Jason,

I'm not sure whether you speak partial differential equations or not, so I'll try to express the final equation in my essay in English.

The equation reads phonetically: partial-sub-rho(time) = partial-sub-x(mass)

What is shown in the derivation, but not explicitly shown in the final equation is that the units are inverse Planck's constant, that is, the right hand side is "per unit of action".

Now partial-sub-rho(time), where rho stands for volume, means "the change of time in a region of space".

and partial-sub-x(mass), where x stands for distance, means "the change of mass with distance" (across the region of space).

The result is a simple equation that represents space, time, distance, and mass in quantum units of action.

Now this probably won't make much sense if you think of solid mass, like a chunk of lead, but if you think that a gravitational field (in a volume of space) has energy (proportional to the field squared, like all fields, according to Maxwell) and use Einstein's E=mc**2, then we can think of the change in the gravity (across the region) where the distance x is the 'width' of the region in the direction of maximum gravitational change. It usually helps to draw a picture at this point where each side is represented.

So we have a change in time (time dilation) in a region where we have a change in the gravitational field energy/mass and the two are related. This simple (and beautiful) equation fell right out of my generalized Heisenberg quantum relation, which fell right out of my Master equation that claims that if we start with one field, and nothing else in the universe, the field can only evolve by interacting with itself.

Because you are very interested in time dilation, I thought that I would try to turn you on to this (quantum) way of looking at it.

Forgive me if you are an expert in partial differential equations, and simply let my explanation remain for non-experts who are interested in time dilation in a simpler way that it is typically explained.

Regards,

Edwin Eugene Klingman

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  • Post #40

Hi Edwin,

I'm trying to finish my essay this weekend. A lot of what you said is very very interesting. Yes, I speak partial differential equations. I have a BS in physics with lots of math courses.

I derived (wrote down the answer from heuristic thinking) a gravitational time dilation equation using the Schwartzchild radius for a photon that falls from point A to point B. I'm trying to argue that particles with mass accelerate, but massless particles (photons) frequency shift. Feel free to shoot me an email at wulphstein@gmail.com.

I'll bet you have some really cool stuff.

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  • Post #41

Peter

An excellent essay, refreshing to read and massively enlightening. A real revalation. It seems to me the content is worth a book, or series! which would drag physics 100 years on. I'm off to do some more re-thinking.

I'm happy to give you the highest score. I hope to be back to ask questions.

Matt

Matt

Thank you most kindly. I'm very happy to consider and discuss any questions. I shudder at the thought of a book, but you're right, I could only include a sprinkling of crystals from the massive glacier field.

Edwin

I look forward to the results of your deliberations. I've recently completed some work following a galaxy classification project, applying the DFM to galactic evolution. The results are astonishingly informative and beautiful. I'm trying to finish the paper now. My views on black holes have been modified. I was considering their gravitational cross section as flattened toroids, which was a very good fit, but not perfect. The answer came from the model, I was missing the dynamic power of them, They are massive energetic toroids spinning on the rotational axis but also (as in EM enegy) with a fantastic circular field round the torus 'tube' section, which what powers quasars/blazar gas jets.

The mechanism is certainly scaleable between stars and galaxies (did you look at the Chandra IR shot of the heart of the crab nebula? It can actually be seen! This must mean it is downscaleable, perhaps to particles, but it's a 'regeneration' process so I would be far from sure. It does not seem to me to a good analogy for the complex superposition of wave signals it must contain. Do you see an answer here?

I talked in my first paper about the effective mass and inertia of a gyroscope, and have come full circle to see that driving the universe, via the simplest basic physics possible, which can be successfully explained 'to a barmaid'. As AE insisted it should be. Effectively 'hidden in plain sight' as I commented recently.

Jason

I don't need to learn to trust the speed of light. Constancy of 'c' wherever you are and whatever inertial frame you're in (i.e. whatever speed your'e doing) is the heart of the DFM. It proves it's possible WITHOUT having to deny a quantum field, so is the only theory that consistently explains the CMBR rest frame.

In your train scenario you must correct two things; 1) The light signal reaching the observer is scattered off local particles in the air/gas in the train. It does 'c' wrt the particle, 'c' wrt the glass window 'n', and 'c' wrt the gas/air around the observer. And 2.) You must treat the observers frame as if it was a fixed video camera. You can then measure and properly consider the transit time across the frame. I hope that helps?

Best wishes

Peter

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    • Post #43

    Hi Peter,

    "I don't need to learn to trust the speed of light. Constancy of 'c' wherever you are and whatever inertial frame you're in (i.e. whatever speed your'e doing) is the heart of the DFM. It proves it's possible WITHOUT having to deny a quantum field, so is the only theory that consistently explains the CMBR rest frame."

    It sounds like you're referring to the Invariance of the speed of light. I'm just not sure that you embrace the invariance of the speed of light.

    When light travels through glass or a gas with particles,

    a. in glass, it takes time for the photons to induce an electromagnetic field in a glass.

    b. with particles, photons make unscheduled pit stops along the way. Both of these cause c'=c/n.

    The fact that particles emit photons only means that the photon has an energy equal to the energy gap that emitted the photon. If another particle absorbs that photon, it will observe it at the speed of light in that medium.

    Basically, photons jump between inertial frames A and B can result in a change in frequency. For index of refraction, it changes the wave-length, not the frequency. so you get c/n=c'=f*lambda'.

    One might casually speculate that light in free space is slightly different from light traveling through glass or gas; different with slightly different properties. It's certainly slower. But is it different enough to invalidate the invariance of the speed of light (when it's in glass)?

    Jason

    You really need to get it clear in your mind that 'n' does NOT invalidate invariance, which was only ever of.. "light in a vacuum".

    i.e. In the 1950's Feynman was in awe of Lena Hau slowing light to 35mph in BEC. It never invalidated constancy of 'c'. The bit you keep forgetting is that the 35mph in BEC is constant whether the BEC was in her lab, on a train, a plane, or the space station. Light arriving from any observers rest frame will simply change speed both; A to comply with the media's 'n', and B to comply with any relative motion of that medium wrt the rest frame. The evidence of the Doppler shift proves it has done both.

    You're not alone in repeatedly forgetting that, which makes nonsense, anomaly and paradox of perfectly consistent physical results. It seems our brains are simply not well developed enough to easily hold and apply two variables at once. That's why the 'elephant in the room' is not visible to most humans for more than perhaps a few minutes at a time. Once we've thought it through repeatedly and our brains have got used to applying it, it all becomes very familiar and simple. But it won't happen without effort, and being told how it works first. I's no wonder Einstein couldn't see it.

    The speed of light in a vacuum is absolutely constant LOCALLY, in ALL regions of space, which is why it is constant to ALL observers, in all inertial frames.

    I really hope you can do this as it's a revelation.

    Peter

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    • Post #45

    Hi All ,

    Good luck in this contest Peter, interesting essay.

    But where are Constantinos and Georgina ?

    Regards

    Steve

    Peter,

    I've finally posted a brief pdf that I believe relates to your essay (while being based on the ideas in my essay.) Please read it through a few times and then I'd be interested in your comments.

    GEM and the Constant Speed of Light

    Edwin Eugene Klingman

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    • Post #47

    what do you say Peter,why you say that? you are a real "genius thinker physicist"and your essay is very interesting,I bother you smetimes but you are very creative also,many people I think likes reading your posts.

    Don't stop dear friends, never,you are both of you, very very imaginatives and creatives.The 3 points of Jason are relevant....when the sorting of light is taken in a BH.The gravity fractalizes the light by its superimposings and fields.

    Don't stop your creativity and research of truth.

    Ps Jason you are right , the space and the mass and the light are purelly the same in the BEC at mu humble opinion.

    Best

    Steve

    Edwin

    First glance over looked potentially quite exciting, but a bit like hearing the excitement of a roller coaster from somewhere behind me. I turned from maths to look another way 40 years ago, I discovered much, but now can't look or think that way. (AE; "We won't solve problems with the same kind of thinking that created them") So I'll have to rely on you to explain.

    Did you know that naturally rotating toroids are scalable from tokamaks (sub atomic level) up to 10^9 (galactic smbholes)? I can't help thinking there's a connection, in fact I have a much better alternative for the issue of re-ionisation of hydrogen, which is also connected. (paper on the way). I'm also starting to warm more to the concept of diffraction rather than refraction, same thing but more gentle in an Ewald-Oseen extinction way, leading via the (combined?) field to QG. - and much more!

    Did the point about how the gravitational potential of a body increases when in motion through the vacuum come across in my essay? (the real equivalence of Inertial and Gravitational Mass)?

    I hope you can give me an analog commentary on your pdf, which I need vefore I can give intelligent comment. I'd like to understand some of the basic maths in a logical sense as I wish to adorn a paper with the odd equation (cited) to see if I can stop one being binned before it's read!

    Many thanks

    Peter

      Peter,

      Having worked extensively for 5 years on the C-field, I tend to forget that non-mathematical physicists sometime have a very hard time visualizing the term

      [(del) cross (vector1)=(vector2)].

      The cross product works at right angles to the vectors on either side of it, so that vector2 is orthogonal (perpendicular) to both del and vector1. And "del" is an operator that tells how things spread in space, a difficult concept on its own.

      Do you know how a line with electric current flowing through it induces a magnetic field around it? The gravito-magnetic field (the C-field) will be induced around a mass-current in like manner. But mass current, mv, is mass time velocity v, which is momentum, and although photons don't have rest mass, they aren't at rest, so they have momentum. That's what induces the C-field circulation.

      To try to get pictures in your head, go to "Magnetic Field" on Wikipedia, and click to section 5.1 in the Contents: "Magnetic field due to moving charges and electric currents". The first picture, illustrating the right-hand-rule shows the magnetic field around a current. If the arrow is the photon, the gravito-magnetic field induced will look the same.

      I am both surprised and impressed that you were able to work out the principles in your essay without much math and disappointed that you don't understand my paper. I though you'd be jumping up and down by now, because it is exactly the answer you are looking for.

      There are other aspects of the C-field interaction with photons that I'm working on now, but this paper contains the theory and ideas that you need. After you look at Wikipedia, if you have any question, let's discuss them.

      Willard may also be able to help here, but I think he's in academia, and may not want to go out on a limb about the C-field being strong enough to behave as I have described.

      In any event, I'm grateful to you for leading me in this direction, with your essay.

      Edwin Eugene Klingman

      Edwin

      Thanks, just a quick 1st response, I'm very familiar with the mechanics. In fact it's hitting some connections spot on. Have you looked at tokamacs in nuclear physics? Induced toroids with dual dynamic rotation, including helically. I'm proposing this is scalable, (in fact not only up to 10^9 for smbholes but possibly even as a candidate for the big bang more as the big crunch').

      This, via quasars, provides the missing re-polarisation process. I'm not a massive wiki fan but I'll look on it tomorrow as a refresher and read your notes again. I've been finishing my paper of galaxy secular evolution (I have the sequence) and well past my bed time now!

      Best wishes

      Peter

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      • Post #51

      Hello Peter,

      One of the problems in General Relativity is reconciling the Equivalence Principle and Tidal Gravity. So I am curious to know how you would answer the following question. Keep the answer simple, as I am not that bright.

      (This is paraphrased from a post to Jason.)

      The Equivalence Principle basically asserts that small, freely falling frames in the presence of gravity are equivalent to inertial frames in the absence of gravity. So as you fall freely, towards say a black hole, you are weightless (zero-g), and it seems as if there is no gravity in your vicinity (inertial frames). But the Equivalence Principle ignores tidal gravity, which also stretches you from head to foot and squeezes you from the sides. However, if you were the size of an ant you would experience less tidal gravity, than if you were the size of a whale. The question is, then, just how small would you have to be to ignore tidal gravity completely, that is, to consider yourself to be in an inertial frame of reference falling freely towards the black hole?

      All the best,

      Robert

        The mention of 'local realism' has taken a startling turn with Joy Christian's work here. I go into details elsewhere, but if Christian's work is correct, then all of the arguments based on so-called 'violations' of Bell's inequality are incorrect [or 'not even wrong', as Pauli would say.]

        This does not contradict Willard's comment above, but is relevant to my essay and I think to Peter's.

        Edwin Eugene Klingman

        Peter,

        Although, as Willard pointed out above, your 'local realism' has a very specific meaning, nevertheless, I believe that Joy Christian's work [of which you're already aware] has significance for your essay, if only because his work demolishes the non-sense of non-local, non-real entanglement that has taken over physics for almost half a century.

        Since my theory is based on local realism, this would, if not providing strong support for me, at least knock down a major line of attack against me. And since my theory, as noted in GEM and the Constant Speed of Light supports one aspect of your theory, then it affects you too.

        This is a very exciting development.

        Edwin Eugene Klingman

          Robert.

          Good question. Gravitation is a gradient. On an ideal slope a moon sized boulder would be effected the same as a tiny ball bearing.

          But an ideal slope is like maths, it's an abstraction. When we get to particle size only an ideal plane light wave can't 'scatter from itself' (interact with the quantum vacuum) so the bumps not only get in the way, they're essential to provide the diffraction for curved space time, - doppler shifting as appropriate due to the slight delay of polarisation (which is 'Stokes scattering').

          Sorry if that got complicated. But think of the Equivalence of Inertial and Gravitational mass. If a comet goes past us it will attract us more if it goes faster! Bizzare? not when you consider the amount of additional mass it has in the photoelectron cloud around it, subject to it's speed through the vacuum!

          Simple really. By the way, that's all from well established physics, but the connections haven't been spotted by 'general' mainsteam yet. Probably as they're not looking in the right directions or with overview. I have 'easy read' links on my screen i've just posted to Jason and Eckard so I'll also put them here; http://cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/28606 http://cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/28606

          Do let me know if that helps.

          Peter

          Edwin

          I agree, but remember, in a 9 page essay I could only give a snapshot of one aspect of the DFM. - as with your own work. Joy's treatise is far reaching but central and fundamental in proving it's basis, though not going as far up the concrete 'consequences' track as the DFM We're coming at and looking at the same mountain but from a different town, as are you. It seems to me most of the reason we're all in different places is lack of research.

          I'd like to keep exploring the connections between our approaches, as the sum of the parts.... ..and there really is a mountain to climb.

          As light reading you might also enjoy the links I just posted for Robert above. They also help falsify both of our theorems, and may help in terms of approaches.

          I am continuously excited, and am really thankful for your support, as well as often close to despair in the search for other intelligent life!

          Peter

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          • Post #56

          Hello Peter,

          Thank you for the reply and please do not think me rude, but you haven't answered the question. Perhaps I was not clear enough in what I was asking, but I am at a loss to ask it any clearer.

          Anyway I see you and Dr Klingman have found common ground. Hopefully it will be a fruitful partnership for you both.

          All the best and good luck to you,

          Robert

          Robert

          Sorry. The Boulder/ball bearing analogy was supposed to explain that size shouldn't matter, as the 'slope' is the same at all scales.

          i.e. an ant and an elephant will be stretched at precisely the same rate/mm, or percentage.

          When we get down to electron size we'd have to know how gravity works. I'll have to get back to you on that one.

          Did that answer it ok?

          Peter

          PS I se I posted the same limk twice! The really good one that explains it well is here; cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/37860

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            • Post #58

            Hello Peter,

            It is unnecessary for you to answer the question, but it is something for you to think about. The reason I asked it was to see how your theory copes when we pit SR and GR against one another, so to speak.

            In case you are interested, the answer I give in my essay is that inertial (gravity free) frames are fictitous, and the reason we can measure (with a certian margin of error) the speed of light as c 'locally' is that the 'g-force' we experience is negligible. This is consistent with GR.

            All the best,

            Robert