Nice plan Jason,

But 2 points.

1. Anti gravity generators may exist. Have you seen the levitating frog? This was no hoax, just Google it. Essentially it was a very strong em field. There is a definite link between the em field and gravitational field we have yet to find. A basic similarity is that they are both representations of physical sets of co-ordinates, or reference frames, and they are and remain locla to the 'parent' mass. em waves won't go through an em field at anything other than 'c'.

2. Study and consider Superconductivity. (check recent Nature Physics). We've now reached a point where it seems energy fluctuations, or 'information', may be able to be transmitted at some sort of phase velocity rather than be limited to wave velocity, which the law limits to 'c'. Lets say you superpose two sets of waves just out of phase. At the right frequency, the observed apparent velocity of the peaks can be over 'c'. A bit like watching wagon wheels rotate backwards in the old cowboy films.

I'm not convinced that gravity waves as such, if they exist at all, will help you, but if you can find a way to get the coded information of a human shaped bunch of protons onto a phase velocity rather than a wave velocity, then decode it, we may be able to beam you up!

Peter

Dear Peter,

There is a connection between gravity (acceleration fields) and electromagnetism. It is so simple. We will all be kicking ourselves for not thinking of it sooner.

Frequency Modulation is the key. If you have access to an electronics lab, you could easily test it; maybe even put the results on YouTube.com.

This can be done with some electronics equipment. Take a Signal generator, a voltage controlled Oscillator (VCO), power booster and a satellite dish. You're going to need to generate a ramp function on your signal generator. The ramp function will be fed into the VCO. Ramps with positive slopes will generator attraction fields. Ramps with negative slopes will generate repulsion fields. Higher frequencies can be used to "grasp" smaller objects.

Normally, electromagnetic fields would cause the protons to accelerate one way and the electrons to accelerate the other way; like they do in microwave ovens. But guess what happens when ramp functions are used to drive VCO's? You get sloping potential energy gradients that fill the space of the beam.

Forget beaming up. Prepare to be worm-holed up.

Hmmm.

You seem to be going in an interesting direction, but there's still a lot of unproven physics to justify. (I would say 'prove' but that, after Popper and as always, is impossible!).

But I believe at present you'll fall down on the worm hole. I beleive infinities can't exist mathematically for a very good reason; they can't exist. If the laws of physics are the same everywhere then a Lagrangian point will exist at all centres of mass, which must include that of a black hole. The 5 around our planet, points of equilibrium in the sun/earth/moon system, are not unique, they're everywhere.

The microgravimetric survey of the great pyramid at Cheops supported a local Lagrangian at it's centre, which would be the same if it was floating in space, and the same if it was bigger. i.e. at the centre of the earth we'd float in equilibrium (if not magma!). Singularities are just muddled thinking based on lack of good information. There's zero evidence to support them and plenty supporting other models.

I think Ted Jacobsons columnar effect is the real key to superluminal motion, though he doesnt' yet seem to have quite followed through with all the implications yet, i.e. isolating and correcting the real assumptive error in SR.

I have a nice analogue; The 4th 'innermost' set of jaws in Alien - will only ever travel at a given speed wrt the next set out, lets call it 'c'. But if the next set out are in motion wrt the next set, and they wrt the outer set, we can do v+v+v+v. And if it's running at the time we can add another v. And if the local galaxy is moving backwards wrt the spacecraft (or vice versa) wec an add another if we've observing from outside the galaxy. Nothing we're seeing is doing more than 'c' locally, but we can observe it's apparent rate of change of position at well over 'c' without needing Lorentz. (as the light informing us of this reaches us at 'c'). Interestingly Messier 87 and dozens of other gas jets do just that.

Peter

Peter

"...but there's still a lot of unproven physics to justify." Experiments come next.

"But I believe at present you'll fall down on the worm hole. " You'll have to wear a spacesuit and a parachute. And if they lose power while your near the top, reentry could get kinda hot. It just makes better sense to use low energy wormholes.

"The 4th 'innermost' set of jaws in Alien " Kind of a gruesome analogy, but accurate. Whatever happened to the Alcubierre hyper-drive?

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Hi Jason

Been thinking about it and just cracked it.

Forget worm holes, they're fantasy nonsense, the answer lies in the Fourier Transform, the HFP and WFS.

Beckstein was right when he said a 'final thory must be concerned.... with information exchange among physical processes"

Signals are effectively re-sent by new point oscillators, which gives refraction between inertial frames, but there's no 'backwave, so it really is FM! Think superposed asymptopic waves.

I wonder how much information we can transfer to new particles and re-transmit in this way!?

Sorry not to be exited by your current hyperdrive plan, but this has rather bigger implications.

Best wishes

Peter

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Dear Peter,

You actually eased my mind a bit. I also cracked a piece of the puzzle. The force of a repeating frequency shifted photon is: F = h (f2 - f1)/(c t_ramp) per photon. I want to take this idea and go to work for Rockwell Collins. In this little equation lies the key to transducing electromagnetic fields into force fields. I've been afraid that if this equation gets out there, I'll lose my opportunity as being the only one who knows how to do this. In reality, I guess everyone has their own passionate attraction to physics.

When I said wormhole, perhaps that was a bit dramatic. Cylindrical acceleration field would be more accurate. At 100& efficiency, 1000 watts will lift 100 kg about 1 m/s. One would use significantly more power to get them up to the spaceship faster. It would be like "falling up" to the spaceship.

Hi jason

It may be easier than you think to 'fall up'.

I was looking at the WMAP for the eccentricity predicted by the DFM (it's there in anomous abundance) but noticed they have it the wrong way up!

I checked with ESA's Planck and they've done the same!!

I suppose no-one has told them which way up we should be. NASA did the same with the piccie of th Heliosphere they did; It's going right to left. Now look at the Milky Way and note which way it's spinning (ensuring you look from the top).

Do you see what I mean? Were actually going left to right. Otherwise we'd be going the wrong way round the sun.

You may well say there is no wrong or right way - but just look at all the other planets, which way do you think we should be going? Certainly not the opposite way to everyone else I'll warrant.

The importance of this is that we're all made of antimatter not matter. I know we've assumed we're made of matter, but it's the other way round - that's where we've gone wrong. There really is a difference; It's like assuming the Earths lab frame is universal, it's unbeleivably arrogant and unintelligent to think someone on the other side of the universe would care about how fast and which way our little planet is moving with respect to them! Everyone in relative motion is his own lab. That's relativity.

So, the upshot is, it seems we can fall up with impunity, and without going to Australia, or the other 'matter' half of the galaxy where Australias water would have spun the other way round a plughole. I'll let you have the pleasure of letting the team at the jpl know they have the map the wrong way up.

Love your photon calc. Hope it works, but remember that photons are about to be exposed as short term entities, propagated at inertial frame boundaries by Huygens Principle. This will allow unification.

But you're right. No-one will take a blind bit of notice of your equation as they all have their own beliefs and agendas. It seems Sir Karl Popper was right, we're all doomed as we can't challenge ruling paradigms any more.

Cest la vie!

Peter

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Hi Peter,

You sound a bit dismayed. Cheer up! Paradigms can be change (corrected).

I've never been very good at tracking the "correct" sign. So I sure as heck can't begrudge WPAP, or anyone else, if they got something upside down. In fact, I think the laws of physics themselves don't specifically designate up or down. Everything is relative to the virtual photons that carry around causalit and information like little mailmen or messengers. That's the only way coupling occurs in the universe; is by photons carrying news everywhere at the speed of light.

My hope is that once the physics community truly gets a better understanding of generating artificial gravity (acceleration) fields, that fusion will come next. With fusion reactors, energy will become cheap. Maybe we can built fusion plants aboard shuttles that can reach a low orbit in space, for a fraction of what it costs now.

There is reason to be hopeful.

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Hi Peter,

So it comes down to one simple proposition: is redshift equivalent to gravity?

6 days later

Interesting question Jason.

I would have said, "certainly not always", but there's another link I hadn't considered.

I'm now quite sure that the extra mass atributable to bodies in motion due to momentum/inertia does propagate the equivalent additional gravity. Particles in accelerators propagate a cloud of oscillators which hold the additional momentum, reducing to zero at rest. This would mean our galaxy edge Halo may reduce if we stopped moving through deep space, but anyway;

As Doppler shift also depends on speed; It gives a direct relationship between gravity and wavelength. So light from a lump of mass approaching us would be increasingly blue shifted proportionally to it's speed, but the light would also be increasingly red shifted proportionally to it's increasing gravitational mass.

Does that make any sense to you?

Peter

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    Hi Peter,

    Great to hear from you.

    The stress-energy part of the Einstein equations tells us what is included in (what causes) gravity, by virtue of "curving space". This includes energy density, momentum density, energy flux, sheer stress, pressure and momentum flux. These are all of the different kinds of energy that act to curve space-time. I'm not sure if that was helpful...

    "As Doppler shift also depends on speed; It gives a direct relationship between gravity and wavelength. " I'm going to reword that in a way that is familiar to me; you can tell me what you think. The change in gravitational potential is proportional to the change in frequency. This much I know.

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    Peter,

    You keep mentioning that there are halos around fast moving particles, when they travel close to the speed of light. I believe that everything is implemented with photons (virtual/real) including inertia. The idea of halos kind of fits with my idea that every particle(every thing) is immersed in an ocean of virtual photons.

    What do you think?

    Jason

    Thanx, I agree, but I've discovered a telling thing about the wavelength frequency relationship; If refraction into a moving medium conserves frequency and energy by changing wavelength (Doppler shift) angle and light speed between frames (the same as into different refractive index media), then we've found the problem with SR, resolved it and unified physics with Huygens-Fresnel, even without a background matter field. Can you see how?

    "Every particle immersed in an ocean of virtual photons" I feel you're on the wrong track, until you add the relative motion function. With no motion wrt a surrounding field its surrounded by 1/137th fine structure, at 0.999%c it fills the LHC tube at 1013/m-3. oscillating at gamma.

    That's linked with para 1, and frequency modulation with conserved spin axis. it resolves the paradox of the constancy of 'c' irrespective...etc. It's right under your nose, just follow Braggs advice. (my Nobel winning paper is almost done!).

    Best of luck with that

    Peter

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    Hi Peter,

    Sorry I haven't gotten back sooner. You present a lot to think about. I do wish you the best with your Nobel Winning paper; I'd like to read it, even if it's not finished.

    I've been thinking about photons, light, and high frequency circuits. I was thinking about how phase lock loops work.

    Sorry, my break is over. I'll continue later.

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    Hi Peter,

    So every photon is received with velocity c. That probably just means that the phase velocity c = lamda*f, always occurs. In other words, the measured frequency and wavelegth of a photon will alway adhere to c = lamda*f. This would be true no matter what. It doesn't matter if the photon frequency has to be increased or descreased to account for gravity or relativistic motion.

    It is true that we really have no idea what gravity is. We do know that gravitational potentials exist. We also know that photons that have to climb out of a potential well will lose energy and frequency. It is also true that light can follow a curved path due to gravity.

    "If refraction into a moving medium conserves frequency and energy by changing wavelength (Doppler shift) angle and light speed between frames (the same as into different refractive index media), then we've found the problem with SR, resolved it and unified physics with Huygens-Fresnel, even without a background matter field. "

    If the medium/frame is moving, then won't it be at a higher energy? Now, energy and frequency are conserved, of course. If you shine a laser on a spaceship moving away at 0.2c, the received frequency, measured on the spaceship, has less energy because the waves come less frequently.

    Likewise if you shine a laser on a spaceship travelling towards you, at 0.2c, the spaceship crosses each wave more quickly, so the frequency goes up.

    Yes, I know that length contraction and time dialation effects might contribute. Uh, er... what do you think?

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    What happened to the font?

    Bizzzare. I think we're now communicating in superscript!

    Perhaps that suits us.

    "So every photon is received with velocity c."

    No, not at all - you missed the point, which cantains the answer to life, the universe and everything! It's this;

    Every photons is EMITTED at 'c'. - but will be received at any speed subject to the relative velocity of the medium.

    Just think carefully about that for the moment. The fine structure at the boundaries of our eyes and all our measuring instruments is electrons. If we jump on our jet bike and shoot off towards some light at 0.2c, our fine 'boundary' structure will receive the photons at 1.2c, but pass them on to us at 'c', (blue shifted). If we go the other way? They arrive at 0.8c but we still get them passed on to us (red shifted to conserve the energy) by our fine structure, at 'c'. Simple my dear Watson.

    Do please for Pete's sake tell me you can now see the implications on SR of a quantum mechanism for constancy of 'c' !!

    Ohterwise I shall consider abandoning my search for intelligent life.

    Peter

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