Dear Jayakar
Spce-time is a math model only.
Quanta of space have a basic vibration, they change electrical charge from positive to negativein a Planck time.
Cange of electrical charge does not run in time, change is timeless.
With locks we only measure change.
All universe is timeless, motion is timeless.
Time is tick of clock in timeless universe.
yours amritAttachment #1: 7_IIGSS_BASIC_FREQUENCY.pdf
Dear Amrit S. Sorli,
I think the Universe has spontaneous and inherent dynamics in which change of events have periodicity in time with the time of the Universe.
Yours jayakar
Dear Jayakar
Universe run without time. Universe run in timeless space Buddhism call "shunyata"
Time is man invention in order to measure change.
yours amrit
Dear Amrit S. Sorli,
Though the Matter-universe not has time as there is no dynamics in entirety, in Cluster-matter-universe model, there is inherent internal dynamics and has reference time. Thereby, I stick on my post at Sep. 5, 2009; 04:36 GMT.
Yours jayakar
Dear, Jayakar
when you will stick next it will happen in the same timeless space.
yours amrit
Dear readers,
I do not see the critique. It is not a forum for cosmetics and women, it is a forum for physics! If you rate an essay, it means that you read and understand the essay. Therefore, please publish your opinion and critique of the essay. We do not write holy papers, all essays have errors.
Why all physicists are afraid of criticism? I'm sure it is the main cause of the crisis in science. Every year a lot of papers are published but a little critique appears only. The false theories will grab all the world without critique!
Leshan
time is run of clocks in timeless space.
Please comment and disprove my statement above with experimental data.
yours amrit
Dear Amrit,
I believe you may have made an error in your post of September 5th, @16:53 GMT.
Events do have duration. We have duration and motion in our timeless universe. In our conscious experience of duration, we assume time is passing.
We move at a surface speed in excess of 1,600 kilometers per hour. The constant physical changes that this planetary rotational motion creates, supports the illusion of time passing. Our clocks are in concert, since we use this same motion as the measurement baseline for our time keeping systems.
For most intent and purpose, time exists on a rotating planet for it`s conscious inhabitants. Had we evolved on the moon, it would be easier to see that time passing is an illusion, that it`s really a case of duration elapsing, that there is no such thing or force as time, in reality.
Dear Jim
Events run in timeless space.
They have no duration.
We measure with clocks their frequency, velocity and numerical order.
Because we experience change in inner time we experience as they have duration.
Duration of change is result of measurment. We can only talk about numerical order of events.
yours amrit
Do you believe that the speed of light can not be exceeded in free space under any circumstances? Suppose a space ship is able to condense space in front and expand space behind, thus creating space inhomogeneity, will it still be limited to speed not exceeding c, the velocity of light.
Narendra light speed is maximum speed.
After that on Planck scale transfer of information and energy is immediate, so we cannot talk about speed any more.
Dear Amrit S. Sorli,
The 'time' I refer is for a Coherent cyclic cosmological model described in continuum mechanics in which space is only the extension of matters and the Cosmic-matrix is in fluidity. We may have to consider on scalar transformation of Planck time and we may need some modification in Lorentz transformation or some other transformation(s) in mathematics.
Yours jayakar
Jayakar
Universe is timeless. In the universe there is no time, only motion. Regarding Lorenz transformation in faster inertial system is velocity of events that is getting slower, tick of time included. Clocks run in space only and not in time.
yours amrit
'time is run of clocks in timeless space. Please comment and disprove my statement above with experimental data'
Amrit, do you have any experimental proofs for your statement 'time is run of clocks in timeless space'? Can you prove experimentally that space-time does not exist?
Therefore your affirmation do not have any experimental advantages concerning my affirmation that 'space-time exists'.
Moreover I can show you below some experimental proofs that space-time exists.
1. The appearance of virtual particles in empty space-time is the proof that space-time is a real physical phenomenon. If the space-time do not exists, why the virtual particles appear in empty space?
Please understand that virtual particles appear as a result of physical processes in space-time. Space-time 'boils' therefore virtual particles appear. Thus, the appearance of virtual particles is the experimental evidence that space-time is a physical object. Whence virtual particles appear if space-time does not exist?
2. Since we can influence the rate of time (tick of clocks) using material bodies (gravitation), it is the proof that time also is a physical phenomenon. If time do not exist, nobody can influence the time. For example the point with zero dimension do not exist, therefore you cannot influence the point. You cannot increase or decrease its sizes because it does not exist; it is not a physical phenomenon. But since you can manipulate the time, consequently it is a real physical phenomenon.
3. Your arguments from essay prove nothing.
3.1Your example with the Minkowski space-time is not a proof that time do not exist because you agree that it is a mathematical abstraction only. You cannot use a mathematical abstraction to prove that space-time does not exist.
3.2 Your example with the EPR also is not a proof for timeless space. 'The EPR experiment similarly reminds us that physical space is a timeless environment.' My theory of hole teleportation also use timeless communication, but it is a proof that space-time really exist. Because timeless communication is possible outside of space-time only (through a timeless hole). Quantum teleportation use the same mechanism, I published a paper (in Russian) that quantum and hole teleportation may have the same nature.
'time is run of clocks in timeless space'
How clocks can tick inside of a black hole? Inside of black hole do not exist MOTION, even atoms and nuclei are destructed. Since your 'clocks cannot run inside of blach hole, consequently your timeless concept is wrong. Your statement cannot explain all time phenomena.
Leshan
1. Virtual particles appear and disappear back into quantum space that is timeless
2. In stronger gravity clock mechanism run slower, physical time that is tick of clock run slower; there is no physical time beyond clock tick
3. , 3.1. I do not need to prove my idea that time is clock run in timeless space, you have to prove that space-time is physical reality; there is no one experimental data confirming that
3.2. in EPR timeless quantum space is direct medium of information
Inside black hole clock cannot thick as matter in black hole transforms into QS
To read more see discussion here: http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/489
yours amrit
Dear Amrit S. Sorli,
Of course, universe not have clock as it not have space. Then tick of time is event in clock that is in tensor field and we may conclude that two clocks are not identical. So funny the physics, I really enjoy this debate.
Yours jayakar
Jayakar
Yes two clock tick with different speed regarding density of quantum space. On the top of Mount Everest quantum space is more dense and clock there tick faster, at Pokhara lake quantum space is less dense and clock tick slower.
Physical time t = tick of clock in timeless space
PS
Conviction that clock measures some time that is part of space has no experimental evidence. We all see that clocks are mechanisms with which we measure frequency, velocity and numerical order of events that run in quantum space i.e. gravity.
Because we are not aware of inner time, we see time outside. I believe that physics in India will be first in the world accepting this vision. Because India has great tradition in meditation. In meditation observer becomes self-aware. He recognizes inner time and sees change as they run in timeless space. For me this will be one of the greatest insights of science in third millennium.
yours amrit
Dear Amrit,
Then quantum space is graviton with no inner time, am I right.
Yours jayakar
Dear Amrit
Your plan how to obtain a FQXI prize is very good; Since Barbour got a prize for his timeless theory, you repeat the Barbour's actions. Your essay also proves that time do not exist. You have changed the title of essay only. Yes, it is a plan destined for success. But appear the following questions:
1. Do you think FQXi awards twice the same timeless idea? The prize for a timeless idea has obtained Barbour and others already.
2. It is not an essay contest about the nature of time. Your essay does not fit to our present essay contest. Do you have new ideas that explore the limits of physics? Also I do not see 'the innovative and influential thinking about foundational questions' in your essay. All important ideas about time were published in the 'Nature of time' essay contest, therefore your essay does not contain new ideas in general. Therefore the scientific value of your essay is very low.
3.1 What are the limits of physics explanatory and predictive power? What does this tell us about the world? Your essay does not contain such kind of information.
3.2 What technologies are fundamentally forbidden, or may ultimately be allowed, by physics?
Your essay does not contain such kind of information.
3.3 What role do 'impossibility' principles or other limits play in foundational physics and cosmology? Your essay does not contain such kind of information.
Thus, your essay is outside of our present essay contest. Also your essay has logical contradictions. You declare first that space-time do not exist. Then you agree that 'According to loop quantum gravity, space itself consists of quanta' It contradicts one another.
Besides your timeless conception is very doubtful, because scientists look for experimental detection of space-time foam. The detection of foam will be the proof that space-time really exist. Also we cannot change unphysical things. However, since we can influence the rate of time (tick of clocks), consequently time is a real physical phenomenon.