more about the philosophy of all this reasoning, can you tell me for example what is for you the origin of the universe and from what ,why these foundations cannot be explained and what are they , how they are given and by what and how , regards

            Steve Dufourny
            Hi Steve,

            One can’t say much about the foundations of the world. The only thing that I would say is that the world must be assumed to be self-contained, i.e. there is nothing outside the world doing things to the world, interfering in the world, or creating the world. The world is fully self-contained. How it got to the point of having relationships, categories and numbers, (and, I would contend, a knowledge aspect), I don’t know, but obviously there is necessarily a creative aspect as well as a knowledge aspect.

                Steve Dufourny
                How would YOU explain the difficult question of the existence of equations/ relationships (any equation/ relationship), categories (any category), and numbers (any number)?

                Is there something or someone outside the world causing it? My attitude is that it is a downgrading and disrespect of the world to conclude that the world is a poor thing that is incapable, and that there must be something or someone outside the world that is taking care of the difficult questions.

                How would YOU explain the difficult question of how come the world knows its own equations/ relationships, categories and numbers?

                    Lorraine Ford We dont know if we have a kind of pantheirm like einstein said, we don t know if this infinite eternal consciousness omnipotent is a reality outside and inside this universe in a kind of 0D, In my theory yes I consider this and I consider a central sphere a supper matter energy sending the photons, the DM and dark energy in series of quantum spheres and after they fuse under the codes of this DE to create the ordinary matter and all this evolves . In the mathemaical universe of Tegmark or others it is an other explanation for the transformations matters energy, for the strings theorists it is still an other story they are divided, a part considers a god , others no but they consider strings in 1d at this planck scale connected with a 1d cosmic field in the GR like if the codes comes from the fields and oscillations like oif we had a god or others like we had no god . We have also the geometrodynamics of wheeler with points in 1D , or other interpretations like Hawking who didn t believe in god, in fact all this is beyond our understanding and we must doubt, a person affriming to now the truth lacks of humility and lies simply for me. Outside, inside, how,all this is not known Lorraine, the consciousness it is the same nobody knows the real mechanism actually.

                        Steve Dufourny
                        I’m not clear what you are actually saying.

                        I’m saying it is disrespect of the world, that leads people to think that there must be something outside the world that is causing everything. I’m saying that people have a disrespectful attitude to the world. People think that the world is a poor thing, so they think that there must be something outside the world that is causing everything. I think that people really do disrespect the world in every way.

                          Lorraine Ford it is clear , we don t know actually and we cannot affirm, It is this that I loved in the wonderful work of Robert Lawrence Kuhn and the taxonomy of all the models about the consciousness, see well all these models and ideas philosophically speaking, it is a wonderful work, I found my theory in ranking the animals, vegetals, sciences, maths, physics,philosophy , and one day in a book of biology I saw the evolution of brains in the time, that is why I considered the spherisation in a relative point of vue. The fact to rank and see the generality of models, theories, equations, postulates permit us to imagine and correlate and sometimes it permits to ponder relevant ideas, at this moment I repeat but we have no theory of everything or model of consciousness or concrete philosophy of origin of the universe,these mathematical, physical, philosophical limitations are unfortunatelly a reality . Our technologies are limited also to find deeper truths,it was easier 100 years ago about the measurements and observations and conclusions to ponder general equations in physics , now it is more difficult because we have reached limits of measurements and observations, Regards

                              Steve Dufourny I dont think that it is disrespectful to try to understand why we are conscious, why we exist and from what and how, it is the aim of the sciences , to find truths and to search answers. The people does not think the universe , the world is a poor thing, they do not disrespect the worldl, they try to understand it and extrapolate possibilities and philosophies and theories .

                                  Steve Dufourny If there is a disrespect it is mainly about the ecology , this and that or the fact that the humanity makes foundamental errors and don t act in a pure universal altruism , this is for me the disprespect but not what you explain,

                                      Steve Dufourny
                                      I'm saying that people have a fundamental attitude towards the world: that the world is a poor thing, and that something outside that world must be responsible for the world.

                                          Lorraine Ford the fact also that the universe evolves is a good thing but it is slow, maybe this intelligence and consciousness exist to help this universe to evolve, we are responsible at my humble opinion.

                                            So, the attitude is that something outside the world created, or is the source of, the relationships/ equations, categories and numbers. The attitude is that the world is a poor thing, and so it couldn't have created its own relationships/ equations, categories and numbers.

                                              Lorraine Ford what you tell is philosophically interesting, that is why the evolution is important and so the responsability of consciousness and intelligence, they are like tools of improvement.

                                                  Re consciousness:

                                                  How come the world knows its own relationships, and its own on-the-spot categories and associated numbers?

                                                  I think that no one could claim that the world has NO INKLING of its own specific relationships, specific categories and specific numbers.

                                                  So, I’m contending that there necessarily exists, at a fundamental level, a knowledge aspect of the world.

                                                    Consciousness, Mathematics, the Higgs Field, and the Fundamental Structures Space-Time Emerges From

                                                    Consciousness appears to be related to a mathematical process I call Vector-Tensor-Scalar (VTS) Geometry and an extension of that which I call Elliptical VTS Geometry. Both forms of geometry are related to the Higgs boson and the Higgs field which makes consciousness a universal phenomenon filling all time-space. When a plant or animal or human body is born, it accommodates a certain amount of this consciousness. The amount is tiny in the case of a plant or a single cell but in the case of humans and highly developed brains (or highly developed neural nets in AI), the nervous system can relay a more significant amount. When a theory of everything (perhaps quantum gravity) eventually entangles all objects and events in space and time*, it will describe how the human brain/mind can liberate itself from all boundaries and limits to connect with information about anything. * VTS and eVTS geometry are, as parts of quantum gravity, also related to spacetime’s entirety, including the part of spacetime called Earth. Our planet therefore fills all time-space, too (WARNING - this statement is pseudoscience unless the whole post is read carefully [link below].)

                                                    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/385376902_Consciousness_Mathematics_the_Higgs_Field_and_the_Fundamental_Structures_Space-Time_Emerges_From