2020 Vision. A Model of Discretion in Space by Peter A Jackson

Hi Peter,

I liked your essay very much.

It struck me as a good balance between theory and

physical reality.

Don L.

Hello Peter:

I really enjoyed your essay. No doubt I will re-read it several more times as I continue trying to piece the jigsaw puzzle of the universe and nature together in my own head.

Good luck!

joseph

Dear Peter,

Maybe this is just a bad luck. I chose some essays at random. You know, there is probably more than 100. The first one was quite easy to get. The next three impossible. Yours is the fifth and I think this time the essay is not technically correct and rigorously argued, to the degree of a published work or grant proposal as FXQi demands.

Maybe I shall give up and stop reading the essays. Or maybe someone could recommend me something technically correct and easy?

Walter John

Hello Peter,

Sorry about dropping out of sight past couple of months. But as you know I am coauthoring a chapter in a book on Thermodynamics and my focus has for now been diverted to that project. This contest, however, opens another opportunity to exchange ideas. I continue to be interested about your ideas on refraction and how this can be explained by a time delay due to 'accumulation before manifestation' of energy. An idea that is central also in my thinking, as you know.

I have a curiosity that I want to share with you. In my essay I present sound mathematical arguments and show that Thermodynamics (the Fundamental Relationship as well as the Second Law) requires that 'events' in Nature take some duration of time to occur. That physical time is in the sense of 'duration', t-s, rather than 'instantiation', t=s. An 'event' however as considered in GR is given by a set of coordinates, (x,y,z,t) where of course time in 'instantiation' t=s. This seems to me to violate Thermodynamics. And if so, wont the Cosmology that is based on GR, deeply Thermodynamical, also be false?

Best wishes for a successful contest. I have not read it yet, but I will. Hope it does well and your views are considered by the judges. Who knows. If more of the essays that call for 'physical realism' reach the final round maybe this call will be taken more seriously by physicists.

Constantinos

Hello Peter,

You seek empirical falsification of 'discrete spaces'. Theorists would give you a theoretical falsification, based upon GR.

Grab yourself a pint and imagine the following conversation with Einstein.

Einstein: GR deals with gravitational fields according to which the velocity of light appears to vary with the intensity of the gravitational field.

You: Based upon your logic and data from space exploration, I postulate 'local parts around "ponderable mass" as discrete regions..., within which light travels at speed c'.

Einstein: Recall in the Black hole 'problem' the ideal solution for you to avoid tidal gravity (consistent with your inertial field) is for you to be a point. Granted this is unrealistic, hence, suppose you are larger than a point but sufficiently small enough to ignore tidal gravity, then according to GR, if you were to resist that freefall into the Black hole (experiencing g-force) then you would measure the speed of light 'locally' as greater than 299,792.458 km/s, and the greater the g-force you feel the faster the speed of light appears to you. Hence, unless your model permits you to experience g-forces, and still 'locally' measure the speed of light as c, I cannot agree with your 'discrete spaces' postulate.

I hope you do not mind me bringing this to your attention. Perhaps you have gotten around that problem, but if you haven't then you have some 'food for thought'.

All the best,

Robert

No Dear Willard , he has understood that it exists some frequences relevant of universal communications.

Now if the stars produce , perhaps the BH also but thus it is with an other logic than light and its special realtivity.I just think he searches in the false road but if he finds the good road, it is very relevant.

Now of course it is the gravity which polarises the light and perhaps the BH implies some interesting fields correlated with the entangled spheers and THEIR VOLUMES.

Regards

Steve

you are a good person also as many here! ahahaha He is jesus , hello jesus Spoljaric and Peter is Budda.

Wel now let's take a quarck gluon plasma and let's see the light speed in a pure special relativity but if the velocities of rot are inserted......

Steve the crazzy humble arrogant

Hello Peter,

Please do not think I am picking on you. If you have an answer to the above problem, then good for you. But if you don't then you have an opportunity to strengthen your model, or to predict something different to GR. Either way you win!

Best Wishes,

Robert

Hi Robert.

Much food for though indeed. Mostly, in physics, answers are from such a different viewpoint to questions that no harmony results. I fear that here, but will first transmit on my own frequencies anyway. The conversation continued;

PJ; "I agree Albert, gravity is non zero in all inertial frames, but let's imagine ourselves 100 years in the future, and we find Galaxies have over 300Bn solar masses in their ion plasma Halo's, many kpc's deep at densities up to 10^9/cm^-3. And the Earth has a similar density plasmasphere. Do you think light could pass through these respectively at 'c' with respect to deep space, and at 'c' wrt the sun? Or would it change to the local 'c'."

AE; "Hmm, so you believe my friend Arthur is a bit of a duffer, light changes speed and curved space time is all about diffraction?"

PJ; "Well, let's just say you were right insisting Cartesian co-ordinates had to be attached to a body not used in the abstract, as there are no point particles, But the real point is that it proves your Equivalence of gravity and Inertial Mass, as particles, ions, can then condense from the ether increasingly with speed through it, representing the mass that attracts other particles."

AE "Mien Goot! That's so simple! Yes I did say space without ether was unthinkable! But! ..Will it pass the acid test?!"

PJ; "OK let's ask and find out. "Marleen.. have you got a sec to tidy the bar counter for an experiment?"

Marleen tidies the bar, PJ wets it, puts Albert at the other end and slides his beer along it at breakneck speed. Albert catches it.

PJ; "Now, ..Marlene, ..did the light going through the glass and beer take a different time to do it just because the bar was moving with respect to it, and the wavicles arrived at a faster rate?

Marleen "Of course not dumbkopft! did you never listen to Auguste the lighthouse keeper!?

AE; "Ahh' I see what you say! Unless we slide WITH the beer, light can appear to change speed both due to the 'n' of the beer AND the 'v' of the glass, so CAN be c/n plus v! Without Hendricks' exponentials, but still not actually break the 'c' limit! but of course!!, your beer is a galaxy!

PJ; "Yes, or just one moving electron. If only you could see 100 years into the future Albert, you'd probably still be brighter than most of them who may only be able to see 100 years into the past. And you were proved right, inertial mass really does = gravitational mass so a = g. I wonder if anyone in the future will have the intellect to see that!"

AE; "Ahh! but we won't be able to solve the problems of physics with the same kind of thinking that created them!"

PJ; "Who said that - Oh yes it was you, and perhaps your wisest words!. Another one for Albert please Marlene.."

If only! Peter

Dear Peter,

You are correct old friend, we must support one another. The 'old one' is subtle, but not malicious. The question is are we clever enough to know 'his thoughts'? We can only hope.

Who are we to challenge the status quo? Thanks to FQXi for giving us the opportunity!

Let's drink to that!

Cheers,

Robert

Hello Peter,

I've been discussing with Edwin Klingman (in my thread) a few things on the idea of cosmic mass-energy genesis and the idea of motion transformations instead of spacetime transformations. Your essay was mentioned.

My understanding is that in your view black holes recycle mass and energy. This is an interesting idea to me because that is part of my own view.

I have however the extended idea that black holes are actually involved in the 'creation' of new 'cosmic' mass-energy out of the fundamental and infinite 'chaotic' mass-energy reservoir. My idea is that basically the 'chaotic' null energy in the void 'flow' into the gravitational systems and are transformed into 'cosmic' densified mass-energy that get fissioned and stabilized in the domain of the cosmic observables, or that get radiated and attenuated back into the domain of the chaotic void. The overall process is biased towards the increasing cosmic mass-energy domains as time passes.

My idea is that we have the 'super thin' 'dark void' at one extreme end and the 'super dense' 'black holes' at the other extreme end, with both characterized as having the invisible 'dark' or 'black' motions; while in-between we have the variegated visible or observable quantized motion constructs.

My propositions are based mainly on the idea that 'motion' is the basic component or essence of all the phenomena within space. Everything that we see or touch is of the essence of motion - i.e., particles and waves are all constructs of motion.

I have held back quite a bit on my ideas. But I hope you will read my essay and give it a rating, too.

Rafael

Hello Peter,

Thanks I will take a look.

If you are interested to know what 'the Light' is, then you may like to read the last post on my thread where I attempt to explain it. At the very least it may explain my low rating.

Incidentally the score I have given you has registered, but not yet your score to me.

All the best,

Robert

Hello Peter,

I wanted to thank you for your last correspondence on my forum. I left a response there. I also wanted to let you know that I was in full assault mode on my last entry of the time traveler's blog. You might want to check it out and let me know what you think.

As always, thanks for your support.

Dan

Peter, Robert, Dan,

I just read Paul N Butler's essay at http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/849. This may be good reading for you, too.

Rafael

Peter,

I thought it would be more convenient for you if we discuss you questions here, instead of on my essay's page.

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"If we say the 'problem' is to explain how a constant speed of light is measured by all moving observers, does it understandably explain how this can be achieved with a quantum mechanism?

If successful, this should lead to the success I referred to."

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Peter, can you expand on/clarify your question?

Hi Peter,

First thank you very much for your comment on my essay, for me (not being a professional scientist) it is already an honour to be published among such a erudite company.

Untill now I read twice your essay, and really this explained for me some essentials of SR, your title 2020 vision is I hope pessimistic we have as you say to overcome the centric specialistic personal vieuws, where we go deeper and deeper into the fractals of our knowledge and only come across the same formula.

I liked very much the explanation of the quasar jets at 7c , imagine what would happen if we did not apply the "within media" ands the "relative velocity" of media elements, the photons from other "space" would go back in time , and emerge in our past, observers at that time would see emerge from nothing a strong beam of photons (then at c locally), if this happens we should now also see emerge these kind of strange explosions of photons, and I don't think we do.

You mention that a massive body is surrounded by a discrete area of space, this causing the plasma shock, the illustrations give a very good proof of that, I understand that when we go to the smaller scales , you mention even below Planck matter domain, we will encounter the same kind of effects, and here Peter your essay and mine have a point of contact, if in my idea the Planck scale 10^-33cm is the ultimate measurable so observable length in our 4 dimensional world, if it also surrounded by space is space the right word, or is it, and that is what I would prefer a "Field" emerging from the existance of the Planck quantum, the collisions of these surrounding fields could very well be the origin of what you call plasma shocks that are responsible for gravity and inertial mass , this would explain also the so called "holographic" appearance of our Universe. Of course on the larger scale these multiple plasma shocks become a continuity forming another observable space with its own local c.

The contenence of your essay is very wide, I am awaiting a book on this subject that goes perhaps also deeper in Gravity that depends on accelleration and speed via mass (where time runs slower) through a condensate/potential, the whole shabang of our universe is waiting for people like you and verybody partcipating in the ultimate contest of understanding.

kind regards and of course a high place in this contest.

William