Quantum Physics and the End of Reality by Sabine Hossenfelder and Carlo Rovelli

Robert McEachern
i don't know personally how to apply it in understanding existence and experience, though it is widely useful for technology. TV, computer , phone outputs are all products output by devices after transmission, so is the numerical bank balance. . A small part of what happens. I know there are DNA repair mechanisms. There's a lot i don't known i admit,

Georgina Woodward

There's a lot i don't known i admit

So why not also admit, at least to yourself, that you might profit from learning from the best, like Shannon, rather than continuing to bumble around in the dark, looking for a way to escape, from a maze with no apparent exit?

Robert McEachern
Finding explanations that work for me and that i can understand is what I do. Imagery experienced via TV ,computer or phone will be a self generated image, of a reconstructed semblance from transmitted data that was obtained from a relative semblance produced by a device, such as a camera, using data /stimuli transmitted from the source absolute material reality.

Georgina Woodward

Finding explanations that work for me and that i can understand is what I do.

It does not follow, that what "work for you", has anything to do with what is "working in reality."

Robert McEachern
Yes-nevertheless.

Georgina Woodward
I find it interesting and pleasing how the pieces 'slot together' to give an explanatory framework, without paradox or accepting illusion as real as in current mainstream physics

One of a generated pair of photon particles is sent to Alice. She uses some apparatus set to a certain orientation to detect it. Bob selects the same orientation of apparatus. by doing so they have chosen the same relative 'seen this way' reference frame. This reveals the relationship of the particle pair at creation of the pair that is retained until interaction disturbs it. At measurement the resulting outcome is newly formed but not the particle pair. The particles pre-exist the measurement. The problem is with the theory assuming that the pair are randomly appearing individually at measurement ,and therefore need to co-ordinate their measured states. The fact that things can exist before measurement and choosing the same reference frame for generating the relative measurement takes care of that.

Georgina Woodward
Prior to observation, or measurement involving orientation of apparatus, there can not be a definite relative outcome state, involving orientation, because the outcome is a relative determination.
That does not mean that the subject under investigation does not have an orientation within the pattern of all currently existing things. Which is different from one singled out and described relation. This is showing the error of both QM and ERP. ERP is wrong for assuming the relative outcome is predetermined before measurement, prior to the choosing of individual viewpoint. QM is wrong for not considering absolute observer independent orientation of the subject, and therefore a pre-measurement relation of orientations of a particle pair.

Belief doesn't belong in science, Georgina. One can't be half rational.

maxwell
Please elaborate your objection.
Excuse the spelling mistakes please.

Georgina Woodward
The cost to science of not accepting that there can be material existence and continuing of it in the absence of sensoy outpiut verificarion, modeling of imature perception, and alowing modelihng of magic illusion appearance rather than facts of their production.

@"Georgina Woodward"#p167789That's not quite right. Imature perception modelling and illusion modelling would have nothiñg rather than multiple imagined outcomes.

Georgina Woodward
Imature perception of a young infant, and deception by illusion are similar in the observer not having a mental model corresponding to a concealed material reality. Superposition is a mental model but not of material reality unsensed.
There is a temporal component to the cat thought experiment that ought to only allows one version of the material cat. Only, the time at which transition from live to dead material cat occurs is not known to the ouside observer , because the reality is concealed. Concealment of material reality is the common ground of imature perception, deception by illusion, and this kind of thought experiment.

Georgina Woodward
Thinking about concealed possibilities;
Possibility, defined by Oxford languages 1. “noun
a thing that may happen or be the case.”
The Schrodinger cat thought experiment showcases the type of situation where a possibility may have been extinguished but this is not known so the now impossible is retained as a possibility, though this is incorrect. Smelling poison fumes escaping the closed box could be used as an indication that the live possibility has been extinguished.

Viewpoint or context ‘seen this way’ measurement protocol yet to be established is a different situation. The possibilities remain vital, only being extinguished when a relative viewpoint or measurement protocol is used to give a new singular observation or measurement outcome.

For a macroscopic object subsequent observation or measurement is still possible, depending on how the experiment is conducted. So to say that other possible outcomes have been extinguished is not necessarily true. It is true where only one outcome can be obtained. Such as in subatomic scale experiments or a destructive measurement protocol. At any scale is used. Application of different viewpoints or different measurements can give different outcomes.
This is relativity, an extraction from the absolute, existing, material template that embodies many possibilities. The ‘many worlds’ of possibility are not in the limited relative outcomes, but preceding them as a material. observation independent, Object reality.

THE OBSERVER AND OBSERVED IN EINSTEINIAN FRAMES OF REFERENCE

According to Special Relativity, experiments are overrated by modern science since the truths revealed by experimentation are necessarily restricted to one frame of reference. Regarding the question of length contraction in Special Relativity - Einstein wrote in 1911 that "It doesn't 'really' exist, in so far as it doesn't exist for a co-moving observer; though it 'really' exists, i.e. in such a way that it could be demonstrated in principle by physical means by a non-comoving observer." (Einstein [1911]. "Zum Ehrenfestschen Paradoxon. Eine Bemerkung zu V. Variĉaks Aufsatz". Physikalische Zeitschrift 12: 509–510) Demonstration "in principle by physical means by a non-comoving observer" is the same meaning as "demonstration by experiments performed by scientists not moving at the speed of light".

Now relate the previous paragraph to this quote - “While an observer stationary with respect to an electric charge will see it as a source of electric field only, a second observer moving relative to the first will see the same charge as a source of both electric and magnetic fields in a way dictated by special relativity.” (Penguin Encyclopedia 2006 - edited by David Crystal - 3rd edition, 2006 - ‘electromagnetism’, p. 443)

So, if a co-moving frame of reference is adopted, we’d need to revise Maxwell’s propagation of electromagnetism by oscillating electric and magnetic fields. In addition to electric-magnetic duality not existing, the unification of all things in space and time (perhaps via quantum gravity) means wave-particle duality would not exist in all frames of reference. It would only exist for a non-comoving observer: it could be demonstrated “… by experiments performed by scientists not moving at the speed of light". * According to this comment, saying light travels is merely convenience, like saying the sun rises and sets when we know Earth is rotating. If we shift our understanding of the universe from one based on experiment to one in which observers and objective reality are united/entangled (one in which we’re in harmony with the universe and therefore co-moving with it), electric-magnetic duality would no longer be perceived. It would then be better to say,
“particles (photons) of light and microwaves etc., that ‘travel’ through space-time would have relatively little movement themselves. It’s the disturbances from the sources of electromagnetism (ripples in space-time called gravitational waves) that travel. A gravitational wave can't travel light years but only the quantum-scale distances between photons and gravitons. These particles then re-transmit the vibrations or disturbances they received, similar to the way an electric impulse travels from one nerve cell to the next. Neurons' electric impulses use chemicals called neurotransmitters - spacetime's gravitational and electromagnetic waves use BITS (the binary digits of 1 and 0) which act as transistors to boost the waves' strength and prevent power loss as the light years are crossed. This agrees with John A. Wheeler's geon - an electromagnetic or gravitational wave which is held together in a confined region by the gravitational attraction of its own field energy. Maxwell's electric and magnetic oscillations would, at least in a comoving frame, "be heId together in a confined (subatomic) region" (since light years can be crossed in the direction of propagation, waves can also exist in macroscopic regions in other directions). If there is little movement of photons and gravitons, the universe could not be expanding (or contracting) but its space and time is static. The Big Bang has impressive points … leading to the idea that it’s a necessary stepping-stone. For example, the Big Bang’s supposed origin from quantum fluctuations is reminiscent of bits switching between 1 and 0.”

Einstein wrote “Do gravitational fields play an essential role in the structure of elementary particles?” (A. Einstein [1919]: “Spielen Gravitationfelder im Aufbau der Elementarteilchen eine Wesentliche Rolle?” [Do gravitational fields play an essential role in the structure of elementary particles?] Sitzungsberichte der Preussischen Akademie der Wissenschaften, [Math. Phys.], 349-356, Berlin) This paper, asking if subatomic particles result from gravitational-electromagnetic (G-EM) interaction, is often dismissed because the discovery of the weak and strong nuclear forces is said to make it out of date. But an Opinions-article (R. Bartlett. “The 5th Dimension and its Implications for the String Theory, Conservation of Energy and Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle” – published October 2023 in the journal “IPI Letters” https://doi.org/10.59973/ipil.29) shows, in sections 3 and 4 (Vector-Tensor-Scalar Geometry), that G-EM interaction can produce the mass and quantum spin of not only the nuclear forces’ bosons but also of the Higgs boson. If looked at from the frame of reference of an observer co-moving with the universe, the weirdness of wave-particle duality vanishes and quantum mechanics becomes as understandable as the macroscopic world (gravitational and electromagnetic waves interact to produce a momentum and pressure which can be interpreted as a particle. The particle never actually exists in more than one place - it only appears that way in the human frame of reference).

rbartlett
The IPI Letters journal, in which your paper appears, states that "At IPI Letters, we believe that information is the fundamental currency of the modern world, playing a pivotal role in shaping our understanding of the universe and enabling technological advancements."

Indeed. But information is, in fact, the fundamental currency of the entire world, not just the modern world. It shapes not only "our understanding of the universe", but the entire, actual Nature of the Universe. As I have noted in my comments given above, and the numerous links given within those comments, the physics world has, unfortunately, never even begun to understand what "Information" even is. The two long-range, inverse-square forces (Gravity and Electromagnetic) being described by the equations of physics, are not "causal powers"; they are merely precise, mathematical descriptions of observed effects. But the detection behavior of "Information", as that word is used in Shannon's Information Theory, is the ultimate, sole cause, for the very emergence of, the phenomenon of "Cause and Effect" itself, in any deterministic sense; the mere existence of "Information" is what enables "cause and effect" itself, to emerge from the chaos of random noise processes, and the "detection" of "Information", is what causes long-range forces to appear, and exhibit "inverse-square law" behaviors.