Ulla, What were the simulations by Joseph (Kover?)? I like doing computer simulations myself and am always interested to hear what other people have tried.

Ulla, Hi, its good to see you here.

I think when Schrodinger wrote his book about life, many physicists thought he had gone mad, but now his ideas about information in biology are a hot topic. Very few people have the originality of thought to be able to jump so far ahead of the crowd. These ideas can only get more important as technology begins to impact on them.

Thanks for a wondereful essay.

    Peter, I Think your vote did not arrive :)

    I try to find time to read your essay now. I do a work where stackings are important.

    Thanks Phil.

    I have some years ago looked at Schrödingers view on negentropy and it did not make sense. Negentropy in biology is something much more fantastic than just seen as opposite to entropy. I will certainly come back to this later.

    But now his aperiodic Crystals seems very up to date, but we shall not limit them to chromosomes. There are so much in biology that is asymmetric and chiral so it must be some bigger thought behind. It is like molecules in biology are skewed with new properties, so left and right forms have very different properties. In biology we talk of niches, it looks like a way to avoid competition...very much like information, or maybe raw 'consciousness'.

    Also the low energy limits are interesting. Like the symmetries were emergent, and here I Think biology can be a template for physicists. But this must be much more explored Before I can say much.

    Thanks. Don't forget to vote :) I need them...

    No good situation for me, maybe too much offending heading? I thought it was a good one...

    Ulla.

    I must add Susskinds new paper, he should read my eassy...

    He talks of - a fundamental law of quantum mechanics---the tendency for complexity to grow. - https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.01198v1

    To understand GR we must understand QM, I have said some time now...

    There are a number of correspondences between quantum mechanics and gravity that are suggestive of a much deeper connection than we might have imagined several years ago [1]. ER=EPR is one [2], and the relation between the generic growth of quantum complexity and the expansion of space behind the horizons of black holes is another [3]. There are more that I will publish in a series of short notes. In this rst note I will point out a relation between ordinary gravitational attraction and the general properties of quantum chaos.

    Ye, stay alert on Susskind...

    I must add Susskinds new paper, he should read my eassy...

    He talks of - a fundamental law of quantum mechanics---the tendency for complexity to grow. - https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.01198v1

    To understand GR we must understand QM, I have said some time now...

    There are a number of correspondences between quantum mechanics and gravity that are suggestive of a much deeper connection than we might have imagined several years ago [1]. ER=EPR is one [2], and the relation between the generic growth of quantum complexity and the expansion of space behind the horizons of black holes is another [3]. There are more that I will publish in a series of short notes. In this rst note I will point out a relation between ordinary gravitational attraction and the general properties of quantum chaos.

    Ye, stay alert on Susskind...

    5 days later

    Hello Ulla,

    Happy to see your essay,congratulations for your essay relavant about the life.

    Best Regards

      One add more.

      http://members.cbio.mines-paristech.fr/~jvert/svn/bibli/local/Bhalla1999Emergent.pdf

      it has become increasingly clear that signaling pathways interact with one another and the final biological response is shaped by interaction between pathways....

      In biological systems, signal transmission occurs mostly by two mechanisms:

      (i) protein-protein interactions and enzymatic reactions such as protein phosphorylation and dephosphorylation

      (ii) or protein degradation or production of intracellular messengers.

      Enzymes as 'almost living' substartes interest, also learning and memory functions.... I start thinking of AI... and 'lifting mechanisms'.

      The bifurcation point T is important because it defines threshold stimulation. Also type of feedback, 'learning' and 'memory', properties that emerge in the reactions etc.

      Science 283, 381 (1999);

      Upinder S. Bhalla and Ravi Iyengar

      Emergent Properties of Networks of Biological Signaling Pathways

      Thanks.

      What is 'negentropy' has been a headache of mine.

      Now I Think negentropy must be referred to quantum states and their information content as 'possibilities'. As instance in the ER=EPR analogy it is used, but not the Word negentropy, because it is a controversy yet.

      There pure states are defined by no difference in entropy, but it also contains the 'codes' for 'reality' and it gives a 'compactification' through the error correction, or state function reduction, as

      "the Ryu-Takayanagi formula and the negativity of tripartite information... p 19.

      For a general (mixed) tripartite quantum state, I_3 can take any real value. It is zero, though, for any tripartite pure state of ABC, since in that case SABC = 0 and e.g. regions A and BC, being complementary, have the same entropy and therefore make cancelling contributions to I_3."

      This means we have a pure quantum state. No thermodynamics? Or no difference between entropy - negentropy? We have a state with all possibilities, no state function reduction.

      Or said another way, no error correction yet. What cause the error correction here? It is the 3-surface of mixed states...

      Preskill et co.: "Thus, for a holographic state and for any partition of the boundary into four regions A;B;C;D; nonzero contributions to I_3(A;B;C) can arise only from the distilled multipartite states trapped in residual regions."

      Distilled = condensed, I think. What enters the eq.? Time? (that is also speed?)They think QG?

      Negativity is from the RT-formula, they say.

      "For holographic states and codes, the non-positivity of I_3 is not ensured in general, because of the potential (small) violations of the RT formula. In some special cases, though, RT holds exactly, and the non-positivity of I_3 then follows."

      the potential (small) violations of the RT formula - is the state function reduction, I Think.

      https://arxiv.org/pdf/1503.06237.pdf

      http://tgdtheory.fi/public_html/articles/tensornet.pdf

      P. Hayden, M. Headrick, and A. Maloney, Holographic mutual information is

      monogamous, Phys. Rev. D 87 (2013) 046003.

      L. Susskind and E. Witten, The Holographic bound in anti-de Sitter space,

      hep-th/9805114.

      Ulla,

      Thanks for your post. I confirm I hadn't yet rated it, I've been reading & modulating, but no need to modulate your prov score so should help you.

      Shame you didn't understand parts of mine; Lets try a simple basis;

      If Alice and Bob get sent polar opposites but have a dial which can switch them independently, we don't need spooky action at a distance! (I'm sure you got the rest ok, just rotations on all 3 spherical axes, and Maxwell's TWO pairs of inverse Cos momentum distributions on a sphere surface - at any rad). Any better?

      Hang on tight, if Chandra Roychoudhuri can mass produce his coffins it seems we may be in for a major paradigm change in physics in just 3 or 4 eons!

      Very best.

      Peter

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        Thanks :)

        I have had your file open the whole day...as also some other Days...

        The sub-quantum' or root function is beginning to see light. It is the monopole as instance, as a bending loop, rotated. The most surprising (or not surprising at all?) is it is an solitonic expansive state. What cause the expansion? Maybe just the vanishing complexity? It must go into i-World, as I don't understand the 'annihilation' aspect at all...

        "the Higgs process or fermion pair production 'popping up' from nowhere' implies a smaller perhaps more fundamental 'sub quantum' scale of rotations as a 'sub-ether'. but we principally constrain ourselves to the testable realm and scale of condensed matter. This domain limit is also the lower end of electromagnetic (EM) coupling."

        This is what I talk of too. But the scenario you ask for is beyond this, and reversed actually, see the finnish scientist as instance the links here https://people.aalto.fi/index.html?profilepage=isfor#!vladimir.eltsov

        There is btw. very Little discussion about a non-Higgsian material emergence today.

        About motion I would suggest harmonic oscillation as one good candidate to explore in GR.

        https://www.google.fi/search?q=orbital+angular+momentum+Bloch+sphere&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjw4Z7usLDZAhVJsKQKHQUTBSsQBQgkKAA&biw=1280&bih=855#

        On the vector model of angular momentum, Peter Saari, 2016 fig 2. you see if you have it on a Bloch sphere, you get Three rotations.... hope you can open it.

        The problem with Bob and Alice is the assupmption the entanglement is broken by gravity, but at the same time gravity cannot break it otherwise.... maybe an informational theoretic approach would be fine? The head/tail approach is like coin flipping and has Little information, you need something more complex, and I have thought a bit about the Three-states. Can they be entangled? They should?

        Also amplitude is an important factor, at least in the semiconductors. It can maybe give some flip-flopping?

        I see you have the same problem as me, too Little space, but we do as well as we can. Your text reminds me of someone, Mr S.

        Thanks, it would be interesting to talk more with you.

        Ulla Mattfolk.

        I put this also on your wall.

        Ulla,

        Thanks -(copied from mine)

        Not found Sari yet, but others, and also the 'Poincare Sphere' "complex superposition of two orthogonal polarisation states". So there all along!

        https://books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=1107006341

        Did you see my last years finalist essay? The two figs explain it simply.

        (PLUS the cognative dissonance most accredited physicis can't seem to overcome so halting any advancement!, and do look at & comment on my feedback loop/ quantum switch cognition derivation.)

        http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2755

        very best

        Peter

        ps RNA mutation also seems to emerge - in that 2017 essay.

        Ulla has presented a large topic in a small space, showing that conventional science is incomplete concerning life and conscious thought, while giving some possibilities about what the missing parts might contain. The essay shows originality and a the results of a long study on the leading edge of small scale physics and biology as they interact together.

          In terminology non-commuting characters usually means there is no way to measure or specify all of the properties at the same time.

            Thanks Jerry.

            It was truly a mare to get it compressed so much, every possible extra Word is removed.

            I wanted to show on a possible way out of the 'conciousness-dilemma', and now I also have began to understand the state function reduction in a new way, which is good. The measurement problem and uncertainty is a mess today.

            Once I used to be a very mainstream biologist. I am also very Visual, need Concrete frames, to stand on Earth.

            Thanks Jerry for all discussions.

            Ulla.

            Thanks again.

            Ye, the non-commuting charachters are very important. Gödel is often referred to in this relation. It also shows on the problems we have with math.

            If we Think of Life it is maybe one reason why it has been thought to be an 'epiphenomena'. It is so hard to define, and the common criterias are far from enough. What is mind? How can we interact? How can we make progressive thoughts, meditate, get 'enlighted'? Maybe we have strings into universe as the schamans thought, and we are their endpoints? We cannot know. But the thought is there, as we have so hard to make conscious Machines, emotional Machines. What is consciousness really? It is evident it is not only an information processing, but it need 'jumps' in different frames, and recognition of the frames.

            As instance now I research the triqubit state, the entanglement into a tripartite frame. It must contain so much more information than a simple dual entanglement. Also the question about complexity as a quantum charachter is intesresting, as a 'negentropic' frame.

            Ulla.

            Dear Marianne Ulla Mattfolk, out of your very busy reasoning essay I have chosen to discuss the following phrase:

            The space is still big, but smaller and moresystematized. Statistics is information. We are forced to appeal to statistical methods..... Think of space and time as separate axes...... Many matter properties come only by stacking...

            I here urge researchers to remember the principle of identity of space and matter Descartes and developed further his theory in the light of modern achievements in physics. According to Descartes matter is space and space is matter that moves. We are part of the space, which for Descartes is a matter. No more dualism between matter and space, between mind and body. Consciousness arises when a body appears the ability to create in space the image of the external world and to remember him for discernment and judgment. In the center of this image of the external world is the body that created it and which is actively positioning itself to prolong its existence.

            Space contains instructions on how it should move and create a real world. Time is a synonym for universal movement. The properties of the space depend on the packaging of its moving parts.

            Look at my essay, FQXi Fundamental in New Cartesian Physics by Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich Where I showed how radically the physics can change if it follows the principle of identity of space and matter of Descartes. I hope you will not leave without attention to this principle and, as a physicist well appreciate New Cartesian Physics for his radicalism

            Sincerely, Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich.

              Dear Ulla,

              I highly appreciate your well-written essay in an effort to understand.

              I hope that my modest achievements can be information for reflection for you.

              Vladimir Fedorov

              https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3080