The Multiverse and Existential Scale | Robert Lawrence Kuhn

Georgina,

You seem to be denying that science can even exist because you seem to think that people are full of illusion and delusion about the world.

As I said, it is a wonder that any animal or person could survive for even a day, if the world were as full of illusion and delusion as you seem to think it is.

In fact, it is only on the high-level details, of human analysis of the world, that people disagree.

All (except, seemingly, you) agree on the fundamentals, i.e. that the sky is blue, and the grass is green, and they can all agree when a tiger is chasing them. But people might disagree on the high-level details of human analysis of the world, i.e. what political party to vote for; or what is the best physics’ theory of the world.

Lorraine Ford "Lorraine Ford"#p168923
Your own maniacal laughter and vain attempts at ridicule are not an appropriate response to presentation of serious ideas worthy of sensible consideration. Perhaps you are incapable of addressing the ideas themselves and think you are clever by denigrating other people and making statements repeatedly calling their character into question. I'm neither detered or impressed by the level of debate you demonstrate. How does your ignorant, dismissive, attitude help?

Lorraine Ford
Get over it Georgina. lol.
How do you know that you exist? lol.
How do you know that you have a hand on the end of your arm? lol.
How do you know that you are a mother? lol.

Feedback from senses giving the brain information about the body internally and on the surface.
Feedback from my body allowing homeostasis, e.g. I am cold, I am thirsty, I am tired.
Proprioception is your body's ability to sense its own position and movements. It's an automatic or subconscious process. Proprioception allows your brain to know the position of your body in space without having to rely on visual input alone. It's also crucial to maintaining balance (By google)
Senses and feelings, including pain, allowing appropriate behaviour and learning.

Georgina,

You clearly don’t care that your writing is always full of spelling mistakes, which is a very strange and slack attitude for a person who claims that they were once a schoolteacher.

As I said, no animal or person could survive for even a day, if the world were as full of fundamental-level illusion and delusion, as you seem to think it is.

You’ve tried to say that people are deceived and tricked by the world in a very fundamental way, and that this somehow explains the physics of the world, or something or other. You’ve talked about: blind men and an elephant; a pair of socks; black cats; aeroplane wings; and termite mounds. And your latest gem, seemingly once again about how the world tricks people, is about moons that might not be there at all if people don’t look.

As I said, apart from you, no one seems to be suffering from illusion or delusion; no one is getting tricked by the world. Everyone can agree about the fundamental stuff, e.g. that the sky is blue, and the grass is green; and they can all agree when a tiger is chasing them. No animal or person could survive for even a day, if the world were as full of fundamental-level illusion and delusion, as you seem to think it is.

Where people disagree, naturally enough, is on the high-level stuff, the high-level analysis of the world, the sort of analysis that leads people to decide on what political party to vote for, or what physics’ theory of the world makes the most sense to them.

Georgina Woodward
So you personally do not understand or see the point of analogies. I am aware of that from previous interaction, it's nothing new, You are not all people. I do not write for you exclusivly.
Some people do understand and enjoy analogies. If that is not you , the analogy was not written with you exclusivly in mind. ( It's not all about you. )
Magic shows are a form of popular entertainment. Most people do not think the magic is real, but realise but not know how they are being decieved. Part of the fun is working out how the trick is done. Smoke and mirrors are associated with magic shows, as they are tools used to prevent informing potential sensory input reaching the audience.

Lorraine Ford"#p168927
Science shouldn't be decided by democracy. Reality is what it is, regardless of what the majority of people think.

There is no essential difference between the particle interactions that are happening in a living thing, like a human being, and the particle interactions that are happening on the ice planet Neptune. What is possible, what intrinsic aspects of the world are emphasized, the difference between a person and a planet or a rock, depends on what the particle environment of the particles will allow (1).

Contrary to what Georgina seems to be saying, the particles, and any subsequent atoms, molecules, and living things, are not deceiving themselves in their interactions with their environments; they are not being tricked by their environments.

The world, with its interactions, is a moving system, but it has often been noted that a set of equations cannot represent a viable moving system. I’m claiming that a viable moving real-world system requires logical aspects, as well as the aspects of the system that are represented by the equations and the numbers.

And when it comes to living things, different intrinsic aspects of the real-world moving system have more emphasis. With living things, the aspects that have more emphasis are the logical aspects of the real-world system.

These logical aspects of the real-world system are the very same aspects of the world that can’t be explained when the question is asked: "Why is there anything at all, why not nothing?"

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1. This “possibility” and probability are high-level human ways of analysing the world; possibility and probability are not actually existing low-level component parts of the world.

Lorraine Ford
Contrary to what Georgina seems to be saying, the particles, and any subsequent atoms, molecules, and living things, are not deceiving themselves in their interactions with their environments; they are not being tricked by their environments.
Lorraine you are completely misrepresenting what I have said, once again. I have not said that particles are tricked by their environment or particles, molecules, simple materials are decieving themselves ,in their interactions with the environment. I am not a pan psychist . I think these simple things do what they must, obeying the local laws of nature. Given the local matter, energy, space fillling substance and relationships between. The animation of the Milky way is likely is due to the energy it inherited at formation, since energy is not created or destroyed, only changes kind .

Georgina Woodward
please disregard the first asttempt above,The first paragrapgh is lorraine's, The second paragraph is my own words
Software problem.

Georgina Woodward
A living organism,such as a human being,is a material object made or many particles, but not just that,
An organism is not just a collection of particles , it has organisation, The particles making it are arramged into conected tissues each having a function which aids survival of that organism or its species through reproduction.. The tissues includes the brain with its structure. Organisation of the particles allows energent function, that just a collection of the same number of particles that are not organised doesn't have. With this level of organisation comes the emergent ability to receive sensory input and processing of it into observation products. Organisation that allow the living thing awareness of the external environment by processing of sensory information is cpable of being informed by it and also vulnerable to incorrect conclusions .

Georgina Woodward
Were your fingers not working, again, Georgina? That is strange, because your fingers seemed to be working perfectly well, when you recently blatantly placed 10 (?, I’ve lost count of the number) advertisements on this platform for your family’s commercial products.

Seemingly, this is what you and your family have been on about all these years, with your self-published family books, and your blind-men-and-elephants’ analogies: the world is inherently full of illusion; and physicists are therefore deluded about the world.

Georgina Woodward
That too is another strange belief of yours, Georgina, because no one has yet found anything that “emerges” from complex systems except the superficial appearance of something emerging. That is why people are forced to conclude that panpsychism makes more logical sense.

Georgina Woodward
Re your: "I am not asking for money but sharing something Iike for free." That is typical salesperson-spiel.

Lorraine Ford
I should add that logical elements, describable as “the system’s knowledge of itself”, or “the system’s ability to interrogate itself”, are required in order to create a complex system in the first place.

Symbols for the logical elements that represent “the system’s knowledge of itself” are required in order to create a complex system, as well as the symbols for the equations and numbers. Equations and numbers alone cannot represent all the necessary aspects that are required to make a viable system.

In other words, logical elements like “the system’s knowledge of itself” or “the system’s ability to interrogate itself”, do NOT emerge from a system, but are required to in order to create a viable system in the first place.

My point being that there is NO system or organisation (e.g. of particles, or tissues, or other matter) without the pre-existence of these logical elements in the world.

Georgina Woodward
No, Georgina. You have assumed life. LOL.

And then you have assumed that something emerges from pre-existing life. lol.