What Physics Can and Can\'t Do? by Narendra Nath

Dear Narendra and all Indians ,

Some friends on Ecademy have wished me a Happy Deepavali,

I wish you and to all indians a very happy Deepavali

Peace,love,compassion,universality .

Steve

Dear Narendra,

You may want to see thislink :

http://fqxi.org/community/articles/display/103

Tejinder

Dear Narendra,

Thank you very much for your kind encouragement and your mention of my theory to others in this forum. As is to be expected, most participants are selling their own ideas, and should not be expected to sell others, so it is very gracious of you to behave as you have.

In your last comment to me above, you ask how I came to propose such a theory.

My long time goal has been to understand how consciousness and the physical world coexisted so harmoniously. My dissertation considers the problem of math and physics, and how a robot, programmed but unaware, could derive a theory of physics from measurement numbers. This is complex, but not mysterious. Conscious awareness and free will are mysterious. After many years I decided that the most rewarding way to understand consciousness was as a field, and one day, in 2005, I decided that if it were truly a field, then I should be able to write field equations. When I sat down to do so, it did not take very long to realize that the field exerted a Lorentz-like force. The symmetry, of G and C with E and B-fields was so beautiful that I knew that I must follow that path. My first conclusion was that I must show that the force was not strong enough to affect chemistry, otherwise that alone would prove the non-existence of the force. Chemistry works without requiring any heretofore unseen force. And yet, I believed that a weaker force might still affect bio-chemistry, thereby making evolution much more likely.

As I developed the ideas, working through the equations, I found that many things were explained that were otherwise mysterious. Some of these were recent cosmological findings, and some went back to Fritz Zwicky and his "flat rotation curves" and the more recent orbits of the Pioneer spacecraft. Clearly, if a consciousness field existed, one would expect to see the effects somewhere.

After almost a year of working out details, I was made aware of the fact that Maxwell had proposed the same equations about 1865, but had not followed through for several reasons. This was embarrassing, but I had never been introduced to the GEM equations in electromagnetic theory (Jackson and Panofsky and Phillips) or in General Relativity courses. I also had computed a much stronger field than Maxwell proposed, based on his ignorance of E=mc*c, not to be known for 50 years. And then I became aware that Martin Tajmar had measured a field 30 orders of magnitude greater than expected, and this agreed with my calculations. So gradually, as more and more problems were solved,I came to realize that the C-field is real, and solves many mysteries. Of course, Phys Rev Letters rejected me when they opened their mail, so I decided to simply publish books and not beat my head against the establishment wall. I found the FQXi contest about a week before it closed and decided to enter an essay here.

So, I did not try to attach consciousness to a physical field, I decided to explore the physical effects of a consciousness field, and found a never-ending cornucopia of effects.

Narendra, I also wanted to make you aware of three other essays, submitted by Terry Padden, Jonathan Dickau, and Stefan Weckbach and accompanying comments on their pages and on mine. The comments are very informative and I believe that you would enjoy reading them.

Thanks again for your kindnesses,

Edwin Eugene Klingman

Steve, Many appreciations for the Divali Greetings. It signifies the significance of removing the darkness of mind with the brightness of divine like consciousness. Love, truth and compassion represent the enlightend mind that enables the body to live always in the present moments all the time.

Tejinder,

i was away to the Himalayan foothills and will look up the site mentioned. I also thank you for an active and fruitful participation with other authors in this healthy essay contest. What matters more than winning any prizes or awards lies in sincere participation, with the good of all at heart!

Edwin,

i appreciate your novel attempt in your essay and will certainly look at the other authors you mentioned. I have been away with family to the mountains in our north. Hopefully, i may participate in the competition in the coming days a bit more and also put in my opinion about ranking other authors in my subjective judgement. In fact, judgements are very hard to make objectively, as rational mind is governed by the emotional side too. The human spirit lies in a balance of both these aspects.

May i bring to the notice of persons visiting this essay that i have made postings on other essaya, specially a recent one on the essay by Cristian S. Calude and Karl S. that pertains to the points already covered in this essay. There is no forum for an individual author to summarize one's contentions made on other essays and put the same at a central place for the view of other authors in this healthy contest. The theme being common, it would be nice if all authors individually are able to provide their common views on the other essays that they studied in detail and have specifidc opinions about them.

Thanks dear Narendra Nath for the explaination .

It's a beautiful .

The dark side is human and we evolve where the dark don't exist ,only the light .

The light and harmony is universal ....it's a beautiful perception of the harmonious evolution .

Our past is very hard ,our history to all is sad ,and we add simple bad habits .

The bad is a human invention ,like a mirror of the good .

Thus it will disappear in time .Because the optimisation is fundamental towards the ultim love and universality .The chaos is short and returns always to a balance ,thus of course some actual parameters must be considered in a shot time to evitate the chaotic exponentials due to a lack of pragmatism in a global point of vue .

All our globality must be restudied for the health of all this Earth and its interactions .Gaia cries in fact and not a little even its babies .The fundamental sciences can harmonise ,it's evident ,our ecology even is sufficient if some methods are put into practice .There is a real fundamental problem on Erath ,the lack of universalism .It's essential at this moment to act pragmatically .Let's imagine if some systems in numbers focus on locality with the good tools to improve the quality of life .Simply with an implantation of good systems and good productions .If the bases are implanted ,the rest will continue towards a prosperity respecting the environment .It's impossible for the human more than 6 billions to live correctly without discrimination if the soil isn't re considered with the ecology and the energy .It's really impossible even our towns must be re thought .We can't live without plants and animals ,it's purely impossible and dangerous .The man is a catalyzer of his ecosystem and the soil is sufficient for all .more than 1 billions of people don't eat correctly ,it's inadmissible simply .The health ,the education ,the food ,the electricity ,the social security ,it's inadmissible .If our story has made several errors ,it's not a reason to continue this road ,without any sense and faith in a global point of vue .It's an incredible reality ,so sad ,we cultivate the sufferings on Earth like a cultivator of the economy .That hasn't sense .

Sometimes I say me ,what is the faith if we don't act in fact .The faith takes all its sense with the acts and the compassion like two sisters of the hope .If all is linked ,how can we quiet in our minds without a balance between creations .

Yes a sad sphere ,beautiful but sad ,so sad this sphere turning around this other light sphere ,our sun .but we evolve fortunally .

Sincerely

Steve

What I find incredible is this potential .We can increase the mass and the interactions correctly.I test since several years a simple add of systems.

optimization Soil... plant multiplication ...composting ....and the hand of the man .That increases the mass and interactions ,furthermore in respecting some parameters ,the productions are exponentials ,simply.The complexity always returns to the simplicity .It's basic and rationally primoridial for a balanced earth .Some ratios in ecology are fundamenatsl ,all can be in harmony if some parameters are respected in fact .Our actual system of production is evidently and strongly bad balanced in a whole and rational point of vue .

The ecology is essential to live in harmony .The nature can give us all if we respect some laws of interactions between mass.We lost our link with the soil and it's a very very important problem .The first step is to improve all soils .Simply with a universal technic .The composting and the add of powders or additive like bentonit ,vermiculite,N P K ....in fact the aim is to optimize the interactions in the soil correlated with plants and the familly conditions .The macro and micro fauna shall do the rest and if the human catalyze correctly ,this cycle is exponential in its production .That permits to restabilize poor soils ,in others localities.Each country must be considered the soil like the first priority .It's essential .

After we plants and cultivate correctly .This kind of universal system always shall be in the equilibrium after x time .

All people needs to eat and drink .How can we live correctly if the production becoming from the soil isn't balanced ,even for our health ,all is correlated with the soil .

This technic isn't expensive ,it's the contrary in fact .....

Regards

Steve

Steve,

i am deeply impressed with the depth of your comments. Hope we all put our words into action in our lives. Science is a noble profession and we need to keep it away from individual's selfishness in order to raise its level. Universal good only can result in true happiness for us all as love is our very basic nature.

Tejeinder,

i am happy indeed to see that your excellently innovative essay is getting overwhelming success in this forum. Because of guests at home, i am stlll unable to visit the site you recommended. i will soon do so and let you know how i feel, thanks.

tejinder,

i haave visited the site you mentioned and have posted by comments thereon for you or anyone else to view. The proposed experiment if successfully implemented, will be significant for the mesomorphic region you envisaged to bridge the extremes of current classical & quantum pictures.

Dear Narendra ,

Thanks it's nice,but don't be impressed,we are all uniques and precious ,equals and linked ,unified and united ,it's our rule like human ,simply,...all is complemenatry ,equal and universal ,anybody is better than its fellow man ,it's the real compassion ,to understand the sufferings and decrease them .

you know ,me too ,I was desesperated to find scientists ,universalits and with a total compassion .Fortunally FQXi and Xing permitted me to find some people with this heart and competences since some years .That motivates ,we need that.

In fact we must think about the human ,know in human .It's the society which corrupts ,not the universe .All is there .The human is fundamentally good .

The bad is like a picture of a mirror of the good ,if you break it ,only the good rests .....virtual and short like the chaos ,thus it will disappear .

You know dear Narendra ,never I will stop ,I give my life for that ,humbly ,my eyes to the soil and my mind in the stars .

To all problem ,there is a solution ,for a big problem ,the united permits to increase the speed and efficacity of the process of resolution.

To rest divided ,it's prevent to solve really .It's only simple as that ,united and adapted sciences on ground .Now ,when I will arrive ,when we shall arrive ,...hope the soonest possible...............alone ,we are nothing in fact .The reason and the uniersal love can make many things .

The individualism is became a normality ,it's impossible to continue like that .We aren't on Earth for that .

In all case ,thanks to be you dear Narendra ,it's a pleasure to share some points of vue .

Best Regards

Steve

Yes we can hihihihi

take care

Steve

Dear Steve,

i try to keep a constant smile and perhaps that is what you mean by hihihihi. Let us all rejoice at this year FQXI compettition; Let us hope it helps our fraternity by eliminating hatred, animosity and other evils so that true science proceeds ahead unhindered towards its noble goals of improving the lot of the entire humanity without discrimination or selection criteria of any kind.

For the nanostructured material preparation enthusiasts, i have posted a comment recently on the essay site of Don Limuti ' From Gravity Upwards '. It may well interest people who are keen to do experimentation in the mesomorphic region, in between classical and quantum Physics, as suggested in the essay of Tejinder, in order to generate a massive sample to correspond to Planck's mass!

Hello ,

It was some words correlated with the words Of Mr Obama.hhihi

Yes indeed let's be universal and in the love .

You know I have had a very hard life and always I was too nice .I lost all due to my prettyness .But I rest like that ,it's the most important ,never be in the hatred ,it's the secret of the real love even with people who don't like you ,let's love all .

But one thing very very important is this one ,we have on Earth our past and some people are bad because they don't understand this universal love .We must be prudent .The actual human nature due to a sad globality is bizare .A difficult past for all the jumanity in fact .

Let's smile to all but let's be prudent in the same time .

Let's love all but let's be prudent with our prettyness .

Let's act for our fellow man but let's not forget the actual global system .

Let's unite with prudence ,reason and love .

Somethings are logics for some people like never chrush an insect but unfortunally many people crushes them .But we evolve fortunally .

Take care

Steve

The life is so simple on the road of love .

For example ,I have had some discussions with some people ,but when I will create this center ,they are welcome ,why because I like them in fact simply and never I am in the hatred .

Some people under a tolerance or some beautiful words of respect ,perhaps aren't in this universalitty .But we must continue to know in the man .The man born good ,it's the society ,our bad habits which corrupts this prettyness .

We must pass this information in fact .With prudence .

Steve

Prudence is a must through deep introspection and discriminatory judgement one needs to make in all issues whether personal or professiohal. That is what we do through both intellect and wisdom, but universal love must form the underlying substrate, as human nature is basically loving. Animal nature is more self-preseving and self-surviving, with violence coming in quickly as one feels threatened.

Let us have some physics discussions on the theme here, as the contest closes on Nov.,06 formally.

Greetings Narendra,

I did read your essay two days ago, but I've been away from the computer. I'm using the local library's machine now, while at a conference. I thought it was interesting and enjoyable reading, but I feel you could have gone further in stretching the boundaries of Physics, or projecting how we might extend them.

Your re-cap of the realities of Cosmology was enlightening. I don't usually think about Gravity being the first force to appear, but I guess but has to be that way. I tend to classify the cosmological epochs by what force becomes dominant, each in turn, and that makes gravity the last force to take hold, as it's only when the strong, weak, and EM forces are not dominating the process of formation that gravity's influence can exert it's most profound effect.

I also would imagine that the weak force begins to dominate as soon as nucleosynthesis proceeds somewhat, but it is agreed that we see heavy elements appear only after decoupling (or recombination - a term I feel is misleading) has taken place, which is when EM forces come on strong. I will have to re-read and comment further. I'll have plenty of time to read, but little access time until the weekend.

I did feel like you spoke a bit more about how advances in technology came out of the growth of Physics, rather than about advances in Physics itself, but I agree that the two are tied together, and that it's only by having some of these advanced technologies that we can hope to make further advances in Physics. Overall; I found your essay enjoyable, and thought provoking - but a little too brief. Your comments in the forum reflect a much deeper understanding of some topics than I sensed from the essay itself, and I want to give you the chance to say more (when I can).

All the Best,

Jonathan

Dear Jonathan,

i appreciate your painstaking and valuable comments. What happens to me is that i have a mss ready and then FQXI website essay competition gets annonced and so i submit what i have ready. The same happened to me last year when i submitted the essay ' Mysteries of the Universe- some perspectives '. It is also available on the FQXI last year website.

If i may so say again, i am a well retired professor and am not using the infrastructure of any lab. or University for the past few years. I access internet and do lot of contemplation and meditation. This helps me keep my mind somewhat unbiased of available knowledge. The rest comes to me automatically from the storehouse of total knowledge, the universe itself. i consider myself a part of it and not a separate entity/body. If now i cam even detach myself and become an outsider to the universe, it may help me further to become more objective and less subjective.

Regading the specifics, just look up the evolution picture of the universe, as reflected in the measurements done on anisotropy of microwave radiaition from the cosmos. It clearly reflects the emergence of the four force fields as per the logic of evolution. Strength of the force fields we have measured only now after 14 billion years. As you may note i clearly stated that these strenghts have changed over the long period. The same gets corroborated through rare but significant measurements made in cosmology for the velocity of light, e/m ratio, etc. for galaxies around 12 billion years away. These constants are not constants over the entire life of the universe. The mysteries of dark matter/energy, black holes , we face difficulty in understanding them, as the Physics of early universe was not the same as now. It is hard to take but then such has to be a fact in the life of the universe.

Regarding heavy elements restriction, it has come about both due to strong and weak interactions and has nothing to do with either gravity or elctromagnetic interaction fields. You know about the assymetry arising out of pairing part of the strong force. Please recollect that even the strong force becomes repulsive at close distances of nucleon size. Similar effects even the gravitiationalfield may exhibit but we have yet to make experimental measurements of such cosmological nature specially in the first billion years of the universe life, easy said than done!