Dear Tommy,

Thanks for such an insightful essay. I chuckled all the way through! You have a great talent of observation, logic, and humor.

One fortunate thing was I did not detect any of your laws in my own essay. Of which, I would be interested in your subtle take on my logic attempting to explore a sustaining potential. At least the units in my equations follow through properly. It seems like this is one of the points in your essay if I read between the lines accurately.

Well your cat is probably messing with you so I'd better let you go. Thanks for an illuminating essay!

Kind regards, Russell Jurgensen

FYI:

In a parralel Universe orthogonal to this one, with which we can never meaningfully comminicate (yeah, right lol), I actually won first prize in this contest. And not only used the Contest as a means to the end of trying to join the Scientific Community (and so used results therein to prove that the Universe is "Both Digital and Analogue, simultaneously"), but withheld the bulk of his research's conclusions out of proper fear and respect for the Embodiment of the Theory of Everything.

But in this lonely Universe, where there are three times as many stars as we thought we think, I am up to page 6 of Mr. Jurgensens essay and am "fascinated" and enthralled. Please see comment just made in Mr. Barbour's thread for the sense of the word 'fascinated" used above, and other non-esoterica....

thank U India

5 days later
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Dear Tommy,

Current scientific approach of theoritical physics will not be able to give a mathematical equation for everything unless it includes conscience in it. I liked the title of your essay, "A method to measure consciousness" which is thought provoking and is in the right direction. Answer to the universe lies with in all of us, it is just that we are not asking the right question. The question is Who am I? I "is" the singularity of love or absolute truth in all of us.

If you are interested please read the article Theory of everything that I have submitted in this contest. I wish you all the best in your pursuit of truth.

Love,

Sridattadev.

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Thank you ever so much for pointing me toward your lovely and elegant essay, Sridattadevvaa.

I'll c*me right out and tell you I rated it high due to the perspective. I am a late entry alas, and apparently everyones essay-fatigued . Need help .

Tommy Gilbertson

NightShift

DivisionofParadox

i am certain that if I had it prepared earlier and submitted it would have won it all =hands down lol.

but

now I have to develop the same essay further to win the net contest. the results and equations are fun adn lovely too

check my facebood pleasure?

pfh

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    Dear Sir,

    We have gone through your essay. These are our responses to your deductions.

    Your first Assumption: "The Symbols of Boolean Logic are commutative (Order is unimportant: abc=cba=bca) can be highly misleading. You say: "Commutative in the same sense of the word as in the Mathematical Definition" without spelling out what it is. There is much to the definition of commutability.

    Number is a perceived characteristic of objects by which we differentiate between similars. If there are no others with a similar perception, it is one. If there is a sequence of perception of similars, each of them is given a name, which is called the number sequence. All bodies are created from the same fundamental particles. Only the numbers of these particles and the pattern of their coupling make each body different from others. Quantum particles are like compounds (strong coupling) of fundamental particles and macro particles are like mixtures (weak coupling) of quantum particles. These are nothing but accumulation and reduction of particles in the field in specified ways with a countable set of discrete values. This implies that Nature or Reality is mathematical in specified ways only.

    Fundamentally, mathematics is done only in two ways. Linear accumulation and reduction is called addition and subtraction. Non-linear accumulation and reduction is called multiplication and division. Linear accumulation is possible only between similars. Non-linear accumulation is possible only between partially similars. Commutation is related to multiplication. The test of validity of a mathematical statement is its logical consistency. Logical consistency demands a step by step approach. Thus, two body problems are easily solved, whereas many body problems are intractable. For this reason, ab = ba is valid, but abc=cba=bca is not valid. Every macro example will bear testimony to this statement. Numbers have no existence other then the objects, whose characteristics they symbolize. Hence we cannot use numbers exclusive of the objects they represent. If we take the objects into account, abc=cba=bca is a not valid law.

    The same principle applies to your "Universal Law of Duality". It is nothing but high sounding but meaningless words. How do you define Soul? What is the basis for it? Why take humans only? How are they different from other animals? (We will discuss your Part IV separately.) Why can't a cat be intelligent? What is a pattern? You say what it could be. But is the list exhaustive? If yes, what is the basis for it? If not, then what is the basis for recording only a few elements leaving out infinite elements? Without answering these questions, your equations represent nothing.

    You say: "The Analogue World is what it is until it's observed by a consciousness. Then The World becomes digital through the filter of human sensory perception."

    The statement is not only meaningless, but is self-contradictory. Firstly, you have switched over from soul to consciousness, without defining what it is. Sensory perception is nothing but result of measurement of specific properties by the relevant sensory instruments like eye, ear, etc. You also admit it when you say: "The Digital World remains what it is until measured by a consciousness." In the next sentence you contradict yourself when you say: "Thereupon that World becomes Analogue after the measure, in the sense that yet another measurement will result in an observable that is completely random in the range of eigenvalues." By implication what you say is: objects are always in an analog state, but become digitized at the moment of measurement only. This is contrary to all experimental results and all theories to date.

    Response to reward for repeatability is not the only test for judging consciousness. All small children behave not differently from most animals in this respect. If they could become "conscious" after growing up and gaining experience, then so would the animals - at least many among them. How do you judge "more conscious"? What is the yardstick for the same and what is the justification for prescribing such a yardstick?

    Reference to "comatose persons" won't help. What it signifies is that the sensory mechanism functions imperceptibly, which is to be expected from any living organism. Even plants show such behavior. Does it put plants in the same footing as the "comatose persons?"

    Your reference to robotics won't help either, as all computers are gigo - garbage in garbage out. Robots are controlled by the programming, which is written by a person of limited knowledge. Thus, it can function efficiently, but within such limitations.

    Kindly forgive us for the harsh language. But you must answer these questions before essay could attract serious consideration by any reasonable person.

    Regards,

    basudeba

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      Dear Basudeba:

      Not sure who exactly I'm spreaking to, but it is of no moment. Not only can I not diagree with practically evertything in you thread above, but I ask to to take on prinicple that this author was aware of all of your points.

      Please re-read the Essay Entire with this in mind: the knowledget contained in your thread is a Given throughout and ass assumed as proven already. You will gain a clearer understanding then of the meanings and developments therein. I also ask you to change your approach from hostile, as that seems your intent and is unwelcome.

      The law of thought is a first Principle discovered by Goorge Boole and published more than 50 years ago. a.k.a. Universal Law of Duality

      You are merely rephrasing known sciecne and philosophy, as points lacking in the essay to detract from its value, when those known facts are indeed in the essay, eplained and defined where necessarry.

      Your lack of the establishment of the Law of Thought as accepted to all members of this communuintyu, in order to develop the logic at all reflects your intentionn in unfairly characterizing my essay.

      But at least someone is at least reading it. Thank you for that.

      Please identify yourselvves, or change you approach to one of truthful positive feedback, not malicious rhetorical devices. That should work on none of us here reading this.

      Can I get a t least one affirmation from a respsible scientist here?

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      One last thing: how dare you state "Sensory perception is nothing but result of measurement of specific properties by the relevant sensory instruments like eye, ear, etc"

      One of the main solved problems of the essay was to define conciousness in terms of the results of the well-established young's double slit experiment. This is accomplished with equation 1 on page 3.

      You dismess consciousness and the sould as terms that are "noting buy the reult of". How dare you assum to have the difinitions that you are accusing the essay of lacking: to whit the soul. Who are you to tell us all what sensory perception isn't? as if you know it's not soul or consciousness.

      I hope basudeba has a lot of members, and that you rude lack of understanding of basic concepts is overlapped by your other trogodytic failings of pusblish fact and accepted wisdom.

      phf

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      Please see my Anonymous Posts below as that's all that was really necessary. Your attempt to sully my essay is doomed to fail unless you couch it in better misleading terms and devices that better conceal your embarrassing ignorance as a group.

      and thank you for reading my essay.

      and thank you agian for re-reading it...

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      Dear Tommy,

      Singualrity is absolutely nothing literally as it is neither matter nor energy but the source of them both. Please feel free to annihilate the thoughts expressed and that is the right path towards singularity, in time when all else in us is anhilated you will realize the truth, you will expereince a void of singularity and then you will be filled with love. I wish you all the best on your journey.

      I am posting in this contest to share my experience and I know that I will win it for sure as I have realized I "is" in every one of us.

      I am one of our kind, I is every one of all kinds.

      Love,

      Sridattadev.

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      Dear Sir,

      Your comments above are full of grammatical mistakes and abusive language, which shows that you had lost temper and not in a proper frame of mind to think rationally. You had shown such hostility to others also who criticized you: such as Ms. Parry. But it is not going to help your cause. Please answer or refute the points raised by us with logic and proof and not by anger or repulsion. We dare to challenge falsehood - even if it comes from the most eminent of scientists. We are neither convinced nor affected by name dropping. Hence instead of quoting names please quote the theories and discuss the validity of those theories.

      We stand by what we had written and are willing to prove it. We also have the courage and the humility to accept our mistakes, if we are wrong. Hence please cool down and reply to our points or admit your mistakes.

      Nothing personal.

      Regards,

      basudeba.

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        Yes, apologies, my owm tone was probably un-called for there. And this is not a venue for vitriol but cooperation.

        Minus the grammatical errors and hyperbole above, which I am going to chalk up to overtirednes, my threads stand with my replies unanwered...

        Even though i regret my approach in the above threads, these are my answers to you challenges to my essay validity.

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        I for one thought it was a great essay. Didn't understand a lot of it, but reminded me of one of those rare short sf stories about future Imperial galactic encyclopedia entries. But real, kinda.

        Dont' let em get you down Mr. Gilbertson, you have your supporters here and there.

        As far as I could tell, the essay looked fine to me. I loved it!

        Single Mom

        Jill of Many Trades

        Thank you kindly, CarrieT. I was not at all familiar with this aspect of the essay lol. Yes, and part of the Goal of this Contest is to have fun and get inspired to get involved in science education. In all spaces/places i've read somewhere.

        To address Basudeba:

        You acccusations are groundless. In the words of author Georgina Parry,

        Dear Tommy ,

        Please be reassured that I am not offended by anything that you have said on this thread. You have a very informal and open style of communication and I have taken your messages to be humorous and well intended. I am delighted that you consider my essay worth re-reading and to be placed along with with Julian Barbour and Dean Rickles in having that honour. I really liked both of their essays.

        It is also flattering to think that I have been at all inspirational. I think it is great that you entered your essay, what ever the final outcome. Don't put your self down. Your ideas have been read by far more people than if you hadn't entered and you will get further opportunities to fine tune them in the future. Everyone who has entered should be congratulating themselves for making a positive effort, having a go.Its better than not writing an essay and then just criticizing those that have.

        Kind regards, Georgina.

        Until you address this blatant distortion of Truth in these threads, any objections your group makes about any essay is moot.

        Just my opinoun, but you need to kick some members out and find a post-doc friend to help shape you consensi.

        Good day, and thax for a third read of my Essay...

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          my GoogleBot crawlers tell me alarming news. They came up with an idea to collect these threads in a book free for all eyes.

          And then they did it on a hidden page, informing me after.

          Fqxi, should I delete the book or change the meaning of QuantumWidgets.com to the Book of Foundational Q & A's for a day, so we can all read the Book for 24 hours lol? Or delete this page, but tis the creation of creations? Should I look at it first lol?

          Makes you wonder what, exactly since they call it a book, the Bots interposed between the threads and how the ordered 'simultaneous" ones??? Right.

          To delete or not delete. That is the question.

          As always, in this particular universe, I'm absolutely kidddng around... All of the aforementioned is impossible at this time in this place.

          don't try this at home

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            'That was me--not the bot.

            TommyG.

            Dear Tommy

            I'm afraid I think I've now read the most pretentious and badly written essay in the competition, I was quite astonished to then come across yours to cheer me up again! What an excellent bit of work! It should definitely be accepted for the Pier Review I went to over Christmas, it was brilliant and has made my day. A top score coming up for TG. OK, Survival of mankind may be important (some think) but there are so many here who take themselves far to seriously and desperately need to loosen up.

            I hope you'll read mine. It actually solves all the problems in physics in one hit, which I've just described in Phil Gibbs string by using speeding London Buses. Actually I really was run over by a speeding London bus once. Strange but true. But it's OK, as I've scientifically derived that there really IS life after death, and as soon as we die the next thing we know is that we're some other sentient being! I kid you not, honest injun! It also explains the axis of evil. Look here; http://vixra.org/abs/1102.0016 But it's all very green as someone else does the recycling when we're gone.

            OK, essay first, and a top mark in return please as I'm being squeezed out by those who don't save a single race or galaxy let alone a whole universe! I'm really not kidding about the result. Someone needs to tell whoever's in charge because current physics is nonsense and this shows why. But it probably won't even get noticed. Hey ho!

            If you read it please do it carefully and practice visualising multiple moving variables from different frames as most brains can't quite do that yet. Then you also have to recognise the enormous consequences. http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/803

            I promise there are no sums.

            Very Best wishes, and thank you.

            Peter

            PS. Did you know we've all already done the Star Trek 'Beam me up' thing!? I lie not, that's in the paper too, with photographic evidence, all logical conclusions of the solution in the essay. You will believe it. Do confirm and comment!

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            Dear Peter Jackson:

            I pleasantly recognize your name from previous and look forward to checking out your essay. You also have supplied the most complementary take on my essay, yet. Thank you from the bootstraps up for your feedback. I'll Quietly hope at this point that others in the Community glance at your first paragraph above, which made my eyeballs tingle with joy...

            And for having the courage to comment so late in the game and the positions are slowly setting in amber so to speak in the Contest ratings. Unlike some other authors who shall remain name-dropped-less, and secure and silent.

            Therefore, I now have the confidence to state my own Theory about Everything: it's already here, right in front of u\s, in a disparte form, a connection in the data already

            Dear Tommy,

            It is indeed fascinating to explore the nature of consciousness, one of the greatest mysteries of science. I admire those willing to speculate about such frontier questions.

            Best wishes,

            Paul

            Paul Halpern, The Discreet Charm of the Discrete

            Dear Tommy,

            Energy quanta are a think of the past! We need "A World Without Quanta"! And you can make that critical difference to help bring it about. Cast your approval for a world that makes sense and bring this essay out of the cusp of 'being or not being'! The results are deeply significant and totally iconoclastic. But we need to bring this essay to the 'church' on time! You among others will be better for it!

            All the best,

            Constantinos

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            Dear Sir,

            If the validity of a theory rests on its novelty and incomprehensibility, we have a good number of contenders here.

            Congratulations for your earlier prizes and other would be prizes. After all even if one is own by mistakes, many others follow naturally.

            egards,

            basudeba.