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Well , first of all hello dear manager,

Interesting strategy but about sciences and realism ...Nada .I invite you to learn the foundamentals and our rationalities, you know it exists many good books about our equations and ITS INTERNATIONAL LANGUAGE.

I invite you to insert a good SOA and a good sorting of your algorythms.MBA you say , I am seeing!

Well to your boss and chiefs at IBM, he searches in the bad road .....thus of couse you must rethought some things.A big joke your mixings and ironical pseudo sciences what is this circus.Frankly ,let's be serious a little.You know the Occham Razor and hop all is easier.It is true what, you think what , that watson lab is going to search these ironics extradimensions of nothing for nothing.

Regards

Steve

Really ironic

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Hi Ray,

I briefly skimmed your essay, but admit that I need to study it closely. I like to study all models that are this similar to Lisi's.

Some questions come to mind:

1) How do we build-up this model from the 48 outcome possibilities of Figure 10a to the 240 roots of E8? My models expect a 5-fold "pentality" symmetry (such as may arise from a 4-D Pentachoron basis) to provide the origin of fermionic mass.

2) Could the "sixth element" be tachyons? I expect tachyons to be involved in the origin of mass.

3) Lawrence Crowell and I think that TOE may be a SUSY E8xE8*~SO(32). Lubos Motl challenges the validity of an E8 TOE because it doesn't have complex representations, but SO(32) does...

If you get a chance, I would appreciate your opinion of my essay @ #816.

Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

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    ahahaha you are also in this pseudo strategy of Ex for what ....a prize.

    Good luck aftr all you have a chance as you are very skilling in business strategy....please HARVARD LAW WHERE ARE YOU ?????

    HIHIIH LET4S GO THUS.

    DEAR ALL DON4T CONFOUND THE REAL MODEL WITH THE FALSES SIMILARITIES PLEASE?

    To you

    Steve

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    and now John Baez in the team and also he is from supelec I suppose.No But frankly! You make sciences or what????

    ps The higgs do not exist but frankly , what are your courses in physics at universities.It is time to learn your foundamentals.

    First the Higgs has an external cause of mass,thus of course that doens't respect our standrard model and its newtonian fractalization of mass and correlated fields.

    I think you confound the computing with the reality and of course we understand thus why you bad superimpose your laws and methods ....You confound the business and the sciences, you confound the rationalism with the illogism.You confound the research of truths and truth with a pseudo research of nothing for nothing.

    Furthermore a string is not foundamental and of course we understand thus why you confound all, probably due to some nodes and bad habits.

    Strings, multiverses, and higgs and tachyons and ...all that is..an ocean of stupidities and ironies for the rational part of the sciences community.And be sure they exist.

    Regards

    Steve

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    they compute faster...what they accelerate it's that ahahah because you insert quaternionic algorythms, it is that,it's

    The best discovery yes and me I am the queen of England.No but frankly it's just a tool.We dream in live.What are you saying there.

    you must rethought your method of approximation.In fact you confound really the things.

    A tetrahedron quaternionic and 3 imaginaries and 1 real...no but frankly already that te tetrahedron is not foundamental four our entanglement, already that the time is not a vector in this tetrahedrom...and now the quaternion who says to the octonion that galois and lie are friends perhaps also....where are your foundamentals????

    That lacks of realsim all that.and of course we have infinie dimensions and opur universe is infinite as our expansion also....no but frankly.

    Steve

    p.s. - Ray - I thought that E8 implied Octonion algebra, which is equivalent to a Real Quaternion "twisted together" with an Imaginary Quaternion.

    Have Fun!

    Dr. Cosmic Ray

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    HIHIHI LET S GO FOR A REVOLUTION OF A CRAZZY BELGIAN pay attention at this momment I don't take my meds,thus don't be offensed of course ,thus we know the team now Th , Ray 1,Ray2,Lisi...they like the Rays.Lubos and Lawrence..Yuri no don't say me you are with them with Mr Baez.hihihi let's have fun...hihihi Dr cosmic Ray, revolution.let's go for a comportment of paranoiac baby

    Oh lalalala the poor thinkers.....Lubos is a comic in fact and they just make pub for something which is already finished.If them they are rationals , me I am still the queen of England.Oh lalala this sad papper which governs our lifes, the monney is like the vanity, an error.

    In fact it exists How many rationalists on this Earth frankly?? How many people knows the real meaning of the relativity.Frankly it is bizare.And the most impressing is the fact that you insist as if you were right.As if you were real scientists.And you repeat still and always your stupidities ,and you are happy furthermore,it's ironic to see pseudos scientists affirming that they know sciences,It is not possible when I see your conclusions and visions of our objectivity.A real wind, a real joke...a false friendship, a false patriotism...just a band of frustrated by lack of recognizing, that's all.I am not crazzy it is God who says me that, he says me , Steve Pay attention and don't hesitate to be direct because unfortunally the human nature is young and makes errors.

    Begium 150 USA CANADA NETHERLANDS 0

    Steve

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    ahahahaha as that you shall say , you are seeing all "Steve when we speak of quatern and octo and lie ande Ex ...he reacts immediately ahahahaha interesting .they want to destabilize me,hihiih

    Friendly crazzy thinkers

    Steve

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    You right, Ray!

    The discrete physics has many opponents

    http://motls.blogspot.com/2005/11/discrete-physics.html

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      amen !

      17 days later

      Hi Dr. Cosmic Ray

      Thank you for reading and for asking very pertinent questions.

      For your first question, a very important one: how comes E8 from D4, as lattices ?

      The answer is illustrated by Figure 4b

      You see here a fermion (in Lisi's base) from one family, encoded by two triplets of bits:

      One gives a number in 0-7 to select one of 8 out-coming short links (of length 2),

      The other selects one of the 8 out-coming long links (of length 2*square(2)). A long links is (1+i)*the short link, when each of 24 external leaves is connected through a short and a long links to external leaves of neighbor modules. So we encode here 64 fermions by 64 E8 roots.

      Just by rotating the diagram (the three central bits) by 1/3 and 2/3 of circle you get two other families. (thats what I call 'elegance')

      Triality reduces to 1/3 circle rotation, and 1/2(-1+i+j+k) quaternionic product.

      Now you have 192 of 240 roots, corresponding to fermions of standard model.

      So E8 lattice is twice projected to D4, one of the projection being "twisted" as you said.

      This twisting is the (1+i) quaternionic multiplication, and geometrically is two 45° rotations in two perpendicular planes and one square(2) scaling

      One D4 is the gluonic part of the fermion

      The other is the higgsonic. (in [math]\left\{ \frac{1}{4}\omega _L^3, \frac{1}{4}\omega _R^3,\frac{1}{2} W^3,\frac{1}{2} B_{1 }^3\right\}[/math] root system)

      Positive weak force boson W+ has quantum coordinates {0,0,+2,0}, represented by quaternion 2j , and its opposite, -2j, for its anti-boson W-.

      Left chiral (self-dual) part of the spin connection is represented by 2. Right chiral (anti self-dual) part is represented by 2i.

      The 16 hypercubic vertices of the radius 2 24-cell, with coordinates ,each +1 or -1 are 16 frame-higgs bosons, therefore we name this sector "higgsonic".

      On this basis, fermions coordinates are permutations of {2a,2b,0,0} where a and b are 1 or -1.

      Due to the fact that the sixth element, the icositetrachoron (or 24-cell) is self dual, both D4 merges in the same lattice.

      For your second question, my sixth element is not a tachyon because it is only the geometric structure of the proto-space as a 4D crystal.

      The structure (as a trivalent subgraph) of a cell of empty space at Planck scale, illustrated in Fig 4a, is the cell of this crystal, and hold symmetries and geometry of the sixth element, the 24-cell.

      As you explain in your paper how fermion are vertices of a direct lattice and bosons are struts of the dual lattice, my hyperdiamond lattice represent F4 lattice and its dual (itseff) in same lattice, because of self duality of 24-cell (with a square(2) factor between both). Then the figure has one more step of complexity. Two half-fermions are symmetrically encoded with bosonic part in the dual. So we have bosonic higgsonic sector, and bosonic gluonic sector in its dua. And fermionic has two halves (of the E8 representation), one in dual of bosonic higgsonic sector, and the second half in dual of bosonic gluonic sector.

      By this innovative way of thinking, my theory escapes to mathematical issue which were found by Jacques Distler in Lisi's theory.

      My model allow an explicit construction of the LQG gravitationnal field (the tetrad), as a field of four quaternions which values are implicitly encoded by the local topology.

      The connection and the metric tensor both derives from the tetrad (and its derivatives, that can be defined along the supporting spin network, whom nodes are getting a 4D position field also implicitly defined)

      In this context, E8 may be enough, and no need to go to E8xE8...

      Its difficult to explain all my theory in a 10 pages paper, and I m working on a more extensive demonstration.

      All the best,

      Ray

      Hi Steve,

      A man who love spheres can not be totally bad. You suppose more facts than me. Its my method: minimize hypothesis. I just suppose that information is real and more elementary than matter and forces in our real world. Then, the best tool to modelize our world from this basis is set theory, the ultimate simple math. And topology and graph theory are used just after, in a way that even a non scientist can understand, to generate a spin network encoding information. I prove that this information encodes also the gravitational field of Quantum Gravity as a "Tetrad" implicit field, and the extended standard model from 24-cell symmetry. If my universe is not based on spheres, its based on its best discrete approximation, the 24 cell. You understand why spheres I like are S0,S1,S3 and S7 ?

      I searched for your paper on spherization but didnt find it anywhere.

      All the best

      Ray

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      still computing, any real physical sense.

      Pay attention dear all rationalists, they are going to invent a time machine with tachyons because they have received a Higgs information of pseudo gravity which turns, a string which turns also and of course a tensor with infinities there and after a kind of super extradimensions for travel in time, indeed we must return at home.Extradimensions no but frankly and what after a BH is a door between periods also at all scales , no but frankly.It is not sciences that but sciences fiction, sorry, just sciences fiction, a kind of sciences for non scientists.A kind of pseudo extrapolations becoming of confusions, numerous, be sure.No but frankly , I must say you that we have our universal laws , irreversibilities, constants,....and these foundamentals are rational, deterministic and logic at all scales in 3D. i AM SORRY BUT YOU DO NOT RESPECT THE ENTROPY, ITS DISTRIBUTION IN COOLING, YOU CONFOUND THE PHYSICALITY AND YOUR IRRATONALITIES.You must really buy better books, they exist!I invite you to read and learn even the works of Ecard about the pure rationality, but perhaps you prefer infinite cantor sets without real sense......our physicality is deterministic dear thinkers and in 3D.

      R Q ....C ....please use correctly the distribution of numbers inside the physicality.

      FOCUS ON RATIONALITIES IF IT IS POSSIBLE please ...the sciences must be precisce, exact !!!

      Steve

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      Dear Ray,

      Thank you for explaining your ideas. You really have looked closely into the geometrical aspect of an E8 TOE.

      Your analysis includes complex numbers, but a single E8 has strictly real representations. Lubos Motl "beat me up" over this point (and a TOE needs complex numbers to explain CP symmetry violation). As such, I don't think that a "normal" E8 is good enough, but rather we should look at an H4xH4* (where the fermions should be in a single 120-plet so we don't have 192 fermionic degrees-of-freedom) or an E8xE8*~SO(32) (which now has 240 fermionic degrees-of-freedom - enough for a 3-fold triality generational symmetry, a 4-fold quartality color symmetry, a 5-fold pentality "handedness" symmetry that I previously described (not the 4-fold symmetry that you described - After discussions with Lubos Motl (Jacques Distler hasn't commented on my ideas lately - years ago I attended Physics grad school at the University of Texas at Austin, and would have hoped that Distler would at least give a serious comment), I'm convinced that the right-handed neutrino is a problem in Lisi's model), a 2-fold up-down symmetry, and a 2-fold matter-antimatter symmetry.

      I think that SO(32)~E8xE8* is beautiful because fermions and bosons are allowed to exist in dual (reciprocal) lattices, one E8 is strictly real and is "twisted together" with the second strictly imaginary E8*, and SO(32) allows the complex representations needed for CP symmetry violation.

      I know that Lisi was worried about "ghost" states, but I think that he incorrectly defined them, and forced bosons in the same representation as fermions. My "tachyons" have a spin of 1/2 in the 8-D Gosset lattice representation, but only a 0 spin projection into our 4-D of spacetime.

      E8xE8* also solves a framing problem via the Haag-Lopuszanski-Sohnius theorem.

      Good Luck in the contest & Have Fun!

      Dr. Cosmic Ray

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      In this condition, if my posts are derleted, I stop to discuss with you.

      I said I am good and my faith is very very big, hope you also you dislike the bad, personally I eat it at my breakfast, and even if I am dead i WILL CONTINUE AGAINST THE BAD.....thus what is the problem???

      Answer anywhere........the real secret is the universal faith my friend.And a work is a work of all a life....not a short work of nothing.On that delete if you want it's not my problem.

      Now I am going to pray for you a little, perhaps you shall see spheres, real and rational.

      Steve

      Hi Steve

      I haven't deleted any of your posts. If my theory seems not realistic, its just because something in it should be related to particle physics, and their symmetry involves math, through abstract objects like Lie Algebras and Division Algebras. And from there comes extra dimensions. When we admit discrete nature of things, and that all discrete structure can reduce to a trivalent graph, dimensionality is no more a problem. Dimension is an emergent feature. I made some visualization of what you describes as spherization or a fractal sphere packing. The same in 2D instead of the 3D of reality immediately make me think of beautiful paintings from my friend Aurora. I invite you to look at them, and specially at Quantum Froth (here: http://gallery.bridgesmathart.org/single-artist?uid=Aurora ). Aurora is a nice person and do nice paintings, with a real insight.

      Youy pray has had effect: see this beautiful spheres!

      Regards

      Ray

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      :) cool that,you know I see spheres everywhere me, logic it's my theory!!! I repeat it's my theory, still one it is my theory..I am not ^parano no just a little ,lol...you can copy but please make it correctly.A little of vanity hihih i CAN UNDERSTAND YOU KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE EXITED OR FRUSTRATED ....One moment please I take my meds....I am better and less parano.Let's continue thus.

      About the Lie Algebras ....well it is just a tool as many maths tools thus what is this circus? YOU KNOW THE ALGEBRAS it exists many kinds...but if you don't respect the foundamentals, that means nothing.

      The dimensions rest in 3D at all scales...it's essential for our porportionalities, deterministics. When I see these extrapolations, it is laughing!!! That has no sense in a general point of vue as the higgs, the strings, the extradimensions,the multiverses, the hidden vraiables, the bells theorem....all that is a pure joke, the relativity is not that!!! I think really people confounds sciences fiction and rational sciences, natural and pragmatic.I can accept that the the creativity is essential, the dreams and this and that, but please don't confound the pure objectivity with a kind of subjectivity, irrational. It's not possible to accept that, the converghences are essential at my humble opinion. I beleive strongly that the computing is a main confusion about the insertion of codes and laws. The series seem lost in an ocean of personal sortings and synchro......

      About the complexs I must say you that they are under the 3D spherical distribution....where have you seen extradimensions with complexs if we consider the meter or the miles if you prefer. At my knowledge the reals and the deterministic road is logic...see a fractal with R...Moebius Euler Bernouilli Riemann......we continue a simple road in 3d distibutivity on the road of reals....do you know the numbers of Bernouilli...it's better than Lie algebras.....now you can correlate with the foundamental theorem of algebras about reals and complexs.....IF YOU SOLVE AN EQUATION OF DEGREE MORE IMPORTANT that doesn't mean extradimensions because the pure distribution of numbers is spherical and purely linked with mass and the 3 dimensions and this time constant.If you use algebras thus you must respect its foundamentals.We arrive at the approximations...what are these approximations giving reals and complexs numbers under a pure 3D distributivity.You can extrapolate with the trigonom.equations.In logic the newtonian method and the descartes method of proportionalities are very very relevant.Let's take as example the derivations f(x)''' for the approximations.All that rests in the pure reals and in the sphere.The geometry is and will be always in 3D even for all utilized algebras.The lie algebras aren't the problem, just the utilization of these algebras seem irrational.That's why they invent as you extradimensions or extra things....in fact that doesn't respect the determinism simply and the pure rationality.

      ps interesting your reaction, I am surprised, it's cool .

      Best Regards

      Steve

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