Anton; thanks for your warm greetings and very welcome comments and ranking. It's also nice to know that you've questioned "that subtle Bio" and are having some fun seeing the light!

PS: I'm planning to get into the detail of your own interesting essay over the next week.

With thanks again, and best regards; Gordon

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Dear Anton; such a warm Act I. So why do I now anticipate a chilling new experience in Act II? That is: Am I about to lose my first ever game of chess? Let's see:

Your first 4 moves -- Heisenberg, Bohr, Copenhagen, EPR -- are anticipated and fairly well countered in the Essay. As to your 5th: Unfortunately, under the rules here, there was insufficient space to enter my reply in anticipation. So here it is in response:

5. AV - Gödel !? --- 5. GW - My theory is consistent!

6. AV - Your move. --- 6. GW - My move is sealed.

With the fondest regards; Gordon

Hello Eckard, and thanks for letting me know that we have some good things in common.

As to the essence and benefit of wholistic mechanics: Concisely, its essence resides in its doubled abbreviation wm/WM, for therein lies its message of uniting the small/BIG in one unified theory. In this unifying sense, wm's essence is in the spirit of Planck, Einstein, and many others; even John Bell.

Moreover, wm is wholly classical -- at a most fundamental level -- with consequent benefits when it is critically examined: for there are no mysteries here. Yet, despite its simplicity, wm takes us deeper than conventional QM into the underlying wholly-local-realistic dynamics of that important experiment, EPRB. WM boldly declares: The quantum is classical!

As to your search -- "wholistic mechanics" -- it once, for me, registered a single site; but that's a long story. I just now received 101 google responses in 0.21 seconds; many being irrelevant, but not all. I see there a reference to my 1998/1999** article in Physics Essays. But the theory began in 1989, as mentioned in my FQXi2013 essay here; and that 1998/1999** combination is essentially subsumed in the essay before you.

So, hopefully very clearly, you can see that your input -- at any level; but preferably critically -- would be very welcome here.

Thus, if I may turn huckster for the moment: I'd suggest that we have on sale here today a ground-floor bargain-basement opportunity to be of service to the world: Quickly sink an emerging nonsense or find its valid limitations or correct its shortcomings or develop it further or just ask questions. For, with any of these activities, most here seem to be having some serious and productive fun. Which is surely no bad thing these days.

So, Eckard, me here wanting to stay concise, please don't hesitate to probe further.

With best regards; Gordon

** The double-date being essential as there were many printer-errors in the original article; it being very difficult to follow without the Erratum!

    No no - shrewdest players know exactly the right time to call

    6. AV - offer stalemate? --- 6. GW - ?

    Regards Anton

    Hi Akinbo; and thanks for the "naive" inputs, for I'm very much from the same school myself (as you've no doubt seen).

    Thus: my use of the term "Lorentz invariance" simply echoes Bell's desire to Bell's supporters. My own terminology is "a fully relativistically covariant formulation" so I'd be pleased if you could expand on your alert. Especially if you thought that there were situations where my own term failed.

    Now as to those socks. Can you access Bell's Bertlmann article and Bell's sock analogy therein? [Please let me know.] And can you be wary of that term "measurement"? For I'd like you to seriously analyse the sock case yourself; then get back to me.

    HINT-1: Do not subjugate your naivety! Consider, for example your statement above: "... Alice measures her sock." Does Alice know that it's a clean and present sock before "measurement"? Or before the post-person shoves its parcel into the letterbox?

    And what if the person who sent the sock to Alice had made it from the finest thread -- such that it's impossible to tell the inside of the sock from the outside? And what if -- in the post-person's haste to deliver, or in Alice's rough haste to unpack the parcel -- the sock was unwittingly turned inside out?

    HINT-2: For, reversing the analogy: I trust you can see that the interaction between a spin-half particle and an SGD is far more disorienting and lasting to the particle than an accidental turning-inside-out is to a special sock.

    Enjoy! And please stay in touch so that our shared naivety keeps flowing; Gordon

    WHAT! And let you be the first to ever draw with me. AND THAT on the basis that it was I that blundered! Moreover Mate: I'm naive enough to ask: In chess, how does one "offer" stalemate!?

    Anyway; here goes, to put you out of your misery: 6: GW: - MAAATE! (With no requirement for sealed move to be opened.)

    Interpret that! 1,2,3,4. Yes, that's right; you got it: me saying thanks again in the context of your earlier kind remarks!

    Thanks as always; see you at your blog for the next match soon; Gordon

    Dear Cordon!

    I was happy find your article, that I have read now! I felt immediately that you are man who strived respect and care the reality, and not the authority opinions and adopted "indisputable truths" only. I will study your work slowly (I am not not so well with English!) I just ask you open my article and try read it! I hope you will find confirmation of your approach and we will continue talk.

    Regards,

    George

    Article

      Edwin, by way of welcoming your return, here's another brief comment on Bell's mental entanglement of physical entanglement.

      In the lead-in section of equation (X) -- see my Jun. 19, 2013 @ 13:55 GMT post above -- the word "crazy" appears twice. And we understand that those "crazies" apply only to that particular Bellian context: ie, where particular sets of pristine particle-pairs have been subjected to their once-and-only-once EPRB test.

      BUT NO inherent problem would arise had we re-allocated the sets of particle-pairs and instead tested P(b,c) via A(b, L1)A(c,L1) or via A(b, L2)A(c,L2).

      Because there is NOTHING special about particular particle-pair sets: so long as we remember that each pristine particle-pair can only be EPRB-tested ONCE. Thus either of the above revised allocations would have given the correct P(b,c)!

      However, we'd then need a consequent re-allocation of pairs to test for P(a,b) or P(a,c).

      So, to save that hassle, let's do the smart thing and test for P(b,c) under the condition A(b,L3)A(c,L3); ie, from a new set of pristine pairs.

      The condition that Bell, you, and I then need satisfied in accord with our earlier agreement -- see my Jun. 19, 2013 @ 13:55 GMT post above -- is this:

      A(b,L3)A(c,L3) =?= A(a,L1)A(b,L1)A(a,L2)A(c,L2). ---(Y)

      And that satisfaction is so easily delivered: Just take the simple case of a = b!

      For (Y) then becomes:

      A(b,L3)A(c,L3) = A(b,L1)A(b,L1)A(b,L2)A(c,L2) = A(b,L2)A(c,L2); ---(Z)

      no question mark in sight. So it's QED; no problem at all, and hardly a challenge.

      But for Bell and his followers: It's a pity about the new super-restrictive boundary condition: a = b!

      So, Edwin, when you return, please make these equations your own. DO NOT be mislead by any error on my part. For if I have a minus that should be a plus, or vice versa, we're back to square zero.

      PS: In that we've employed L1, L2 and L3, we sure need a neat notation that matches the Essay and fits the approach here.

      What do you think about the simplicity of these sets?

      {(pi, p'i) -- (pn, p'n)} = p0,

      {(pn+i, p'n+i) -- (p2n, p'2n)} = p1,

      {(p2n+i, p'2n+i) -- (p3n, p'3n)} = p2, etc;

      where the shorthand code-number on RHS is the w-value of the twin-set. For all are happy members of that interesting family of twins

      {(pwn+i, p'wn+i)} = pw;

      all their co-identified lambdas readily discerned; set shorthand-identifier p1 not the same as particle p1; etc.

      Gordon

      The bigger picture is: between us two it is a draw - together we say MAATE!

      Have fun - Anton

      Dear Hai.Caohoàng,

      Thank you for friendly greeting. I hope my age is not showing in Essay? Maybe you can help? I like criticism more than praise. So if Essay has things to fix, please tell me. I am happy to fix things.

      Thank you again; Gordon

      Dear George,

      I hope we will continue to talk because there is much in your Essay that I agree with: return to realistic principles, cause-effect explanations, critical interpretation of key facts. I found no problem with your English. Like many of us, you would be helped by a good editor. I will make more comments on your Blog.

      As for the English in my Essay, let me know of any problems. I hope you find the mathematics is much easier? I have used many of the fundamental principles that you emphasise and support.

      With best regards; Gordon

      Gordon,

      Your comments make my day. Just as I've left out many arguments in my essay due to the nine page limit, you too left the above arguments out of your essay. Thus you are making excellent use of comments to flesh out the essay. I love the result you just derived -- that Bell's logic works when the settings are parallel (= anti-parallel). But of course there's never been a problem with the straightforward situation in which conservation of angular momentum leads to perfect anti-correlation.

      A very nice result!

      As Anton Zeilinger notes in "Dance of the Photons": "Once we chose the same setting for our [apparatus] ... our results are perfectly correlated."

      I also intended to ask you about the appearance of 1/n and the disappearance of rho(lambda) in your equations. At first I naively assumed that the 1/n represented equal a priori probability distribution, but then I realized it just averages the expectation value over n experiments.

      I think I know where the distribution function of hidden variables went, but would you care to explain in your own words?

      Keep on having fun.

      Edwin Eugene Klingman

      Edwin Eugene Klingman,

      I've got it: YOU'RE OUTED! Man; your chip-designing smarts has given you a NONLOCAL gizmo AND you're using on ME!

      Alas: Unfortunately for you -- me alone knowing the truth of what I'm about to write -- there'll be no endorsements here for such a nefariousness. "Turn it up!"

      1. Glad you saw that Bell's logic holds for settings parallel AND antiparallel. I was going to do the general case: a = ±b! But, wary of the math-text limitations here, thought that I'd just mention it in my next post here. So there it is.

      2. I was next going to mention this (exactly as cut from yesterday's draft)! "Have you wondered what values Bell (and his supporters) thought his rho(lambda) could take? Can they be anything other than 1/2PI if he's inhibited OR 1/4PI if he's serious? Please think about it." Glad to see that your gadget intercepted that (genuine) note-to-self! And I'd still welcome your comments (some time) as to what else Bell (and his supporters) could have seriously contemplated, given his formulation.

      3. I was also going to advance the simplicity of the discrete 1/n formulation that I use in my Essay; part of my campaign to promote fuller appreciation of the lovely simplicity of the 1/n approach. When you show high-school kids the physical-significance of 1/n, they say (in my experience) something akin to this: "Oh; ok; no problem; that's just an average over n results then!"

      4. NOTE: I'm glad that you're chasing Bell down by "parallelising" [sic] his integral approach! But, to me, that's a little more difficult to explain to high-school kids.

      5. So that should answer your perceptive comparison of 1/n versus rho(lambda).

      6. Now: Being the experimenting engineer that I am, here's a test for your bloomin' nonlocal gizmoid: What have I just decided to cut from here; for another time!?

      Until then, ciao; Gordon

      Dear Gordon,

      I gave up wanting you to stay concise. Do you hope for persuading e.g. editors of journals like PNAS that your arguments are understandably and compellingly presented?

      Good luck,

      Eckard

      Dear Eckard, please accept my sincere apologies for that earlier improper response.

      The essence and benefit of wholistic mechanics is this: It unifies quantum and classical mechanics in a wholly classical way. It is thus in the original spirit of Planck, Einstein, Bell.

      Regarding PNAS, most of the padding can be stripped out, and not every step in every equation need be given. For this essay was written with a generalist audience in mind, hoping that critical comments would help me improve my case.

      As for understanding, I can only defend by saying that each step is based on representing the physics with the aid of fundamental maths and logic; each result experimentally confirmed by others. As an engineer, I work hard to avoid mistakes; I know of none in the essay.

      Thus I would very much welcome your comments on the essay; especially given the erudition displayed in your own essay.

      As for a compelling presentation: As said above, I have much to learn on that front, and am always open to advice and guidance.

      I would trust -- given claimed refutations of Bell's theorem and CHSH-style inequalities; reproducing the correct results for CRB, GHS, GHSZ; clarifying EPR -- that there are sound (if not compelling) reasons for referees to comment helpfully and meaningfully on necessary clarifications of the theory.

      To that end, I would welcome ongoing discussions on each of our essays. I have made many notes from yours, but they are mainly for my own edification, for yours is a very good essay indeed ... as to whether "the number zero is positive or negative," I'm inclined to the view that it is non-negative.

      Hoping that you will accept my apology in the spirit that it is offered, with best regards; Gordon

      Counter-offer: WIN-WIN. GW maintains unbeaten record; AV records first win.

      Hi Gordon,

      I have two points with your submission. I do not know if the issues have been raised in the above posts, so maybe I am repeating what others have already raised. First issue; here is a quote of yours, "the discipline that should IMO dominate the space between epistemology and ontology ..." Drop the IMO text messaging english, its not good. On the whole, you also used lots of acronyms, those not used to them are confused. I was confused.

      Second point, figures 1, 2, and 3 didn't show up in your submission. I don't think this was an issue with my PDF program display software. On the whole, for your submission, I still think Einstein was right concerning EPR and the quote you attibute to Bell in Bernstein was where Bell doesn't understand EPR. The resonable thing does work.

      Jim Akerlund

      Hi Jim, and thanks for being both critical and constructive; I appreciate that.

      1. Yes; there are many acronyms, and I know first-hand how confusing that can be to any newcomer; yet how easy and convenient they are for old-hands. I live in hope that my list will become second-nature as newcomers become old-hands via engagement with my work.

      2. With "IMO" (that one was in and out several times), I fight to exclude it from many of my statements: it's like an apology for having so many negative opinions about nonsensical (IMO) aspects of modern physics; nonlocality especially. However, I find it an acceptable shortcut these days for "to my mind," "it seems to me," etc; such is the remarkable fluidity of the English language. Nevertheless, your mainstream view is understood and appreciated.

      3. The situation re the Figures is mentioned on the first page of my Essay: the 4th Note to the Reader. Being keen to obtain many critical comments (to guide future improvements), launching early, without the Figures, was a compromise. I'm confident that some of the Figures are worth waiting for ... especially if one chooses not to engage with the Essay by that means.

      4. I trust you mean that Einstein was correct with his objection to the way Podolsky had written EPR? For Einstein escapes my EPR critique via this get-out-of-jail card.

      5. Regarding Bell expressing himself: as a matter of interest, did you look at my reference, Bell (1990)? I agree with Bell that Einstein was "the rational man." But Jim, please note, as in my Essay: EPR does NOT work ... because EPR is not the "reasonable" thing.

      6. My Essay proves that Einstein's idea [of classical, causal reality] is valid. NOT EPR's unreasonable idea! It's Einstein's idea that works; Einstein's "reasonable thing" does work ... according to my understanding of his common-sense reasonableness, at least.

      With thanks again for your approach, I'm happy to welcome and discuss any other matter that you care to raise; particularly where my technical views here appear to differ somewhat from your own.

      With best regards; Gordon

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      Dear Gordon

      To be able to deduct only the best for you, first I need to know: what is the purpose you want to mention in the essay?

      Hải.Caohoàng

      Hello again Hai.Caohoàng, and thank you for your good question.

      1. The purpose of my Essay is to answer the FQXi 2013 question: "It from Bit or Bit from It?"

      In that we are responding to the creative challenge issued by John Archibald Wheeler in 1986 -- for the question is his -- I give a creative reply.

      2: To creatively demonstrate "the hard part" -- It from Bit -- I refute Bell's famous theorem to show that an important family of particles (ITs) emerges from critical analysis of Bell's information (BITs). This is a nice result because this family of particles also refutes a host of nonsensical Bell-inequalities. So that's the hard part done, so to speak.

      3. In the interests of completeness, I then deal with the commonly accepted FACT: BIT from IT. Here I show that an important BIT of information -- "our common knowledge of physical disturbance" -- emerges from the IT of our daily experiences. That is, correcting EPR by extension: Some physical properties change interactively!

      4. So, with Bell corrected as in #2, and with EPR corrected as in #3, I go on to eliminate the BOUNDARY between classical and quantum mechanics: A result in line with the hopes of many ordinary folk; as well as many famous physicists like Planck, Einstein, Born, Bell; even Wheeler. (On this interesting subject, I'll put an Addendum in a new post.)

      5. All of this brings us to an area where I trust that you and I have a strong common interest:

      I give ABSOLUTE answers!

      I do not say, "Maybe realism must go OR maybe locality must go." I say NONSENSE must go:

      For -- properly understood -- a wholly local and realistic philosophy is AFFIRMED by my work.

      AND, of equal importance: LOCAL-CAUSALITY is restored as a fundamental principle in physics.

      6. So, dear Hai.Caohoàng, hoping that I have clearly answered your nice question: I would welcome further discussions here with you to see if the following is true, in your opinion:

      I strive to put into practice your idea -- the focus of your own interesting Essay -- as captured in your very important title:

      "With each question, the absolute will only have a single correct answer!"

      With my thanks to you again for encouraging me to talk further about my Essay, please feel free to ask more questions if you would like to know more about my thinking; Gordon

      PS: In your post you have the word "deduct" while in modern English we would say "deduce." In olden times these words were very similar because they come from the Latin "deduct" -- "taken or led away" -- from the verb "deducere." If you look up "deduct" and "deduce" you will see how they have now come to be used differently. With best regards; Gordon