Hi John,
I actually think that spirits are behind some of the phenomena behind religions. A poltergeist here, some ghostly knowledge there, and suddenly it looks like God is helping you.
Hi John,
I actually think that spirits are behind some of the phenomena behind religions. A poltergeist here, some ghostly knowledge there, and suddenly it looks like God is helping you.
Hi Steve,
I'll tell you what. When I leave this world, I will personally haunt the physics community as a poltergeist.
Jason,
We live in an animate world, it's just that humanity tries to sterilize it. The most animate part is our own imagination.
Jason,
And by this, I don't mean we are all just making up everything which can't be explained in terms of physical objects bouncing off one another, When my wife died, it was a serious rip in the fabric of Karma, as the people involved would admit, but that has to do with the fact we are all part of some larger psyche and the actions of it create and define what we are. Whirlpools and waves and eddies and other such thermodynamic processes function at that level as well.
John,
"We live in an animate world, it's just that humanity tries to sterilize it. The most animate part is our own imagination. "
Amen. I'm sorry to hear about your wife. It does rip a hole in ones heart.
Jason,
She was very much the center of her own community.
She was hit while getting the mail. Then as we are all around her house(we were separated, but shared raising the daughter), two cars collided out front and knocked a pole over and there were wires all over the place. I always called her "Hurricane Frances" and then it happened that Hurricane Sandy came through and delayed the funeral for two days, as well as made the weather quite interesting. My phone decided to die and so I had to use hers for a few days, which created some consternation for those seeing her name on caller id. I had to take over her house and riding business for a few months, to get things straight. There was very much the sense that she was not pleased.
It was just one of those things.
Regards,
John
Eckard,
It seems in nature things 'are what they are'. The discrete and helical nature of field dynamics has proved a universal truth. I can't see it's 'immodest' to identify truths or applications. The helical dynamic applies to the case of a yacht rig and recognising that has made the boat detectably faster.
I have proved that experimentally beyond any doubt, demonstrating that those who dismiss the theory as nonsense are wrong. Now you have joined them. Somehow my surprise at mankind's analytical limitations reduces all the time. The troglodytes insist it's my "genius as a yachtsman" that makes it always win. it's me insisting it is NOT, which is surely the diametric opposite to 'immodesty!!' Are you now joining them? or can you see the validity of the dynamic.
The 'velocity gradient' of wind is well understood, as due to surface drag. The relative 'apparent wind' vector effect, different on each tack, is also well known, but less well understood. Discrete field dynamics directly rationalises the effect; The wind at each altitude is in a slightly different 'inertial frame' so from a single observer rest frame (the mast) the direction 'measured' is 'rotated' with altitude. Do you suggest that doesn't make sense??
Have you yet checked out Dayton Millers Mount Wilson findings? (ins 1933 paper) (see also quotes below) Do you challenge them? Or have another explanation?
Best wishes
Peter
"the indicated effect was not zero; the sensitivity of the apparatus was such that the conclusion, published in 1887, stated that the observed relative motion of the earth and aether did not exceed one-fourth of the Earth's orbital velocity. This is quite different from a null effect now so frequently imputed to this experiment by the writers on Relativity.
Miller showed that there is a systematic effect in the original M-M data indicating a speed of the Earth relative to the Aether of 8.8 km/s for the noon observations and 8.0 km/s for the evening observations. He believed that the aether was entrained ("dragged along") by the earth.' (yet he couldn't explain the altitude deviations).聽
After years of careful experimentation, Miller indeed found a systematic deviation from the null result predicted by special relativity, which greatly embarrassed Einstein and his followers. Einstein tried to explain it away as an artifact of temperature variation, but Miller had taken great care to avoid precisely that kind of error. Miller told the Cleveland聽Plain Dealer聽on January 27, 1926,
"The trouble with Professor Einstein is that he knows nothing about my results. ... He ought to give me credit for knowing that temperature differences would affect the results. He wrote to me in November suggesting this. I am not so simple as to make no allowance for temperature."
Peter,
There are abbreviations like MRT for something undoubtedly convincing: magnet resonance tomography. Engineers can easily imagine an (allegedly entangled) pair of helical waves/particles having the same sign of polarization if considered along x but opposite signs relative to r. In so far our ideas might be close to each other. However, I criticize your abbreviation DFM for several reasons. Google and Yahoo indicate: It is not even known among scientists except for a very few here at FQXi. You used it abundantly and always in connection with claims that are not compellingly formulated. Your argumentation sees allies everywhere while those who don't understand you are troglodytes.
I did not yet deal with the measurements by Dayton Miller for two reasons: The null result was confirmed with numerous more accurate measurements, and I found out that it was to be expected if ideally empty space is understood not as a medium but as distances.
I also maintain that there might be a basic flaw to be found in all interpretations of experiments from which the paradoxical aspects of QM were derived. Why are you not interested in the logical flaws concerning infinite numbers, ict, and ih?
Eckard
Happy Birthday America! I am so glad I live here and not some atheist-Communist crap hole.
Eckard,
"..there might be a basic flaw to be found in all interpretations of experiments from which the paradoxical aspects of QM were derived."
I agree. The flaw is what I've identified. It's known that modulator magnetic field orientation is rotated with 'setting'. What is NOT accepted is that the field electron orientation modulates the 'photon' orientation. The problem is that as the 'up'/'down' is random, reversing a whole set would NOT change any statistical results!
If we accept the particles ARE rotated, then all the spooky nonsense goes away. Bell actually found that himself (p.146) but couldn't work out how the 'intermediate' distributions could be found so declared; "No. It cannot be done." The orbital velocity distribution with latitude in my essay now shows it CAN be done. But the problem seems to be more about 'indoctrination'. The geometry was a simpler task.
I know I'll get, and expect, no credit. If I'm mentioned at all it'd be as the guy who couldn't explain the obvious workings of nature to all but a few! I have to plead guilty in advance. And I don't at all mind spelling out 'discrete field model' each time for you if you prefer Eckard. I'll otherwise try to use convention.
I note with interest your reference to; 'confirmed null results', which are new to me. I'm only familiar with the very many non 'null' ones (including M&M) or the few clearly inapplicable or wrongly interpreted. I'm surprised but very interested in studying them. Do please post links. Millers results have been well confirmed (but his spat with Einstein led to neglect) and all astronomical analysis including the barycentric ecliptic plane transition supports them.
Atmospheric refraction is now well established and quantified precisely at all declinations. The refraction process doesn't need any 'ether' to work. Certainly there is real; 'distance' but clearly the state of motion of scattering particles in the solar system relates to the suns rest frame, yet those around Earth relate to Earth's. (We also know from probes that beyond the ionosphere signal speed is c in the Sun's frame, not ours). Are you suggesting otherwise?!
I agree about numbers, discussing what I found as the critical cases in my 2013 essay. Bell predicted that 'solving' his theorem/QM wasn't possible from the front but may be 'from the back'. That falls in with the 'picture' I see of the crowd trying to enter the great 'vault' of natures secrets. I went round the back and found a loose panel. The contents I can reach are entirely paradox free, clear and beautiful. But no amount of calling to those at the front will distract each from his own beliefs long enough to come around and look properly.
I'm now relaxed about it, and still suggest; 'perhaps by 2020'. I don't call all "those who don't understand" troglodytes (I do my best to help) but I do those who refuse to try as they're too steeped in the "decades of indoctrination" referred by Goldstein, or solely on their own views. We must each follow our path, but many seem to go that way!
Best wishes
Peter
Free for All;
The peace in belief
in God when awake
is believing
you do while asleep.
In this the Quants
are right.
It's not that God
never throws dice,
he's down on one knee
every night,
he just always loads
the die.
jrc
Pete,
"What is NOT accepted is that the field electron orientation modulates the photon orientation."
As Tom and I had touched on some while back, this lack of correlation is a result of the ad hoc nature of Bohr's 'quantum leap' that theoretically occurs across the orbitals instantaneously, which not only violates the 'c' postulate accepted in all else in QM, but isolates artificially the emission source from the photonic emission wave characteristics. And that isolation then extends mathematically to emission from any free electron. This, I think, is the original flaw in Quantum Mechanics.
While I follow your arguments to some extent, I question your reliance on all interactions being exclusively 'absorption : re-emission' events rather than there being a quantum probability that some will be that, while others will be 'near-miss' field effect events. And I would imagine as an electrical engineer, this confuses Eckard from delving too deeply into your other arguments. It is a stumbling block if one accepts the hypothesis that the reason we have Quantum Probabilities is because a free rest mass IS a Unified Field for which science has yet to devise an accepted, mathematically complete theoretical description. Personally, I think Einstein missed the boat in not giving GR it's own legs and going back to treating gravity as a force in determining what portion of energy in a unified field will exhibit only gravitational characteristics. There is no known causal relationship for the Gravitational Constant, and any use of differential calculus introduces infinitesimals, so it perhaps is not surprising that singularities and Big Bangs result from GR without an ad hoc Cosmological Constant.
Live long and progress, jrc
John C,
Maybe gravity isn't its own force, but a loss of volume/increasing density of the field, due to a spectrum of other relations and forces? A simple observation that light/radiation expands, while mass contracts. Do we look for the force causing light to expand out? Not really. It's just the consequence of released energy. As with the structure of mass, there are a range of processes going on, from magnetism to structural ordering, which condense it to a smaller volume. Could it be that gravity is not simply just a composite of these effects, but all of them working together in an overall relation?
So then the effective way to model it is as the space itself shrinking.
Regards,
John M
Which also goes to a point I was making below; Does light really travel as a photon, or is that an affect of its absorption and thus an initial stage of this contraction process?
Regards,
JM
J.C.
J.M asked the right question; "Does light really travel as a photon".
Does Eckard really think it does? If it did then we wouldn't just have "near misses", at EPR ranges it's be like hitting a speck of dust with a scatter gun at half a mile!
The signal expands as a wavefront, as the nonlinear Schrodinger (NLS) equation and as we know from coherent forward scattering (CFS) and Huygens Construction, the staples of optics and photonics etc. well proven experimentally.
That explains why there are so many reliable hits, even at long range. We COULD say there are mainly 'near misses' because most of the wavefront misses the electrons of course! But the wavefront can't get past without part being absorbed.
That all also goes back to JD Jackson, the bible of electrodynamics, and 'extinction distances' dependent on medium density. It's s tricky to envisage a wavefront having spin, but it actually has a whole recursive SET of spins! at all scales. It seems that each electron in the detector field will absorb some of the (harmonic scale) spin and conserve the quanta (spin) while rotating it's axis.
The diffuse wavefron energy explains why the EM field electron is the massively dominant partner in propagation of EM energy, which completes the full DFM unification dynamic as each one re-emits at c in it's OWN rest frame, so implementing local CSL. (SR) One very simple mechanism to unify all physics!
(Ooops, forgot GR; The condensate has a local paucity of energy while the particle exists, so a 'density gradient', to obey conservation law).
Does any of that sound too speculative or silly? Nice to have somebody else to peek into the back of the vault with. Do you reckon we could get that panel off and share the contents all around a bit? That WOULD be progress!
Best wishes
Peter
Pete & John M.
"it's like hitting a speck of dust with a scatter gun"
Thanks, your model is taking more shape in my understanding now. I would agree that 'part' of the expanding wavefront interacts with the field in a near miss and that the scenario is similar to nuclear cross section. Sometimes it hits spot on!
But what is the 'photon'? Well, I would say it definitely is not a spherical wave. And the terminology must be qualified lest we confuse one second worth of emission as the single 'photon'. It really is not difficult to envisage physical rotation in the expanding wavefront if we look at a helical model of OAM being the constancy of magnetic influence that would be detectable by instruments. Electrostatic influence is a 'c' proportion greater in the same point charge as determined by Maxwell. So right or left hand twist is as you say, observer dependent, but in relation to one another polarity would be dependent on the direction of rotation but arbitrarily assigned as Franklin had done. Following this line of reason would mean that the inertial volume of a quanta of emission is a linear phenomenon and the particle form observed in the photo electric effect is the greatest electrostatic influence while the wavefront in the helical linear projection is an expansion from the electrostatic to the minimum detectable magnetic influence that would describe the real physical cross section of the helix. It is simply that an emission source might radiate photonic helical emissions omnidirectionally which would then register as a single spherical wave.
The question then becomes; how does the linear quanta projection evolve in a physical volume configuration from an excited electron mass? Wouldn't wavelength be dependent on the real time it takes for a CONTINUOUS flow of energy to emerge from the electron?
And of course, if E=mc^2, what part of that energy exists at a density which could be said to be the 'hard' core of a free rest mass?
I subscribe to a notion that the behavior of energy in a discrete mass quantity will transmit primary force effects such that a greater density will exhibit all those effects of lesser densities but not vice-versa.
Do we agree that Quantum probabilities are dependent on there being discrete fields that may assume either an EM physical configuration self limiting to the Planck Quanta per wavelength, or a relative rest mass configuration limited to an upper bound that may not exceed that of the largest observed isotopic mass?
And... onward through the fog! jrc
Peter J,
Engineers like me know that any standing wave can be interpreted as two superimposed waves that propagate in opposite direction, and vice versa. Obviously, there are no strictly speaking standing waves in reality but an average over many cycles rather than infinitely much of cycles.
Also, a linear polarized transverse wave can be interpreted as superposition of a clockwise and an anti-clockwise spinning wave, and vice versa, cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_polarization
Can polarization be attributed to particles? If so, why wasn't spinning explained accordingly? Is this question at the hearth of your objection?
Eckard
Peter, John C, Eckard,
Isn't light as a wave essentially holographic and the quantization more a function of the reception, so that the issues of entanglement/non-locality are essentially the same properties which allow two people in different directions to observe the same event? A function of the information being carried.
Then gravity as a measure of this collapsing wave, such that why gravity waves can't be detected is because they are the information being carried by light and its reception as a contraction of the energy?
Regards,
John M
John,
"Wouldn't wavelength be dependent on the real time it takes for a CONTINUOUS flow of energy to emerge from the electron?"
Yes, or rather a 'cycle', which the propagates at c wrt each electrons centre of mass rest frame.
The physical analogy of the NLS equation (which has a 'spread function') is perhaps spherical but the emission energy is highly FOCUSSED on the same axis as the charge (plasma doesn't refract except 'kinetically' if moving sideways during the process, which explains 'kinetic reverse refraction' and 'stellar aberration'.
Many of these are propagating from many electrons. The 'energy is only requantised at constructive interference 'peaks' or where impacting matter (another electron, which may be at a 'refractive plane').
The above is really as old as the hills, certainly the Huygens/Fresnel principle (HFP) and Huygens Construction, but QED also has a valid description of the distribution via sum-over-paths. In answer to your other questions and descriptions, I don't know.
I recognised a few snippets but I'm not sure if what they describe is close enough to the perception I uses. Certainly the Planck limit plays it's roles in defining min wavelength gamma and so the LT. I really don't like speculating so only wish to go so far as what's both needed and consistent with a coherent bigger picture.
We need to shine some more light on it. Got a torch?
lol
Peter
JBM,
"..the quantization more a function of the reception". I agree that, but; "entanglement/non-locality" need to do far more. By current convention on current assumptions; If Alice changes her detector switch Bob's finding a light year away must instantly CHANGE! What discrete field dynamics (DFM) now shows is which precise parts of which 'hidden' assumptions are wrong and how the effect found are produced if changed.
In a nutshell(ish!) the new DFM assumptions include;
1. 'Particle' spin propagates on the spin axis (causal wavefront 'normal') at c.
2. Electron filter/modulator field direction modulates the 'particle' spin.
3. The spin direction found is then RELATIVE to the detector spin direction.
4. Orbital angular momentum (OAM) changes with 'latitude' by the cosine of the angle from the equatorial plane to that latitude.
5. 'Measurement' is exchange of OAM on physical interaction at any (tangent) point on that 'line of latitude'.
6. As BOTH parties(cles) are spinning, the relative angles of BOTH are compared and the cosine squared to produce the quantum correlation, which is then also Malus's Law.
That works (Bell was frustratingly close on p146) but only deals with one quantum 'gauge', so at higher orders (the smaller spin helix of the 'twine' making up the 'string') uncertainty ('probabilism') remains so it does not prove nature is ultimately deterministic. However the very same o process modulates emission speed to local c, so the STR can use 'absolute' time and so be unified with QM. (inertial systems are give spatial constraints. (Much of the rest I've been able to reach so far is in the essays).
A lot to follow I know. Do please, all, let me know if you can make coherent sense of it, or which bits not.
Many Thanks. Best wishes
Peter