The Noise of Gravitons

Even light can be seen as it was at rest. Then retarded light gets very interesting.

Also remember that some noise comes from gravity itself, the fact that we sit in a gravity well here on Earth. Gravity is not gravitation. Gravitational waves are also plane waves, like the em-waves, Lie algebras etc..

There is a long list of different kinds of noises in the LIGO measurement.

If we think chaos, then the Planck measurement of polarizations in different modes get interesting.

Ulla.

Noise is also a carrier in physics. This makes at least me to think about the ether concept, and the finding of gravitational waves may also be seen as a proof for ether. I can be wrong of course...

Remember that the M&M experiment looks ridiculous in the light of its sister analog LIGO that indeed found this difference. M&M does so not prove anything at all because it simply could not do it. It was too small.

Ulla.

Ulla , see the relevance of Kaluza Klein decomposition for the dimensional parts , see the relevance of equatioons superimposed with the 3 main spacetimes , see that the velocities also can be analysed for these particles and that the gravitons can appear if we consider the links with the antimatter and the links with the cold, the modes become relevant for the series finite of 3D spheres , the vacuum space and the two fuels, the mass also can analysed and we can differenciate the GR and the other spacetimes, the convergences with the barnes also can appear and so the conjecture that I explained. The fields, the motions, the rotations and the distributions thermodynamical also become relevant like the rankings of all the properties like the charges, spin, mass, volumes, ....they oscillate these spheres and are in motion....

Newton used the big G like Einstein used the big G, but are they really the same thing?

Also chaos is linked to entanglement and thermodynamics.

The need for a scalar in the standard model is in my mind the secret behind the unification of GR and QM. Higgs did not do the job and it is so far the only scalar we have.

Einstein thought of cylindrical waves as radiation, and they would be linked to the vacuum, hence also to Planck scale, so we could get a scalar all the way from there? This scalar would be unrotated, it only oscillate between time and space as a polarization. It can have different sizes then? It looks more like a phenomenon than an actual particle...

Note that in vacuum the gravitational radiation vanish. But due to its non-locality it still works somehow. Here I think of the non-locality we get with tensgreity.... it only works at the poles. This fits well with a resting wave?

Ulla.

Stewe Agnew.

Graviton noise seems to be that perturbation and yet Science does not yet realize that this is actually the basis of physical reality.

You want to do the polarization between the waves and noise? But also the waves becomes noise by time. I am not sure about this approach. Maybe you think of the spin2 particle, which indeed looks very chaotical. For waves it is a sandwich perturbation? https://www.degruyter.com/view/journals/zna/31/12/article-p1664.xml?language=en

Gravitation is not perturbed, because it is not renormalized, because we are immensed in it, but actually chaos shows how we can understand the renormalization also.

Can you give us some links here?

Ulla.

The real problem seems to conclude that the gravitational waves and the gravitons are linked, like if they were the quanta of gravitational waves, so they are photons oscillating with different modes and they try to unify so the GR and the QM, but it seems not our foundamental reality, the perturbations of wavefunctions are not the problem, they are just gravitational waves, waves simply photonic due to movements of cosmological objects, the quantum gravitation is for me a different reasoning. We need really to unify not only the GR and the QM but all our unknowns, and the DE and DM seem essential at all scales.

You know in studying and reading many papers of the best thinkers and in reading the conclusions of the LHC or the Nasa or others, they conclude that it lacks something to superimpose to reach this quantum gravitation, all the best mathematicians and universities and thinkers have tried since more than 20 years and even in computing mathematical tools, it lacks something to superimpose and there are hidden variables, if we cannot renormalise and quantify there are reasons, the GR and QM cannot be unified in considering only this relativistic spacetime, we need really to understand these unknowns , the antimatter , the DM, the DE and we must unfify all in superimposing these unknowns and find the good partition, if not we shall trun still in round and we shall have just assumptions. It lacks really pieces to superimpose to our GR and this standard kmodel to find the real balances and the real matter energy transformations. The GR is correct of course for our spacetome photonic, it is just that it is not only the one peice of our universal reality, the thinkers can tell all what they want, the relativity is not sufficient to explain these deep unknowns.

It is indeed interesting that gravitation is too high, so we get these dark sides.

I also think of Einsteins efforts to understand the quantum world, even if he was one of its founders. He thought there is something more to it. Can it be the chaos that still was not found when he lived? Or understood. It indeed looks very Machian to me.

Ulla.

Indeed , it is there that it becomes relevant to search these hidden varaibles and secrets superimposed, einstein indeed told it, he was not sure that the GR and these photons are the primordial essence, we must add several things to all this, if not we shall explain these unknowns at my humble opinion.

Let s consider the 3 main spacetimes , it is an assumption of course and let s consider the finite primoridal series of 3D spheres coded, one for the space vacuum the DE, the main codes and the two fuels the photons for the thermodynamics , heat and electronagnetism and the cold dark matter for the gravitation and the cold like a balance correlated also with antimatter. Let s consider so this GR for the luminiferous spacetime of photons and let s consider the einstein fields equations and the tensors of ricci and of einstein. Now let s superimpose 3E8 in considering these finite series instead of points or strings, we have many combinations because these series have oddly like the cosmological number of spheres that I have approximatelly calculated the dirac large number, the volumes decreasing fron the central main sphere, so the space disappears implying a superfluidity, Now let s so superimpose these 3 main spacetimes and let s try to find the perturbations in all this with the diensions and correlations with the branes in considering the vacuun energetical and the cold dark matter , the sense of rotations of two fuels become intriguing for the charges and the antimatter. We can even consider the hopf fibrations maybe on surfaces for the quasiparticles also. The aim so is to find the interactions and to find the perturbations in a different logic than just for our GR , in considering this cold dark matter , we have hidden variables because this matter is also encoded in nuclei. We consider the branes and the apertubations and the tensors for the GR but we superimpose the others spacetimes and we must find others tensors to reach this gravitation, if the gravitation is the main chief orchestra, so the distances in our nuclei considering the main codes and this cold dark matter encoded permit to respect the newtonian mechanics, and for this cosmological scale, we know that this matter non baryonic balances and plays a gravitational force on galaxies for thier motions. That becomes very intriguing in consdiering these 3 main spacetimes superimposed , the tensors of the GR maybe are affected I don t know by these others , and if not, we must find their real properties , there is like a bridge between this GR and the others spacetimes, and they interact probably but what is really these interactions with their own tensors and properties, the fields are different. The branes and dimensions and these spheres can be utilised but in considering a different logic like equilibriums between these two fuels and more this vacuum having the main codes, see that the evolution can be considered and that we can even extrapolate the futur of this universe and the spherisation evolution, even the consciousness probably. That implies even a maximum spherical volume and a contraction also after if this mass increases due to this evolution towards the points of equilibriums, that becomes intriguing philosophically speaking. But it is an other stroty. The fact to utilise these 3E8 maybe and the 3D finite series of Spheres become a key of evolution and a key to explain the unknowns, the universe seems simple generally, only the details of couplings and interactions of exchanges are complex due to the number of these series, all is in contact due to this superfluidity and it seems that we have like a supermatter at this central cosmological sphere maybe and that the series sent are simply informations and coded of distributions fractalised of this supermatter, the energy matter transformations can be better understood.

Hi Steve, I know indeed about these methods correlated with the GR , in fact they try like I told to unify this QM and GR and many have tried like this beautiful paper of Wilczek, this paper is for me like I said about the gravitational waves and the noises correlated , but we must recognise that it is an assumption , first of all we have not found these gravitons and secondly we cannot affrim that this road is the good one to unify this QM and the spacetime.My ideas also are assumptions and I don t affrim them but between us , see that it is maybe a road to explain this quantum gravitation, I insist on the fact that the majority consider only these photons like the primoridal essence and that this GR is the only one piece of pur universal puzzle, we must recognise steve that we cannot affirm, we can tell all what we want, it is a fact , and frankly I doubt that we have only this GR at our cosmological scale to explain the things and that our standard model also is only made of encoded photons if I can say oscillating differently. The interferometry here was to prove the gravitational waves and never the gravitons, and also even the LHC or the Nasa and many accept that the gravitons are maybe not the quanta of gravitational waves, I just tell this, we cannot be sure even with the noises and the partition, it is a beautiful paper for me to rank all the noises of gravitational waves but we cannot tell that it is the noise of gravitons. So the gravitational waves phase noise yes ,m gravitons phase noises, I don t agree, I like this thinker Wilczek he is relevant but I am sure that himself he don t affrim , he tries like all to find them and prove them these gravitons, his paper is an assumption .At this moment this quantum gravitation has not been proved simply, we must recognise this,Regards

Dear Steve, imagine if My assumption superimposing these spacetimes is correct to reach the scales for this quantum gravitation and find their interactions and properties, the GR is really for me just a photonic spacetime and it is not our only one truth. The planck scale is an extrapolation and imagine if my reasoning is on the good road considering these coded 3D spheres at this planck scale and that we have these finite coded series of spheres and the 3 spacetimes superimposed . Imagine the possibilities respecting the lagrangian and Hamiltonian and a deeper interpretation of fields with the non commutativity. The values of Energy can be ranked with many properties of these series. The works of Dirac and Feynman can be improved in superimposing these spacetimes and our unknowns can be extyrapolated. We can in fact renormalise the objects, these spheres and their motions in this superfluidity of 3 aethers in a simplistic analysis. It is like a general hydrodynamics to explain the gravitational fields and electromagnetic ones and this vacuum also energetical considering the main codes. The derivatives and intergrations can be generalised with these series.The symmetries, the graphs , the renormalisations , this and that can appear at my humble opinion . We have many hidden variables and an incredible complexity of combinations. The morphisms and this non commutative spherical geometry is I can say become an universal key for me , we can utilise the products correctly with these primoridal series.Even the spectral actions become more complex and detailed with these two other spacetimes and the fields can appear with a deeper gravitational logic and our unknowns can be unified. I beleive strongly that this GR and our standard model need to consider this deeper logic of encodings and these spacetimes superimposed to really unigy the whole. Even the evolution appears , it is the meaning of my theory in fact, this spherisation optimisation of the universal sphere or furture sphere. The electronagntism and these photons are just a step but not the truth. See that the zeta Riemann function coulb be utilised in this non commutative reasoning linking the whole and these 3d finite series of Spheres. The topologies, geometries, matters ,and properties and fields and energies can be ranked at my opinion but the complexity is enormous in details. But several mathematical relevant tools superimposed can permit to make the good universal partition. All is a question of good rankings of groups simply and their interactions , many truths could appear beyond our actual standard model and GR. The fractalisations and extrapolations of dimensions and convergences with branes also can help because they oscillate and are in motion rotations also these finite series of 3D spheres in this superfluidity of 32 main spacetimes. A kind of universal spherical geometrical algebra appears even but it is too much complex for us at this moment and that implies limitations unfortunally.

3 main spacetimes, not 32 sorry, I write too quickly without rereading, regards

Dr. Agnew,

The paper takes off immediately from a premise that detection of a massless helicity-two particle being evidence of the exitance of gravitons. Do you concur with that and in what regard to 'matter, action &quantum phase'. Also is a helicity-two particle meant by definition to be a 4pi rotation of quantum spin states? thanx j

there is no proof John simply, nor about the gravitons proved nor about the fact that they are the quanta of gravitational waves, it is a beautiful paper but it is an assumption, no proof in this paper about what is the quantum gravitation and about the unification of the GR and the QM, the massless helicity is not the problem, the photons are massless also and they oscillate , and thew quantum phases are not the proofs , and also what they consider like foundamental objects in this reasoning, points or strings , branes and why ?

Steve Agnew told that there is no reason to go beyond the actual standard model and beyond this GR , it is also an assumption, maybe not or maybe yes we go farer, it d be odd for me to consider only these phiotons like the primordial essence, we cannot affirm these things with our limitations in knowledges, even einstein recognised this, he said that there is probably a deeper logic to superimpose, so the problem of the majority of thinkers is to consider only this GR and these photons, that is why I insist on the fact they are a prison, but it is just my opinion, I don t affirm, I just extrapolate and have assumptions, it is not prohebited to try to go deeper like it is not prohebited to try to unify just this GR and this QM,

John, Steve, Like I am not only focused on my own works, I discussed on face with the Team of Klee Irwin of the quantum gravity research , Lisi, Ray Ascheem, Davide Chester, Fang Fang and others work in this team and they are focused mainly on this E8 and they recognise that it is not sufficient and they consider algebras beyond this E8, the E8 for them does not describe fully the 3 generations and they focused on the problem of Distler and Garibaldi , Witten also helps in this road to converge with the branes , strings. I love Connes and I study his works in details but for them Connes has forgotten the non associativity and they consider this in the E8 , they like my spheres and told me that thje membranes and spheres indeed could converge, but it is not easy to find the real universal puzzle with these 3 main spacetimes superimposed . I beleive that you could love their ideas and algebras added to this E8, regards

Here is my equation improved hypothetical considering the 3 main spacetimes and the transformations energy matters, it is intuitive , we considered just the relativity so we had E=mc^2, but if this quantum gravitation, anti matter and cold dark matter are correlated so we have a deeper logic, and we can add their linear velocity more a parameter correlated with the cold Xl^2 and if we consider the Dark energy like an anti gravitational push, spherical and that we consider it like the main codes for the vacuum energetical, so we can add Y to have still more energy, that implies so this equation intuitive, E=m(c^2+Xl^2)+Y , we have more energy that we thought simply , of course it is intuitive and we must find these parameters but it is maybe on the good road. If this equation is correct , it is revolutionary but we must prove of course and find the roads to check it.

Gravitation is shown to be an emergent classical phenomenon. https://arxiv.org/abs/2009.05574

How is the gravitation described as a gauge group OUTSIDE U(1)? Does it mean the graviton contains it all? How is the noise separated?

Ulla.